Davidson East: East Nashville, Inglewood, Madison, Donelson, Hermitage, Old Hickory

[markhollin]

Blue Hills, which I believe is now being called Radius at Donelson  (2, 3, & 4 stories, 140 units) update: Much of it is open now. New traffic signal also placed at entrance.

Looking SE from Lebanon Pike, 1/4 block east of Briley Parkway:

Looking SW from Lebanon Pike, 1/2 block east of Briley Parkway:

Looking west from within complex:

[WebberThomas4]

Sewer Capacity application reveals more details about the proposed redevelopment of 501 Crutcher St. This is the mulch yard that you can see from the interstate. 

550 Unit Condo Development 

Edited September 15, 2021 by WebberThomas4

[markhollin]

^ ^ ^ For those unable to access the link, the 501 Crutcher St. proposal takes up two parcels totaling 6.8 acres just SW of Envision Cayce and will entail 550 condo units.  No word on the height.

 

[WebberThomas4]

New permit for 2300 Riverside Drive. This is for the new building across from Mitchell’s and Village Pub. Construction has been halted for almost a year and a half. 

https://epermits.nashville.gov/#/permit/4038168?page=1&searchText=2300 Riverside dr&searchCode=ADDR&searchType=permit&orderBy=permitNumber DESC

New Single Story Shell Building for future retail and possibility of a single restaurant suite. Note that this project already had a permit approved (#2019050986) for construction of 4-story R-2 Residential. That construction project was stopped (Covid) and the design is being changed to Single Story Retail. If it is reasonable to maintain that permit number, please do. The project will need new plans review because it’s a different use. So, if it needs its own new permit application number, please assign accordingly. POC CENTRIC ARCHITECTURE

[Nashville Cliff]

19 minutes ago, WebberThomas4 said:

New permit for 2300 Riverside Drive. This is for the new building across from Mitchell’s and Village Pub. Construction has been halted for almost a year and a half. 

https://epermits.nashville.gov/#/permit/4038168?page=1&searchText=2300 Riverside dr&searchCode=ADDR&searchType=permit&orderBy=permitNumber DESC

New Single Story Shell Building for future retail and possibility of a single restaurant suite. Note that this project already had a permit approved (#2019050986) for construction of 4-story R-2 Residential. That construction project was stopped (Covid) and the design is being changed to Single Story Retail. If it is reasonable to maintain that permit number, please do. The project will need new plans review because it’s a different use. So, if it needs its own new permit application number, please assign accordingly. POC CENTRIC ARCHITECTURE

So, in the face of considerable neighborhood pushback, the developer tore down single story retail to build 4-story residential, let the the site sit vacant for 18 months, and are now want to build . . . single story retail. And people wonder why Nashvillians sometimes grow weary of developers.

Edited September 15, 2021 by Nashville Cliff
fixed a typo

[andywildman]

18 minutes ago, WebberThomas4 said:

New permit for 2300 Riverside Drive. This is for the new building across from Mitchell’s and Village Pub. Construction has been halted for almost a year and a half. 

https://epermits.nashville.gov/#/permit/4038168?page=1&searchText=2300 Riverside dr&searchCode=ADDR&searchType=permit&orderBy=permitNumber DESC

New Single Story Shell Building for future retail and possibility of a single restaurant suite. Note that this project already had a permit approved (#2019050986) for construction of 4-story R-2 Residential. That construction project was stopped (Covid) and the design is being changed to Single Story Retail. If it is reasonable to maintain that permit number, please do. The project will need new plans review because it’s a different use. So, if it needs its own new permit application number, please assign accordingly. POC CENTRIC ARCHITECTURE

Good to see this get moving again.

I'm likely in the minority, but I've got conflicted feelings here - I'm sad to see it go to single story, but I'm thrilled to not have to deal with dozens of STRs just down the street.

That corner is prime for two- or three-story mixed use with long-term rentals or condos.

[DJIII]

56 minutes ago, Nashville Cliff said:

So, in the face of considerable neighborhood pushback, the developer tore down single story retail to build 4-story residential, let the the site sit vacant for 18 months, and are now want to build . . . single story retail. And people wonder why Nashvillians sometimes grow weary of developers.

To be objective though… how often does this scenario happen? There’s no defending this particular developer. It’s indefensible to leave a prime lot like this for 2-years. Covid is not an excuse. Building continued all over Nashville during Covid. This is my neighborhood. I’m pissed. I supported the developer in the face of what I saw as overly-NIMBYish opposition. But now I’m burnt because they abandoned the lot.

However, this is not a common occurrence & unfair to lump in other developers because of an outlier. Plenty of other reasons (poor materials, uncreative design, cheap flips, etc) to hate on developers. But this situation is kind of a one-off IMO.

[nashvylle]

1 hour ago, markhollin said:

^ ^ ^ For those unable to access the link, the 501 Crutcher St. proposal takes up two parcels totaling 6.8 acres just SW of Envision Cayce and will entail 550 condo units.  No word on the height.

