Davidson East: East Nashville, Inglewood, Madison, Donelson, Hermitage, Old Hickory

[grilled_cheese]

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[DJIII]

10 hours ago, TnNative said:

So does anyone know if the new development at Riverside Village will even have a commercial/retail component? I would hate it if it was only residential. Going to miss the Fond Object building (and also the affordable/kid friendly shows they had in the back area) although not the rest of the brick o block structures.  I was all for the proposed development that was shot down by the NIMBY's without a cause. 

I think the actual plans are being kept close to the vest.  I will keep checking, but I haven't seen any plans yet.  Logic would indicate that it would have commercial in the bottom floor.  I keep thinking of the building on Fatherland that houses Far East Vietnamese (pictured below).  But that is just my educated guess.

[CandyAisles]

13 hours ago, DJIII said:

I think the actual plans are being kept close to the vest.  I will keep checking, but I haven't seen any plans yet.  Logic would indicate that it would have commercial in the bottom floor.  I keep thinking of the building on Fatherland that houses Far East Vietnamese (pictured below).  But that is just my educated guess.

Far East is across the street from 37206 Building.  Financing for condominium projects get super complicated when the commercial usage is above 25% of the project.

[Baronakim]

On 4/4/2019 at 12:09 PM, AronG said:

 

5 points has to be one of the most preposterously mismanaged areas in Nashville when it comes to development. 

 

I somewhat disagree.  I nominate Gallatin Pike from the railroad overpass in Inglewood to Old Hickory Blvd in Madison.  In 50 years, the only significant changes there was demolition of the Inglewood Theatre, the Jim Reeves estate and the Isaac Litton High School.   For the most part, these were the only suitable noteworthy structures for any hope of reuse.   Most of what remained is junk and what was built is junk.   A time traveler from 50 years ago would scarcely notice changes in the streetscape other than a marked increase in abandoned stores and businesses.  Is there any hope of redemption for this major artery's future?  Even Dickerson Pike has seen reasonable development and it was ALWAYS Nashville's notorious stepchild.

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[donNdonelson2]

I appreciate that this couple has taken a long closed eight screen cineplex and created a unique blend of businesses that has become a “cult hit” in Hermitage! I was aware of it, but it was totally NOT on my radar-now it’s on my “must do” list. (Must do the movies, not the tattoos!) 

https://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/2019/04/05/full-moon-cineplex-dinner-horror-movie-nashville/3275759002/

Edited April 7, 2019 by donNdonelson2
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[Baronakim]

I was wondering about possible uses of the East bank brownfield scrap metal yards between the bridges.   I know we have had several design studies for the East bank, but it has been some number of years since the last ones.   A fair number of proposals was a park/ wetland usage, but I professionally feel that the necessary excavation of the contaminated earth would be prohibitively costly unless financed by deep pockets (i.e. the Feds). In my estimation, the most practical solution would be to utilize the deep excavation for an underground garage, whether this would possibly replace the vast asphalt lots for the stadium or some other use that could handle periodic flooding with minimal damage.   Excavation of a huge area and refilling it with earth is not cost effective.  3 or 4 thousand parking spaces could probably only require 2 levels or so underground.  I would love to see the lots around Nissan Field freed up and developed with restaurants and lodging or apartments/ condos.   Another daydream I have is that Tennessee would finally join this century and change its' constitution to allow casino gambling as other nearby states have.  Can y'all envision 2 or 3 30+ story casino hotels built over a shared parking plaza, the top parking floors of which could stay above any flood level anticipated.  How the money would roll in!

[donNdonelson2]

Casino gaming is constitutionally prohibited in TN.

[Baronakim]

Yes, I know.  That is why I stated that I would like for Tennessee to change it as other states have it in my post... a constitutional change is not impossible. You should have been around when Nashville got booze by the drink back in the sixies.  Legalizing gambling is just a final step in a long journey.  There is a process to change the state constitution.

[Bos2Nash]

Sorry for the crummy photos, but I was in the Eastland Kroger the other day and they had this new banner hanging over the registers. Quite the expansion and reorganization indeed!

By the looks of this floor plan the planned coffee shop (is it still Starbucks?) appears to be going in the bottom left of the plan in the seating area or the grayed out portion between the Clicklist and the Checkstands

[WebberThomas4]

The renovation will be nice, but I really hope they take a look at their store operations as a whole. I was there before the Sunday rush yesterday and noticed two things: there were no carts or baskets (most were scattered throughout the parking lot) and nearly every department was understocked or missing items. 

[bigeasy]

41 minutes ago, WebberThomas4 said:

I was there before the Sunday rush yesterday and noticed two things: there were no carts or baskets (most were scattered throughout the parking lot) and nearly every department was understocked or missing items. 

I have always wondered why people will not grab a cart in the parking lot when they are walking in.

Edited April 8, 2019 by bigeasy

[Rockatansky]

While I hold no philosophical opposition to legalized casino gambling, casinos are a terrible economic development tool and a drain on local communities. No thanks.

