Davidson East: East Nashville, Inglewood, Madison, Donelson, Hermitage, Old Hickory

[markhollin]

Envision Cayce, Boscobil I (three 4 story buildings, 96 units) update.  Foundational work underway.

Looking north along South 6th St. near intersection with Lenore St:

Looking west from South 6th St. near intersection with Lenore St:

[DJIII]

Thanks for the pictures, Mark.  This is DJ (new guy who came to the last meet-up).  Does anyone know if they're going to redo the street grid at all within the Cayce project to make the blocks smaller?  Looks like the grid was made into 2x-3x-sized blocks in comparison with the surrounding Edgefield area when the project was originally built. 

[markhollin]

Hey, DJ! Welcome to the forum---look forward to you visiting another Meet-Up soon.  Yes--I believe parts of the street grid are being re-engineered in this multi-phase project that will encompass several decades.  

 

[smeagolsfree]

Welcome DJ. BTW, were you at the Metro Council meeting last week? I thought I saw you on the screen.

[markhollin]

Summit Medical Center in Hermitage will add two floors to it's 7 story hospital. Brasfrield & Gorrie will be the contractors. A $15.8 million permit has been granted. 

[AronG]

On 9/8/2018 at 10:07 AM, DJIII said:

Thanks for the pictures, Mark.  This is DJ (new guy who came to the last meet-up).  Does anyone know if they're going to redo the street grid at all within the Cayce project to make the blocks smaller?  Looks like the grid was made into 2x-3x-sized blocks in comparison with the surrounding Edgefield area when the project was originally built. 

Most of what they're doing street grid-wise seems more along the lines of reconnecting the existing grid. Extending Dew St, reworking the big curve on S 8th, etc. Here's one of the maps:

http://www.nashville-mdha.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Cayce-Community-Unit-Planning-Overlay-8-31-17.pdf

 

[bwithers1]

23 hours ago, AronG said:

Most of what they're doing street grid-wise seems more along the lines of reconnecting the existing grid. Extending Dew St, reworking the big curve on S 8th, etc. Here's one of the maps:

http://www.nashville-mdha.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Cayce-Community-Unit-Planning-Overlay-8-31-17.pdf

 

It's not an exact reconstruction of the original street grid (I have uploaded an image from the 1916 Fire map).  But reconnecting Dew Street back as far as 6th Street is part of the plan.  8th will not go through because it will be interrupted by the K-8 Explore! school campus.  The central park is being created where none existed previously.  Some blocks (like Kirkpatrick Park) will have new "private" internal streets in them that will be heavily geared toward pedestrians moreso than cars.  Connectivity and also defensible design are important goals of the plan.

In other Envision Cayce news, the groundbreaking for Boscobel II at the northeast corner of S 6th/Lenore is tentatively scheduled for Thursday, October 6th I believe at 10:30 AM if anyone is interested in attending. 

[markhollin]

1300 Lischey Place (Three 3 story buildings,  16 townhomes, 4 street level retail slots) update.  

https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2018/09/11/east-nashville-douglas-market-google-bulletin/1262055002/

 

[WebberThomas4]

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/article/20980837/developers-eye-mixeduse-building-for-five-points

^ A truck was at this site today doing some drilling / taking samples. I thought this was dead after transit failed, but I would love to see this move forward. 

[DJIII]

On 9/8/2018 at 5:03 PM, smeagolsfree said:

Welcome DJ. BTW, were you at the Metro Council meeting last week? I thought I saw you on the screen.

I was not at the Metro Council meeting.  I have only been to the one urban planning meet-up with Mark around Labor Day.  Is there a schedule of meetings somewhere?  What goes on there?