@markhollin is that a typo, or truly 550 condos? At 6.8 acres, and assuming each condo is roughly 1,200 SF, that would envision roughly 3-story building encompassing the entire site, or a structure getting taller if not all of the site is not used for condos. 

[smeagolsfree]

Not a typo. The docs speak for themselves in cases like these. I went back to look at the original app and it says 550 as well.

[smeagolsfree]

My question is why is he using the old rates. The water rate is now 1375.00 and the sewer rate is 2300.00 GPD. I thinkith someone madeith a mistake. The rate he used was 350 GPD. I am not sure what the old sewer rate was, but either way when this is reviewed he will be in for sticker shock when the real numbers are thrown out.

By my calculations, the number would be astronomical so I think his flow is off. It looks as if he did this himself without the help of an engineering firm which does not look good on his part.

[PruneTracy]

2 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

My question is why is he using the old rates. The water rate is now 1375.00 and the sewer rate is 2300.00 GPD. I thinkith someone madeith a mistake. The rate he used was 350 GPD. I am not sure what the old sewer rate was, but either way when this is reviewed he will be in for sticker shock when the real numbers are thrown out.

By my calculations, the number would be astronomical so I think his flow is off. It looks as if he did this himself without the help of an engineering firm which does not look good on his part.

It looks like he confused the unit Metro is using to assess fees (1 unit = 350 GPD) with the amount of water/sewer needed for one condo unit. We were typically assuming 150 GPD per unit for condos and that is water usage, not sewer (sewer flow should be less due to irrigation flow, etc.).

The numbers on the application match what the fee schedule worksheet spits out for 550 units of flow (minus existing flow) but using the above assumption one unit of flow would cover two condo units and change. A 550-unit condo development should only need 82,500 GPD so the combined 100% fees should be $845,250.

So bottom line if he needs an engineer there's my application and I'll take only half of the difference between those two numbers for payment.

[smeagolsfree]

I knew there was something screwy with the numbers and they were really low per the number of units and what I have seen for other developments of smaller sizes in the past.

Even the 845,250 is low from what I have seen as numbers I have seen for smaller developments are well over a million for the 100% fee.

I will see if I can find an example.

[smeagolsfree]

 

This is one from up on Dickerson Pike with a similar number.   Just saying it was off….Also just found out Roy Dale & Associates did the work and the numbers are just a place holder and not anywhere close to be the correct amount. They want to do a project but not that number and not necessarily condos. Based on the below numbers the correct water numbers would be 1,265,000.00 and the sewer would be 700,150.00.

WSSCOMCAP

WS Commercial Capacity (1 Unit = 350 Gallons per Day)

573

2,300.00

1,317,900.00

WSWCOMCAPWS Commercial Water Capacity (1 Unit = 350 Gallons per Day)5731,375.00

787,875.00

Fees

[markhollin]

Aloft Hotel on McGavock  Pike (5 stories, 125 rooms) update: some steel starting to rise.

Looking SW from McGavock Pike at Lakeside Drive:

[Nashville Cliff]

21 hours ago, DJIII said:

To be objective though… how often does this scenario happen? There’s no defending this particular developer. It’s indefensible to leave a prime lot like this for 2-years. Covid is not an excuse. Building continued all over Nashville during Covid. This is my neighborhood. I’m pissed. I supported the developer in the face of what I saw as overly-NIMBYish opposition. But now I’m burnt because they abandoned the lot.

However, this is not a common occurrence & unfair to lump in other developers because of an outlier. Plenty of other reasons (poor materials, uncreative design, cheap flips, etc) to hate on developers. But this situation is kind of a one-off IMO.

Good question. It may be that I am keying on the high vis delays like the demolition of the old lodge for Lake Palmer, the demolition of the historic home at the Buddy Killen Roudabout for the Virgin Hotel, and the demolition of the historic buildings in the Gulch for the W.  At least the Virgin and the W eventually progressed. And although WES never happened, we eventually got Broadwest.  I agree that the opposition on the development at McGavock and Riverside was misguided and overwrought, but now they appear vindicated.

[donNdonelson2]

4 hours ago, markhollin said:

Aloft Hotel on McGavock  Pike (5 stories, 125 rooms) update: some steel starting to rise.

Looking SW from McGavock Pike at Lakeside Drive:

This one, too, is moving at a snail’s pace. Delays in delivery of steel, I would imagine.

[geoephemera]

Walked around Donelson Plaza to see what has changed so far. I thought about how this place will function when the new units get built on the west side on Old Lebanon Road near Knobview Drive & the new library gets build on the east side near Old Lebanon Road & JB Estille Drive leading to the commuter rail at Music City STAR Donelson Station. Sidewalks have been constructed in front of the Plaza to Benson Road & JB Estille Drive. One of the signs of change is the new YogaMuttz, the first yoga studio in the area. They were getting ready to host another yoga class in the new courtyard while their commerical space is completed. 

Img 1: Looking east at the new edge of the Plaza across the planned location for new Donelson Library & park walking distance to Donelson Station. 