[Bos2Nash]

2 hours ago, WebberThomas4 said:

The renovation will be nice, but I really hope they take a look at their store operations as a whole. I was there before the Sunday rush yesterday and noticed two things: there were no carts or baskets (most were scattered throughout the parking lot) and nearly every department was understocked or missing items. 

Agree whole heartedly! I avoid Kroger for the most part. I shop almost exclusively at Aldi now, and was only there for a couple essentials. The most irritating thing about this Kroger is the fact that the deli seemingly has different hours than the rest of the store and it is infuriating!!

[Bos2Nash]

16 hours ago, Baronakim said:

I was wondering about possible uses of the East bank brownfield scrap metal yards between the bridges.   I know we have had several design studies for the East bank, but it has been some number of years since the last ones.   A fair number of proposals was a park/ wetland usage, but I professionally feel that the necessary excavation of the contaminated earth would be prohibitively costly unless financed by deep pockets (i.e. the Feds). In my estimation, the most practical solution would be to utilize the deep excavation for an underground garage, whether this would possibly replace the vast asphalt lots for the stadium or some other use that could handle periodic flooding with minimal damage.   Excavation of a huge area and refilling it with earth is not cost effective.  3 or 4 thousand parking spaces could probably only require 2 levels or so underground.  I would love to see the lots around Nissan Field freed up and developed with restaurants and lodging or apartments/ condos.   Another daydream I have is that Tennessee would finally join this century and change its' constitution to allow casino gambling as other nearby states have.  Can y'all envision 2 or 3 30+ story casino hotels built over a shared parking plaza, the top parking floors of which could stay above any flood level anticipated.  How the money would roll in!

5 minutes ago, Rockatansky said:

While I hold no philosophical opposition to legalized casino gambling, casinos are a terrible economic development tool and a drain on local communities. No thanks.

I do not like casinos personally, but depending on the owner/development/design they can be very lucrative. Do I think the PSC site or parking lots around Nissan are good for it, not exactly, but I see the argument being made and understand the lucrativeness of those businesses. Boston is finishing up their Encore (Wynn) resort and the casino is investing a large amount of money into upgrades for the MBTA to reduce headways and get more people on the train. Deep pocket investments outside the federal government has the potential to do great things for the city.

Furthermore, casinos have this connotation of being crime ridden, dirty and bad for the economy when really they can be quite the opposite. When you place these structures in urban settings, you see a tremendous difference from the casinos in the middle of nowhere. We already have a PD that is capable of dealing with petty crimes that occur and with investment packages coming from casinos they can add more money into the PD budgets. From a design standpoint, they have the potential to be skyline altering due to the fact that hospitality design tends to have higher budgets than traditional projects. The ROI on casinos can be spread out a bit more due to the continued stream of revenue that is always moving through it. All that being said, I would want Wynn Resorts to stay far away from Nashville as their buildings all look the same and are quite tacky (in my opinion). If the constitution of the state ever changed, I wonder if MGM would be interested as they are already investing in a hotel at Nashville Yards.

 

[FatherLand]

29 minutes ago, Bos2Nash said:

I do not like casinos personally, but depending on the owner/development/design they can be very lucrative. Do I think the PSC site or parking lots around Nissan are good for it, not exactly, but I see the argument being made and understand the lucrativeness of those businesses. Boston is finishing up their Encore (Wynn) resort and the casino is investing a large amount of money into upgrades for the MBTA to reduce headways and get more people on the train. Deep pocket investments outside the federal government has the potential to do great things for the city.

Furthermore, casinos have this connotation of being crime ridden, dirty and bad for the economy when really they can be quite the opposite. When you place these structures in urban settings, you see a tremendous difference from the casinos in the middle of nowhere. We already have a PD that is capable of dealing with petty crimes that occur and with investment packages coming from casinos they can add more money into the PD budgets. From a design standpoint, they have the potential to be skyline altering due to the fact that hospitality design tends to have higher budgets than traditional projects. The ROI on casinos can be spread out a bit more due to the continued stream of revenue that is always moving through it. All that being said, I would want Wynn Resorts to stay far away from Nashville as their buildings all look the same and are quite tacky (in my opinion). If the constitution of the state ever changed, I wonder if MGM would be interested as they are already investing in a hotel at Nashville Yards.

 

I had always personally thought the Cool Springs area would be the perfect location for a very nice, upscale and classy casino development

[WebberThomas4]

The former Inglewood bowling alley near Hart Lane is being demolished. 

[grilled_cheese]

2 minutes ago, WebberThomas4 said:

The former Inglewood bowling alley near Hart Lane is being demolished.  

I remember when whichever dev bought that, several years ago.  What would be a good fit there?  What do we need?

Shopping at the Inglewood Kroger can be an unpleasant experience. 

[DJIII]

Re: old bowling alley, my guess would be a big apartment complex like the ones you see on Trinity.  It is zoned CL: 

• CL, CL-A* (Commercial Limited, intended for retail, consumer service, financial, restaurant, and office uses)

But there is still significant demand for housing in EN, so you could easily imagine there being a housing component (or 100% housing).  And it's kind of on an island so I don't think you'd have too much community push-back regardless of what they try to put there.