[DJIII]

On my morning walk I noticed this development of 14 houses going in recently.  It's a cluster of 14 single homes all about 1,500 sq ft and $350k sale price.  On what used to be maybe 3 lots.  Parking in the back off an alley.  I absolutely love it because of 1) increased density/increased tax collections per sq ft, near major road (Gallatin), = good for walkability and transit projects. 2) It's somewhat unique (not just same old 2-tall skinnies on a lot) with all the homes facing the center where kids can play.  Kind of a built-in sense of community. 3) Parking in back out of sight, leaving the front side for humans to walk without fear of cars backing in & out of driveways.

Anyone have anything good or bad to say about the development?  I posted a link to a listing for one of the homes below.

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1125-Chester-Ave-Apt-14_Nashville_TN_37206_M74925-42895?view=qv

[DJIII]

13 hours ago, WebberThomas4 said:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/article/20980837/developers-eye-mixeduse-building-for-five-points

^ A truck was at this site today doing some drilling / taking samples. I thought this was dead after transit failed, but I would love to see this move forward. 

My wife, who does environmental sampling & works with drillers says 'It's a good sign that it may be moving forward, but not necessarily a guarantee of anything. Some sites are sampled for years (or decades) before any development takes place' .

[markhollin]

Six.O.Nine will be a 120 unit condo complex featuring three 4 story buildings on 3.6 acres at 609 Creative Way in Madison (neat the I-65/Briley Parkway interchange).  Site work has already begun.  The first phase should be done by late 2019.

More behind the NBJ paywall here:
 

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2018/09/12/first-look-in-madison-developers-pursue-condos.html

 

[Mr_Bond]

50 minutes ago, DJIII said:

I was not at the Metro Council meeting.  I have only been to the one urban planning meet-up with Mark around Labor Day.  Is there a schedule of meetings somewhere?  What goes on there?

There's a thread for the Meet-Up.  Link is above.

[grilled_cheese]

31 minutes ago, markhollin said:

Six.O.Nine will be a 120 unit condo complex featuring three 4 story buildings on 3.6 acres at 609 Creative Way in Madison (neat the I-65/Briley Parkway interchange).  Site work has already begun.  The first phase should be done by late 2019.

More behind the NBJ paywall here:
 

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2018/09/12/first-look-in-madison-developers-pursue-condos.html

Basically a dorm for Nossi students.  Nice.

[Chris Lee]

1 hour ago, DJIII said:

My wife, who does environmental sampling & works with drillers says 'It's a good sign that it may be moving forward, but not necessarily a guarantee of anything. Some sites are sampled for years (or decades) before any development takes place' .

 

15 hours ago, WebberThomas4 said:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/article/20980837/developers-eye-mixeduse-building-for-five-points

^ A truck was at this site today doing some drilling / taking samples. I thought this was dead after transit failed, but I would love to see this move forward. 

 

[AronG]

2 hours ago, DJIII said:

On my morning walk I noticed this development of 14 houses going in recently.  It's a cluster of 14 single homes all about 1,500 sq ft and $350k sale price.  On what used to be maybe 3 lots.  Parking in the back off an alley.  I absolutely love it because of 1) increased density/increased tax collections per sq ft, near major road (Gallatin), = good for walkability and transit projects. 2) It's somewhat unique (not just same old 2-tall skinnies on a lot) with all the homes facing the center where kids can play.  Kind of a built-in sense of community. 3) Parking in back out of sight, leaving the front side for humans to walk without fear of cars backing in & out of driveways.

Anyone have anything good or bad to say about the development?  I posted a link to a listing for one of the homes below.

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1125-Chester-Ave-Apt-14_Nashville_TN_37206_M74925-42895?view=qv

Agree 1000%. Instead of fighting increased density we should be embracing the good kinds of community-friendly density. I hear a lot about "neighborhood character". To me stuff like this has, if anything, more of it than our existing forms. With house prices being what they are we should blanket update zoning everywhere within about 3 miles of downtown to enable these.

[smeagolsfree]

5 hours ago, DJIII said:

I was not at the Metro Council meeting.  I have only been to the one urban planning meet-up with Mark around Labor Day.  Is there a schedule of meetings somewhere?  What goes on there?

