The Yard at Ivanhoe | Mixed-Use [Under Construction]

[popsiclebrandon]

I feel like that is cheaper than The Gallery.

[jack]

920 with $2.19 in rents is a bit aggressive. But stabilization won't happen until 2021 and that is closer to $2.08 today. Still way above market. 

[bulldogger]

Sorry for not having pics, but there finally appears to be some site work at The Yard.

[RedStar25]

I noticed that too. Looks like Telecom/Drainage work. 

[Universe_Explorer]

I run by there quite a bit, they've been doing drainage work by Lake Formosa for awhile, and now seem to be doing site work. They also ripped up the road next to Alden (Philadelphia?) so I guess the realignment will occur

[RedStar25]

Dirt is moving. 

[Boomer136]

Any news on this? I haven't had a reason to go by to see for myself in a while.

[alex]

I walked by last Saturday, but at night so I didn't see much. Looks like they're digging around for utilities. No work on the intersection so far. 

[RedStar25]

Lots of site work. 

[UngaBungalow]

Utility and road re-alignment is the first step before they get gung-ho and build something with height to it. Saw their latest retail layout and it looks kind of funky, with some added spaces towards Lake Formosa that could be really interesting for the neighborhood. 

[RedStar25]

Massive amounts of utility work. 

[spenser1058]

Over on Alden Rd, Bungalow reports a warehouse conversion to a microbrewery if LHPS doesn't complain about it being too close to the poor little rich jocks on their ball fields.

What I like especially is tying their signature brew and other items to the long-ago Joyland water and amusement park along Lake Ivanhoe.

Along with shows at Kemp's Coliseum (Orange and New Hampshire), swimming at the adjoining Aquaseum and bowling at the Bowliseum, that was the place to live the high life and stay cool back before air conditioning hereabouts.

http://bungalower.com/2017/07/25/new-brewery-looking-open-alden-road/

[popsiclebrandon]

I really like the theming of this brewery. Hope it gets approved and makes good beer. With how many amazing beers GBs and Topher have right there you have to really bring it.

[UngaBungalow]

I think this concept would have been even better in the old wooden warehouse they razed on the same property. It was so cool inside. 

[jrs2]

On 7/25/2017 at 4:19 PM, spenser1058 said:

Over on Alden Rd, Bungalow reports a warehouse conversion to a microbrewery if LHPS doesn't complain about it being too close to the poor little rich jocks on their ball fields.

What I like especially is tying their signature brew and other items to the long-ago Joyland water and amusement park along Lake Ivanhoe.

Along with shows at Kemp's Coliseum (Orange and New Hampshire), swimming at the adjoining Aquaseum and bowling at the Bowliseum, that was the place to live the high life and stay cool back before air conditioning hereabouts.

http://bungalower.com/2017/07/25/new-brewery-looking-open-alden-road/

Man.  Are you like not the encyclopedia of stuff or what?  How the...?

Edited July 26, 2017 by jrs2

[spenser1058]

It's mostly a matter of remembering things I did as a kid and my parents and relatives talking about things they did. The built environment was always important to me so I soaked that stuff up.

As a volunteer docent at the history center and doing tours with Orlando Remembered, I got to know what people thought of Orlando. No one on my tours ever said much about our buildings were too short but they frequently exclaimed when memorable older buildings were replaced by generic modern structures, "why in the world did anyone think that was an improvement?" Most of the time, they were right. 

Think about it - the old Ivey's downtown is a century old and still a great looking building even though it hasn't been maintained. Compare that with the Ivey's at Colonial Plaza that was torn down before it was even 15 years old. There's nothing memorable about today's disposable buildings.

There's also no sense of place. "Downtown Orange County" has lots of tall buildings and the latest, trendiest ideas. Who'd want to live there and build a community? There's a reason Winter Garden and DeLand are on everyone's list of great towns and Casselberry and Winter Springs are on no one's.

Until the last few years, downtown St. Pete had fewer tall buildings than almost any major city in Florida (the NCNB tower stuck out like a sore thumb.) Strange, then, that everyone is clamoring to move there and most folks have little interest in downtown Tampa.

Coincidentally (or not), the stretch of downtown St. Pete that first attracted attention was lined with old storefronts much like the Woolworth's and McCrory's on Orange Ave.

[spenser1058]

I mentioned the Coliseum in a previous post and here it pops up today in College Park's Community Paper, complete with some pics:

http://www.community-paper.com/2017/08/01/let-the-good-times-roll/

[Jernigan]

Per GS, foundation work to begin on this project in Oct/Nov.  Cited the road realignment and utility work taking much longer than hoped.

 

[prahaboheme]

On 7/26/2017 at 2:01 PM, spenser1058 said:

Until the last few years, downtown St. Pete had fewer tall buildings than almost any major city in Florida (the NCNB tower stuck out like a sore thumb.) Strange, then, that everyone is clamoring to move there and most folks have little interest in downtown Tampa.

Coincidentally (or not), the stretch of downtown St. Pete that first attracted attention was lined with old storefronts much like the Woolworth's and McCrory's on Orange Ave.

Downtown Tampa really got dissected by highways. This is always going to be a negative until they find ways to either eliminate them or focus on major gateways that soften their impact on the streets around them. Tampa has more architectural merit than both St Pete and Orlando combined - Ybor alone is a huge gift to the city of Tampa and yet it's stagnated for decades. Plop that district down in Miami, St Pete, or Orlando and it could be one of the most thriving neighborhoods in the country. Orlando has worked with far less and has succeeded in building a downtown where people want to live  (not just work or party).

But I digress...

Edited August 5, 2017 by prahaboheme

[spenser1058]

1 hour ago, prahaboheme said:

Downtown Tampa really got dissected by highways. This is always going to be a negative until they find ways to either eliminate them or focus on major gateways that soften their impact on the streets around them. Tampa has more architectural merit than both St Pete and Orlando combined - Ybor alone is a huge gift to the city of Tampa and yet it's stagnated for decades. Plop that district down in Miami, St Pete, or Orlando and it could be one of the most thriving neighborhoods in the country. Orlando has worked with far less and has succeeded in building a downtown where people want to live  (not just work or party).

But I digress...

I think you're right and I also am constantly amazed by just how much effort I saw going into our little downtown after it had been ignored when I was growing up.

When I first decided to go on my big adventure in my late teens and early twenties (it was just assumed you had to leave Orlando in those days to see the "real world"), I got involved in politics and ended up living in Jacksonville, Tampa, Atlanta and Nashville. The big department stores downtown and retail generally were just beginning to meet their demise (ironically, in Orlando before those other cities).

The Reagan administration began to make tax credits available for rehabbing old buildings and the whole conservative mindset of the early '80's lent itself to preserving old things. Of course, as the gay rights movement finally made its way to the South, there was a lot of interest in gathering together in gayborhoods in the core.

As I got into all of that and first discovered Jane Jacobs, I looked around and was amazed that each of the four cities I moved to made it difficult to actually get downtown without a car. That was due to expressways and "urban renewal" in some cases and natural boundaries like rivers or railroad "gulches" in others. This being the South, there were also racial issues, of course.

I came back to Orlando for Christmas in 1982 and was fascinated as I walked around Lake Eola as I had done most of my life and noticed how it was so easy to just wander into the old neighborhoods (at least north, east and even to the south going down Summerlin or Rosalind/Delaney.)

At the same time, new mayor Bill Frederick and Jake Stuart were working at the micro level (there wasn't anyone convinced to build big projects downtown yet) and welcomed anyone into the process. That was very different from the other cities, where, for the most part, the downtowns were still the domain of Portmanesque gargantuan entities that eventually failed or weren't especially attractive to anyone who actually lived nearby. 

I immediately jumped on the bandwagon and moved back home and actually got involved with the nitty-gritty of my newly minted urban econ major. It was exciting and fun and I really think that grassroots interaction is why our unimpressive little downtown took off when others languished.

One additional note: in addition to the race issues noted above, it's important to note that Parramore WAS the area cut off from easy access to downtown. It's also the neighborhood they've tried to save with big projects instead of coming back organically. Lo and behold, it's the one that's had the biggest struggle.

 

 

Edited August 6, 2017 by spenser1058

[nite owℓ]

1 hour ago, prahaboheme said:

Downtown Tampa really got dissected by highways. This is always going to be a negative until they find ways to either eliminate them or focus on major gateways that soften their impact on the streets around them. Tampa has more architectural merit than both St Pete and Orlando combined - Ybor alone is a huge gift to the city of Tampa and yet it's stagnated for decades. Plop that district down in Miami, St Pete, or Orlando and it could be one of the most thriving neighborhoods in the country. Orlando has worked with far less and has succeeded in building a downtown where people want to live  (not just work or party).

But I digress...

IMO The Hyde Park historic residential neighborhood is Tampa's saving grace... it's like a mashup of Winter Park and Thornton Park with it's old estates, bungalows and nearby shops - not to mention the bonus of Bayshore Blvd. Miami Beach & Hyde Park were my top FL choices, but I decided to stay in Orlando.

[spenser1058]

I lived in Hyde Park while I was working in Tampa. I really enjoyed it, especially since I was in my high-prep phase and Brooks Brothers was right there in the middle of the block. There was also an AMC theater in walking distance. I ran on Bayshore everyday and worked out at the Y at Fort Brooke. Sadly, reaching downtown was a bit of a bear but UT was close by to party with the college kids.

[jrs2]

On 8/5/2017 at 7:52 PM, prahaboheme said:

Downtown Tampa really got dissected by highways. This is always going to be a negative until they find ways to either eliminate them or focus on major gateways that soften their impact on the streets around them. Tampa has more architectural merit than both St Pete and Orlando combined - Ybor alone is a huge gift to the city of Tampa and yet it's stagnated for decades. Plop that district down in Miami, St Pete, or Orlando and it could be one of the most thriving neighborhoods in the country. Orlando has worked with far less and has succeeded in building a downtown where people want to live  (not just work or party).

But I digress...

Downtown Tampa is a strange bird.  They got a river, a port, a convention center, lots of hotels, Harbor Island, a hospital on Davis Island, UT across the river with it's Putin-esque architecture, tall buildings, some new low rise housing, the NHL arena, etc., etc., and a streetcar to Ibor.  So, it's got a lot of interesting dynamics at play.

Our Orange Avenue & Church Street & Central Ave & Wall Street & Summerlin/Washington Street scenes are for the most part, good and very good.  Those are streets in the heart of downtown too.  Choc full of bars, restaurants, clubs, small stores, galleries, Walgreens, Publix, Ace Cafe, Lake Eola, etc.  We've got a good thing going on that's only getting better.  It's a great asset. 

Once UCF's campus gets going, that will feed the downtown "scene" and help to support more development.

The Yard, I'm hoping, really adds good density on the back side of Antique Row to help solidify that neighborhood even more and being more than just a strip north of downtown.  That's a great asset too for the City. 

You know, with the Lucerne Promenade u/c, that project is creating a bridge to SoDo which is fantastic.  Earthfare.  Wow.  Is there going to be any kind of anchor stores in The Yard?

[HankStrong]

I spent some time in Tampa/St. Pete a couple of weekends ago.  I had forgotten how much more Bithlo it is than Orlando.

[popsiclebrandon]

Tampa has squandered their downtown so bad. Vinik seems to be fixing it but with everything cool going to St Pete instead they have a long way to go.