If we're playing 'Fantasy Developer', I'll go with a  mixed use with some micro homes / variety of different sized apartments with a nice green space in the middle.  And 5 or 6 small business spaces.  Ice cream, clothing, dry cleaner, yoga, indian food, small bodega market, bagel / coffee shop, bank... We can dream!

[Baronakim]

2 hours ago, WebberThomas4 said:

The former Inglewood bowling alley near Hart Lane is being demolished. 

About time.   It's been abandoned and rotting for over 20 years.   I wish the could tear down the derelict drugstore as well and have a well planned development all the way to Gallatin Pike.

[TnNative]

2 hours ago, grilled_cheese said:

I remember when whichever dev bought that, several years ago.  What would be a good fit there?  What do we need?

Shopping at the Inglewood Kroger can be an unpleasant experience. 

I have lived in East Nashville/Inglewood for almost 13 years and have never had an issue at Inglewood Kroger. Do I wish they had a few more amenities? Sure, but I'm still happy they added fresh sushi, lol. I have also had very few issues at Eastland Kroger and I suspect I would have at almost any grocery store, at least  occasionally.

The worst Nashville Kroger I have ever patronized was...drum roll please... the Belle Meade Kroger. It was a real $hithole back in the day. The meat always smelled in the summer and there was trash everywhere, all the time.

Edited April 9, 2019 by TnNative

[WebberThomas4]

Some exterior work is be performed on the old staffing building at 606 Main Street. Anyone have info on this? No permits have been applied for or issued, but the for lease sign is no longer on the building. 

[FatherLand]

13 minutes ago, WebberThomas4 said:

Some exterior work is be performed on the old staffing building at 606 Main Street. Anyone have info on this? No permits have been applied for or issued, but the for lease sign is no longer on the building. 

I also noticed the land to the left of that building was getting some excavation / civil work this week, where the bungalow-style house was a year ago, 

[AronG]

On 4/4/2019 at 11:16 AM, WebberThomas4 said:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/commercial-real-estate/article/21062901/five-pointsarea-site-sells-for-33m

Oldacre McDonald purchases five points lot once eyed for mixed use. This will be interesting to watch because they mainly deal with national chains - https://www.oldacremcdonald.com/netlease.html.

This: https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/article/21063605/victory-hall-project-lands-curb-support says Mark McDonald is "eyeing a mixed-use project" for this site, and that he will team with Mark McGinley via M Cubed Developments. He's not disclosing specific plans yet, but says they are going to "plan and ultimately develop a property that will enhance this vibrant and growing community, while demolishing what has been a true eyesore for years."

Color me relieved. Maybe we'll lose the existing blight and get something more appropriate for the neighborhood within my lifetime after all. What's funny is that 5 points is apparently still in an Opportunity Zone, meaning they get tax cuts and incentives to encourage development in low-income areas. News flash: this area is no longer low-income, or even medium-income. Full renovations in the neighborhood sell for $800K now. The only thing developers need incentives for is to overcome our outdated zoning restrictions and the neighborhood NIMBYs.

Next up maybe somebody will decide to do something with the giant parking lot behind the wine store, between Woodland and Clearview. That gets my award for the next most ridiculously under-utilized space in the area.

[Baronakim]

On 4/7/2019 at 12:15 PM, Baronakim said:

I somewhat disagree.  I nominate Gallatin Pike from the railroad overpass in Inglewood to Old Hickory Blvd in Madison.  In 50 years, the only significant changes there was demolition of the Inglewood Theatre, the Jim Reeves estate and the Isaac Litton High School.   For the most part, these were the only suitable noteworthy structures for any hope of reuse.   Most of what remained is junk and what was built is junk.   A time traveler from 50 years ago would scarcely notice changes in the streetscape other than a marked increase in abandoned stores and businesses.  Is there any hope of redemption for this major artery's future?  Even Dickerson Pike has seen reasonable development and it was ALWAYS Nashville's notorious stepchild.

Thought I would show some of newer Nashvillians what was demolished  on Gallatin Pike.  The Inglewood Theatre was just beyond the railroad overpass and was one of the largest seat theatres in Nashville. It was much the same as the Belle Meade in capacity.  The tower was California redwood so it had not deteriorated much up to its demolition.   Issac Litton High School (I was in the class of 1965)   was one of the most imposing structures along Gallatin Pike.  All that remains is the gymnasium you see to the right in the photo.

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[Bos2Nash]

On 4/10/2019 at 12:38 PM, WebberThomas4 said:

Some exterior work is be performed on the old staffing building at 606 Main Street. Anyone have info on this? No permits have been applied for or issued, but the for lease sign is no longer on the building. 

On 4/10/2019 at 12:53 PM, FatherLand said:

I also noticed the land to the left of that building was getting some excavation / civil work this week, where the bungalow-style house was a year ago, 

The property at 606 Main is owned by Salah Ayesh, which he purchased in 2017 for 1.5 million and the two adjacent properties to the east are owned by Salah Ayesh and a partner (property seemingly transferred from a holding company in 2016). No permits appear to have been pulled to clear the land, but the CBRE leasing sign has now been moved to the side of the building facing east for better visibility. Potentially clearing land for a plat consolidation and development project?