The meets are posted under the pinned thread as The Dave Luna Meetup. We will have another one the first Saturday in October at Woolworths on Fifth.

[markhollin]

Envision Cayce, Phase II (94 townhomes in multiple 2 and 3 story structures) update.

Looking south along Sevier St. from intersection with Sylvan St:

Looking east along Sylvan St. from intersection with Sevier St:

Looking east along Sylvan St. from intersection with South 8th St:

Looking south along South 8th St., from intersection with Sylvan St:

 

Looking east from South 8th St., 1/2 block south of Sylvan St:




Looking south from Sylvan St., 1/2 block east of South 8th St:

[WebberThomas4]

https://www.nashville.gov/Metro-Clerk/Legislative/Ordinances/Details/7fe23b43-b0ae-4370-9eef-e31f52191e8b/2015-2019/BL2017-682.aspx

It appears that the Hill Center Greenwood (my phone autocorrected to Hillbilly Avenger) SP has been placed on the October 2nd Metro Council Agenda. 

Is it true, @bwithers1?

[bwithers1]

31 minutes ago, WebberThomas4 said:

https://www.nashville.gov/Metro-Clerk/Legislative/Ordinances/Details/7fe23b43-b0ae-4370-9eef-e31f52191e8b/2015-2019/BL2017-682.aspx

It appears that the Hill Center Greenwood (my phone autocorrected to Hillbilly Avenger) SP has been placed on the October 2nd Metro Council Agenda. 

Is it true, @bwithers1?

Yes, this is correct.  H.G. Hill Realty asked me to place the item back on the Metro Council agenda.  Due to Council rules (pertaining to the fact that the item had been deferred indefinitely for greater than 90 days) the item will be placed on the October 2nd agenda and then deferred by rule for one more meeting until the October 16th meeting agenda for third and final vote.  The site plan has changed slightly as the grocery store building is slightly larger and so some parking lot details had to be reconfigured.  The apartment buildings along Greenwood and Sharpe have been replaced by a smaller number of town homes.  The restaurant store at the corner of Sharpe will have a drive-through window service.  The site plan should be updated in time for the October 2nd meeting. 

I have no information to share about potential tenants:  I would have to refer those calls to H.G. Hill Realty.  My general understanding is that some site work could begin during Q4 of this year.

Edited September 13, 2018 by bwithers1

[AronG]

28 minutes ago, bwithers1 said:

Yes, this is correct.  H.G. Hill Realty asked me to place the item back on the Metro Council agenda.  Due to Council rules (pertaining to the fact that the item had been deferred indefinitely for greater than 90 days) the item will be placed on the October 2nd agenda and then deferred by rule for one more meeting until the October 16th meeting agenda for third and final vote.  The site plan has changed slightly as the grocery store building is slightly larger and so some parking lot details had to be reconfigured.  The apartment buildings along Greenwood and Sharpe have been replaced by a smaller number of town homes.  The restaurant store at the corner of Sharpe will have a drive-through window service.  The site plan should be updated in time for the October 2nd meeting. 

I have no information to share about potential tenants:  I would have to refer those calls to H.G. Hill Realty.  My general understanding is that some site work could begin during Q4 of this year.

Thanks for the update. Disappointing to hear that they're reconfiguring it to be more focused on car traffic instead of trying to address the neighborhood.

If you're feeling charitable do you know anything about the sheriff's office redevelopment on 5th and/or the project that was being considered on the car lot at 5 points?

Thanks for your efforts!

[bwithers1]

4 hours ago, AronG said:

Thanks for the update. Disappointing to hear that they're reconfiguring it to be more focused on car traffic instead of trying to address the neighborhood.

If you're feeling charitable do you know anything about the sheriff's office redevelopment on 5th and/or the project that was being considered on the car lot at 5 points?

Thanks for your efforts!

Yes, the current site on the Eastwood side of Gallatin is also suburban-style strip center, albeit a possibly historic one (and the much-loved Cizar's was a former gas station not too long ago).  But the redesigned site plan will be a little bit more suburban than what had originally been proposed for the Hill Center Greenwood.  Not moreso than Kroger or the Aldi, though.  But nevertheless, I will count the opportunity to remove another billboard from the Gallatin streetscape as a victory.  And gaining a new signalized crosswalk across Gallatin will be an improvement to the pedestrian safety environment.   

I spoke with Sheriff Hall recently and there are some complications with constructing the new HQ on South 5th Street.  The boundary between the proposed DCSO HQ and the remaining Public Works facilities is not a straight line.  There would be a need to remove a fuel pump that Public Works uses for their fleet.  And the HQ building may need more space which could require the demolition of a Public Works office building that is currently occupied.  Public Works may not end up moving up to the convenience center off of Trinity any time soon or at all, depending on budgets and other logistics.  So there are a lot of moving parts.  The HQ building needs parking and access to the interstate, which this site provides, and this is a better location than the downtown site would be.  But there are some complicating factors that are leading to construction delays.  The user has some highly specific design and functionality needs.  My understanding is the DCSO will need to extend the lease at the Due West Towers while some of these logistics get sorted out.

I have no new information about the car lot at Main/Forrest in Five Points.  The fact that it has not been leased to a parking management company suggests to me that something is being considered in the relatively near term.  But we will have to see. 

There are a couple of properties in Five Points that are being looked at for redevelopment but the parcels are too small to make the numbers work, and so in order to make projects viable someone would need to purchase adjoining parcels and combine them.  The small size or the shallowness of parcels in Five Points and along Main Street are hindrances to large-scale development in some cases.  There are also some underground utility easement issues for some of those parcels.  The Fieldhouse Jones boutique hotel project had to be designed around some underground utilities and I worked with the property developer to seek variances in order to keep that project moving forward. These are some of the reasons why there are so many adaptive reuses of existing buildings (even the Mrs. Winner's building at Gallatin/Ordway):  the parcel sizes (or the buildable portion of the parcels) are too small to make larger-scale development work.

Speaking of adaptive reuses, the owner of the 927 Woodland building (at McFerrin) is looking at converting that existing warehouse building into a mixed-use building, but even in that case we are working through some of the variances that would be needed to meet Code.

I am also glad to see that BoomBozz is finally nearing an opening in the former church building at 10th/Russell.  That has been in the works for a long time and it was supposed to open last year but got delayed.  There certainly is no shortage of pizza in the Five Points area (including Italia at 16th).  Or sports bars.  But I have heard from many families in East Nashville hat they are looking for restaurants with play areas where they can bring the kids, and so BoomBozz will fill a bit of a niche when it opens. 

Edited September 13, 2018 by bwithers1

[Nashville Cliff]

14 hours ago, bwithers1 said:

But the redesigned site plan will be a little bit more suburban than what had originally been proposed for the Hill Center Greenwood.  Not moreso than Kroger or the Aldi, though.  

And not the bill of goods HG Hill sold the surrounding neighbors during their dog and pony show.  Micro apartments to provide affordable housing?  Gone.  Parking and outbuildings that at least make an effort to address the urban fabric?  I'll have to see the new SP, but sounds like that's gone as well.  Another drive-thru?  Good grief.  Yes, it will almost certainly be an improvement over the current, giant parking lot, but sounds like another missed opportunity.  I don't think we can say that it not being worse than the current suburban big-boxes down the road is somehow a win.  Maybe the final plan will change my mind.

[WebberThomas4]

I will say that the change in parking configuration is probably more of a requirement from the grocery operator - which I still believe is no longer Sprouts - than HG Hill purposefully making it more suburban or car centric.

I’ll wait for the final plan to be released before commenting more on the layout, but overall I think this is a big deal for East Nashville.