Img 2: Looking north from the west side of Donelson Plaza where the building is being deconstructed to make room for new residential units. These units will be walking distance to restaurants, bowling, a bookstore, a yoga studio, pubs, pizza, catfish, birria tacos, & commuter rail.

Img 3: Looking southeast from the northwestern corner of 2710 Old Lebanon Road with the massive parking lot in the back on the left and the planned location of the new residential unit in the deconstructed space in the middle.

Img 4: Stairway to Donelson Plaza Courtyard

Img 5: Donelson Plaza Courtyard has an interesting design for a stormwater planter bed. The courtyard is concrete and slopes down, allowing stormwater to be captured in this planter. 

Img 6: Donelson Plaza Courtyard. Initial programming includes yoga classes.

Img 7: North Side of Donelson Plaza Courtyard looking south at the bleacher seating adjacent to the stairs. The sidewalk includes an homage to the past with the floor emblem. Chester's was the initial department store when Donelson Plaza was built in the 1960s. The new Donelson Library will be be located on the left side of the courtyard.

Img 8: Looking west across the deconstructed space of the old department store and (L-R) the planned location of the new Donelson Library, the massive parking lot in the back, and the planned location of residential units near the realigned Cliffdale Road, making the community around Cliffdale, Crestwood, and Benson highly desirable for anyone who wants to take the commuter rail to work.

In closing, people moving to Nashville do not realize we have a commuter rail, especially people I meet from Boston, Chicago, & New York. I have even met a Nashville native that grew up in the suburbs where there were no sidewalks, lived in New York for enough years to develop a walking culture, and then quickly forgot their New York ways when they moved back by dropping their habits of walking everywhere (with transit too). It is a single story, but this person did not believe we had commuter rail despite going to college in Nashville and despite the Music City STAR operating for well over a decade.

I am interested in seeing what will be the tipping point for reverse commutes along the Music City STAR. What type of employers would need to be located here for people to take the train away from downtown? Maybe it won't be every day as remote work has changed transit in ways. And what type of traffic & parking constraints will influence people to give up and take the train out of convenience?

[markhollin]

Something happening on Lebanon Pike just west of Clovernook Dr.

 

[smeagolsfree]

East End UMC on Holly Street to come down as it is too costly to be saved.

[CandyAisles]

1 hour ago, smeagolsfree said:

East End UMC on Holly Street to come down as it is too costly to be saved.

Disappointing but it is not at all surprising.

[markhollin]

1 hour ago, smeagolsfree said:

East End UMC on Holly Street to come down as it is too costly to be saved.

Such a shame.  But it did take a huge hit from the tornado in March of 2020.

 

[markhollin]

Markham Place (2 & 3 stories, 101 townhomes) update:

Looking west from Donelsonwood Drive,  3/4 block south of Stewarts Ferry Pike:

Looking north from Donelsonwood Drive,  3/4 block south of Stewarts Ferry Pike:




Looking south from Lebanon Pike, 1/2 block east of Stewarts Ferry Pike:

[Flatrock]

Here's a good, informative article about East End UMC, and what they're planning. Encouraging that they're planning to sympathetically rebuild the church with congruent design and usage of old, existing materials, such as bricks, stonework and even stained glass.. 

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/east-end-united-methodist-to-be-demolished-and-rebuilt-following-the-march-2020-tornado

From the Newschannel5 article: 

"Every architect and engineer told them the same thing; it would be too costly and dangerous to restore. Instead, they have to completely rebuild. "It was just a sad confirmation of really the damage that’s been done and a reminder of the pain of March 2020," said Rev. Marshall-Kimball.

It will be replaced with a new structure that will have plenty of odes to the old. "As many of the bricks and stonework that we can salvage to make a part of this new building, as possible," the pastor told NewsChannel 5.

That includes a beloved stained glass window called "The Good Shepherd" that was shattered by the storm. "It was the most heavily damaged of all the windows, so there was a lot of fragments of glass but there were still some pieces that could be salvaged," said Rev. Marshall-Kimball.

But with Dennis Harmon as their stained-glass shepherd, they shall not want. "Most of this glass that you see here and that pile over there was on the floor, draped over the pews, shattered," Harmon said. He's President of Emmanuel Studio, a renowned stained glass shop.

Piece by piece, the team at Emmanuel has been able to get the broken remnants of several windows inside the church, back to their former glory, using some of the same techniques used to make the windows 115 years ago. "Painted and fired on the glass, which is a technique that has been the same for nearly 1,000 years," said Harmon.

Harmon and church leaders are still working out how the fully restored window will look, but they know it will somehow pay tribute to the tornado. "You want to have some sort of message in there to tell the viewers, look what I’ve been through," said Harmon"

[smeagolsfree]

Question for Candyaisles or PruneTracy. Any idea who will be doing the architecture for the new church????

[markhollin]

Emery Commons Retail Center update. 

Looking east from Donelson Pike, 1/4 block north of Emery Drive:

Looking NE from intersection of Emery Drive and Donleson Pike: