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Charlotte Park/Sylvan Park/Bellevue/West Nash./Nations

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Hello! Just rediscovering the Urban Planet forums. After the development siesta several years back, I kinda just forgot about it. Anyway, glad to see positive activity and a lot of the old members still involved.

 

Has anyone heard what the status is on the proposed roundabout in Sylvan Park? Last I heard was the plan had been approved, but no word on it actually going forward. As one who sits at that stop light on a regular basis, I'd love to know that it was going to happen. I remember there being issues with some of the commercial tenants (mainly parking), but seems like an agremeent had been reached.

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Welcome back to the forum.

 

I have not heard much talk about the round about for a little while. I think there was an agreement as well.

 

I would bet Nashviet may know.

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correctomundo. yes the roundabout is funded and is currently going through the final site plans/drawings/etc. There was a committee formed at the end of last year amongst residents and retailers on how best to address the issues at Murphy/46th (parking/traffic/pedestrian safety). The revised plan that they came up with is a good one IMHO. (I'll see if I can post it)

 

From what I've heard, construction is slated to begin sometime this summer. Probably take 6-8 months to complete.

 

 

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correctomundo. yes the roundabout is funded and is currently going through the final site plans/drawings/etc. There was a committee formed at the end of last year amongst residents and retailers on how best to address the issues at Murphy/46th (parking/traffic/pedestrian safety). The revised plan that they came up with is a good one IMHO. (I'll see if I can post it)

 

From what I've heard, construction is slated to begin sometime this summer. Probably take 6-8 months to complete.

 

I knew if there was info to be had on this, I would find it within this site. Thanks guys!! 

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I knew if there was info to be had on this, I would find it within this site. Thanks guys!! 

Hwil3 - if you send me a private message with your email, I can send you a copy of the proposed site plan.

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The Tennessean tackles the resurgence of The Nations.

 

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130407/LIFE04/304070057/The-Nations-rise-again

I read that. It's mindblowing how quickly some things are changing. It tells you something about how popular neighborhoods are in the inner city when new houses in The Nations are going for quite a bit more than larger houses in the "suburban" portions of the county. The housing market in the urban hoods seems to be going nova.
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There is also a bit of real estate industry hyperbole here. 

 

51st Avenue becoming the next Hillsboro Road?  That's a bit of a stretch.  I can see it becoming the next Porter Road, which was also a long-forgotten street until it became a retail and restaurant destination recently (old standby of Family Wash, plus Cafe Fundamental, Portobello East and the rest of the retail in Porter East).  

 

Also, I don't know the boundaries for sure, but are businesses on Charlotte truly in The Nations or does the Nations actually start north of I-40?  Would businesses on Charlotte, such as Headquarters Coffee at 4902 Charlotte, actually be in Sylvan Park?  I definitely get that the Stone Fox is in The Nations.

 

Either way, I'm glad that people are moving  to this neighborhood, which definitely has a lot of convenience.  Under $300K on the West Side is a good price point.  But I don't see people getting "priced out of East Nashville" moving out to the Nations for $300K:  Most housing in East Nashville (other than in Edgefield or Lockeland Springs) is in a similar or lower price range to what is quoted in this article. 

I read that. It's mindblowing how quickly some things are changing. It tells you something about how popular neighborhoods are in the inner city when new houses in The Nations are going for quite a bit more than larger houses in the "suburban" portions of the county. The housing market in the urban hoods seems to be going nova.

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From the article: "Kenner’s homes are priced around $239,000, which he said is substantially less than in Sylvan Park and East Nashville."

 

WAT? I live in East Nashville and the houses on my street range between $90-$150k. How is $240k 'substantially less' than $100k?

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I think the columnist is referring to the trendier East Nashville neighborhoods like Lockeland Springs and Edgefield which are pricier than The Nations. I do often wish journalists would be more specific when discussing East Nashville and its neighborhoods since they are all different and in varying stages of gentrification. 

 

Also, I think The Nation technically starts north of I-40, but it is reasonably connected to the commercial strip at Richland Park despite the highway barrier. There are a couple of access points to Charlotte Pike other than 51st.

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I've pretty much stopped paying attention when someone mentions X about "East Nashville." The umbrella term isn't as useful as it once was. You can say pretty much anything involving "East Nashville is ______" and be completely right and wrong in the same sentence. I just assumed like aries that they were referring to the more expensive parts of East Nashville.

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You're right.  West Nashville is no different than East Nashville in that there are substantial price differences among the various neighborhoods in those regions. 

 

I definitely agree that "East Nashville" is a broad term, almost too broad to be useful in most contexts, as are North Nashville, West Nashville or South Nashville I almost wish that people would limit the terms East Nashville, North Nashville, West Nashville, or South Nashville to specifically macro terms, and not try to compare a Neighborhood, which is a micro term, to a macro term somewhere else. It's like North, East, South and West are states and the individual neighborhoods are the counties within those states.  Would you compare a county of one state to another entire state without clarifying the basis for that comparison?

 

My irritation here is reading another Tennessean piece that has good intent but poor execution.  Tennessean writers too often take PR pieces and print them as news.  

 

But I am glad to see The Nations get some notice. And I'm glad that they are using the term, The Nations.  I do know someone who bought an actual (not a new reproduction) Victorian house over there a few years ago and has been restoring it. And I ran into a friend last week who just bought one of the new houses in The Nations and I'm hoping to go over soon and take a look at it, too, and check out The Stone Fox since I haven't been yet. 

 

 

I've pretty much stopped paying attention when someone mentions X about "East Nashville." The umbrella term isn't as useful as it once was. You can say pretty much anything involving "East Nashville is ______" and be completely right and wrong in the same sentence. I just assumed like aries that they were referring to the more expensive parts of East Nashville.

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There are a lot of talented folks doing the best they can at the Tennessean. One explanation for slipups like this is the high turnover in reporting staff. I left about 3 years ago and today there are just a handful of people on the news side who were there when I left. The new blood tends to come from recent college graduates from other states, so the result is a very young reporting corps with little knowledge of Nashville's layout, history or personality. This isn't the reporters' fault; they're just new. Blame the management.

 

It's just another symptom of a bigger problem: Out-of-state ownership = less local investment, knowledge and credibility.

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Richland Station cottage development on 54th in Sylvan Park.  http://nashvillepost.com/news/2013/4/16/cottage_development_proposed_for_sylvan_park

 

Also, there was a proposal before the Planning Commission on the April 25th agenda to approve a resubdivision/rezoning of a property on 46th and Utah a couple of blocks up from the Murphy Road/46th intersection and possible future round-a-bout.  The rezoning would involve the property where Taste of Italy is located.  There would be commercial along 46th to include a restaurant and a small office tenant space with parking in the rear portion, with I think 3 residences at the northern end of the property on Utah.  The residence on the corner of Utah/46th would have a wrap-around-L porch to address both streets.  I haven't seen a rendering. 

 

This is another one where the expansion of commerical into residential areas creates some tension, even along collector streets like 46th.  Former CM Sommers is on record as opposed, arguing that commercial belongs on Charlotte, which is true to an extent.  Again, there is parking in the rear, but some residents expressed concern in the public comments that there are fewer parking spaces than tables.  Some residents fear - and understandably so given how Nashvillians are car addicts - that no matter how much of a "neighborhood" business this will be, that most people will drive rather than walk.  Particularly if the restaurant is successful.  Sad but probably true.  In my recent experience, neighbors are particularly wary of restaurants adjacent to residential because of the amount of parking that can happen at any one time and particularly later in the evenings.  Whereas small office or retail uses require much less parking and typically only operate 9-5 or so.

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Surveyors have been on the roundabout site for the past couple of mornings shooting their measurments. Looks like this is finally getting under way.

 

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I'm interested to see what tenants the Sheds draw. Great location and a funky space. 

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So many new members running around the halls here. I cant keep track of all of you guys. Welcome to the forum to you  RandomHero and also to anyone else I may have missed. I am very happy to see all of the interest you all are showing.

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Rumor has it Porter Rd Butcher bought the old Church's chicken on Charlotte across from Richland Park.

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Thanks for the update. Looks as if the area is doing well and  a lot more to come I hope.

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Porter Road Butcher is opening a location in an old Mrs Winner's building on Charlotte Pike across from Richland Park.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/blog/2013/05/porter-road-butcher-coming-to.html

 

http://www.nashvillescene.com/bites/archives/2013/05/13/porter-road-butcher-to-open-new-shop-on-charlotte-avenue

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This is potentially huge news for the same stretch of Charlotte Pike. The former Charlotte Avenue Church of Christ site has been sold.

 

http://blogs.tennessean.com/business/2013/05/16/former-charlotte-avenue-church-of-christ-site-sold-for-1-8-million/?repeat=w3tc

 

Or maybe a 100 year old church will just be knocked down for a CVS Pharmacy?  Hopefully not.

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