Legacy Union (former Charlotte Observer redevelopment)

[Trickbot]

From East/West today

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, tarwater said:

I thought the 5th largest parking deck thing was a UP joke. Is that really the case??

haha. Nah I was serious when I said they were making that weird flex. There are a ton of bigger decks in the world, at Hospitals, Airports, and Shopping Malls. 

[Dale]

Notable trade-off: opportunity to build a wall around LU1.

[J-Rob]

I would think this pad would lead to strange floor plates for office.   Might that lead to increased height?  Maybe similar to Ally/Tryon Place height?  Hopefully, they include interesting retail at the very least, since it is facing the stadium.  Does anyone know why Honeywell would prefer this pad to the other Mint pad?  Seems like if they had their choice they would go with the other pad (unless there is potential for them to build a "campus" and use both pads over time).

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8 minutes ago, J-Rob said:

I would think this pad would lead to strange floor plates for office.   Might that lead to increased height?  Maybe similar to Ally/Tryon Place height?  Hopefully, they include interesting retail at the very least, since it is facing the stadium.  Does anyone know why Honeywell would prefer this pad to the other Mint pad?  Seems like if they had their choice they would go with the other pad (unless there is potential for them to build a "campus" and use both pads over time).

I dunno why they would go here. I think its a bizarre spot. And believe it or not, after looking at it, you could build at least 25-28k floorplates. Lets say they need 500k sq feet, thats only 17-18 floors on top of 1-2 floors of lobby/retail.

[j-man]

So when will they install those traffic lights at those two intersections? 

[atlrvr]

The poles and masts were up this morning for the Church and Hill intersection.

[KJHburg]

If Legacy turns out to be 2 blocks office towers and maybe a hotel what is wrong with that? I think that means the old Duke building will come down as a residential tower and this also puts a lot more pressure of the low rise Duke deck on Mint.  I could see that being more residential.  Office building mean Jobs and I like more and more jobs uptown.  Thus creating demand for retail, hotels and of course residential.  

[J-Rob]

9 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

If Legacy turns out to be 2 blocks office towers and maybe a hotel what is wrong with that?

The sense I get is that people are hoping for a bit of a gameday entertainment experience, which might be less likely with office, but at least Honeywell isn't a bank.  Banks are boring and put bank branches on the ground floor, but if the site is for Honeywell maybe they actually would be proponents of non-bank retail, which would act as built-in amenities for the employees.  Maybe this still works out the way everyone is hoping from a retail perspective.  You are correct that Duke building and deck offer endless opportunities, but that seems 5 or more years down the road potentially (by the time it is delivered), and LU will be more immediate.

Here's to hoping Honeywell drives interesting architecture, as well as retail more exciting than a bank branch!

Edited March 12, 2019 by J-Rob

[DMann]

Who here believes that something will go up on Mint Street that will block the BOA Logo from being seen inside BOA Stadium?  Who?

[EllAyyDub]

I heard the bee company was very involved in what would be going in the ground floor of their building and wants something that fits their image.  That said the LU location - if true - really surprised me so my info is probably dated.

[CLT2014]

21 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

If Legacy turns out to be 2 blocks office towers and maybe a hotel what is wrong with that? 

Just an office district = ghost town at night. People will pack up, head home, and the streets could be relatively empty by 7PM in this part of Uptown. I think most of us were hoping this could be a true mixed use district between residents, workers, and tourists. By crossing residential off the list, the retail will mainly cater to the 9 to 5 crowd. In addition, people don't like to "shop" in an office park which is why the hope for Uptown retail is moving closer to 0 and South End is know our hope for a good retail district in the inner neighborhoods. 

[Crucial_Infra]

10 minutes ago, DMann said:

Who here believes that something will go up on Mint Street that will block the BOA Logo from being seen inside BOA Stadium?  Who?

No one I hope because it would be virtually impossible to do. 

[CLT2014]

2 minutes ago, EllAyyDub said:

I heard the bee company was very involved in what would be going in the ground floor of their building and wants something that fits their image.

So..... a Panera Bread?

[KJHburg]

I do believe a hotel or two and these plans are still so fluid so I would not count not having any residential totally out.  No one on this board knows their plans because I dont think they do either.  What if  because of so much office development a huge condo or hotel tower combo was announced?  How is this different from the Tryon Place block or the 615 South College blocks?  Both are just office and hotels.   A hotel developer would love to come to Legacy to be close to that many office workers and HQs.  Be patient  like I said knows no one knows the final plan except for Johnny and Johno Harris (and they may not either!)

Edited March 12, 2019 by KJHburg

[pgsinger]

1 minute ago, KJHburg said:

I do believe a hotel or two and these plans are still so fluid so I would not count not having any residential totally out.  No one on this board knows their plans because I dont think they do either.  What if  because of so much office development a huge condo or hotel tower combo was announced?  How is this different from the Tryon Place block or the 615 South College blocks?  Both are just office and hotels.   A hotel developer would love to come to Legacy to be close to that many office workers and HQs.  Be patient no one like I said knows the final plan except for Johnny and Johno Harris (and they may not either!)

Yeah, I agree with needing patience.  The 800 room hotel was proposed with far less office planned (assuming LU 1-3 are all office).  Who knows what will come.  At least we get another development of some sort... 

[Bruco72]

Just now, KJHburg said:

I do believe a hotel or two and these plans are still so fluid so I would not count not having any residential totally out.  No one on this board knows their plans because I dont think they do either.  What if  because of so much office development a huge condo or hotel tower combo was announced?  How is this different from the Tryon Place block or the 615 South College blocks?  Both are just office and hotels.   A hotel developer would love to come to Legacy to be close to that many office workers and HQs.  Be patient no one like I said knows the final plan except for Johnny and Johno Harris (and they may not either!)

Agreed, between 615, Tryon Place, LU1, LU2, LU3, and the new Duke building, that's a massive influx of office workers with a 2-3 block radius.  A residential and hotel component could still make a lot of sense for the remaining pads. You'll also have the new JW a block away to add more people to the sidewalks. Yes, there will be some lunch only type retail, but I'd be stunned if a few solid bar/restaurant weren't part of the mix. 

Oh and you still have the 10 panthers games, other events, and maybe an MLS team down the road. 

I work in the 615 building and trust me, we can't wait until there are a few more happy hour options within a 5 minute walk. 

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44 minutes ago, Crucial_Infra said:

No one I hope because it would be virtually impossible to do. 

They would have to build in section 528 within Bank of America Stadium to block the BofA Logo, which is pretty giantly placed on the scoreboard.

39 minutes ago, pgsinger said:

Yeah, I agree with needing patience.  The 800 room hotel was proposed with far less office planned (assuming LU 1-3 are all office).  Who knows what will come.  At least we get another development of some sort... 

well I know they are leading candidates for Sun Trust, which I understand is looking for more than an ally center worth of space.

[PeytonC]

So maybe Honeywell will attract some quirky retail to go into the first two floors, beside an interactive museum of sorts, displaying the history of their company and gadgets through the decades. A hands-on Honeywell experience. Sometimes dreams do come true...

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27 minutes ago, PeytonC said:

So maybe Honeywell will attract some quirky retail to go into the first two floors, beside an interactive museum of sorts, displaying the history of their company and gadgets through the decades. A hands-on Honeywell experience. Sometimes dreams do come true...

That. Would. Be. RAD

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

6 hours ago, Urban Cowboy said:

Nathan Doolittle has the 3 projects below listed as his featured work:

http://www.landdesign.com/project/uncc-epic/

http://www.landdesign.com/project/uncc-football/

http://www.landdesign.com/project/north-carolina-research-campus/

"Nate Doolittle is a Partner and Civil Engineer. Nate is responsible for leading a number of the firm’s public and private infrastructure and site development projects throughout the Southeast US. Nate has a keen understanding of public/private projects, with a wide variety of expertise in large scale developments to urban infill projects.  He also leads LandDesign’s Higher Education market with experience in educational, athletic, residential, and infrastructure campus work. His valuable experience includes a variety of large-scale mixed-use developments, campus and university work, and urban infill redevelopment that required site assessment, environmentally sustainable design, and innovative infrastructure solutions. Nate thrives in situations where he can help lead and collaborate on innovative and complicated projects, embracing the success of the team strategy and vision.  Nate works to ‘implement the projects vision, not engineer the master plan’."

So a 25 story Brick high rise? 

3 hours ago, CLT2014 said:

Just an office district = ghost town at night. People will pack up, head home, and the streets could be relatively empty by 7PM in this part of Uptown. I think most of us were hoping this could be a true mixed use district between residents, workers, and tourists. By crossing residential off the list, the retail will mainly cater to the 9 to 5 crowd. In addition, people don't like to "shop" in an office park which is why the hope for Uptown retail is moving closer to 0 and South End is know our hope for a good retail district in the inner neighborhoods. 

Well it has to go somewhere, maybe better than being in South End then. 

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Well it has to go somewhere, maybe better than being in South End then. 

Nathan isnt the architect, his name is on a lot of submissions and land design is likely who did the master planning, landscape design and civil drawings. Pretty sure LS3P is handling.

 

 

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[urbanlover568]

8 hours ago, Urban Cowboy said:

Nathan Doolittle has the 3 projects below listed as his featured work:

http://www.landdesign.com/project/uncc-epic/

http://www.landdesign.com/project/uncc-football/

http://www.landdesign.com/project/north-carolina-research-campus/

"Nate Doolittle is a Partner and Civil Engineer. Nate is responsible for leading a number of the firm’s public and private infrastructure and site development projects throughout the Southeast US. Nate has a keen understanding of public/private projects, with a wide variety of expertise in large scale developments to urban infill projects.  He also leads LandDesign’s Higher Education market with experience in educational, athletic, residential, and infrastructure campus work. His valuable experience includes a variety of large-scale mixed-use developments, campus and university work, and urban infill redevelopment that required site assessment, environmentally sustainable design, and innovative infrastructure solutions. Nate thrives in situations where he can help lead and collaborate on innovative and complicated projects, embracing the success of the team strategy and vision.  Nate works to ‘implement the projects vision, not engineer the master plan’."

I was in Epic alot and the building is magnificent. Really excited to see this now!

[KJHburg]

Love it or hate it it makes an impact on the skyline today. 

[Crucial_Infra]

^ BOAT does too.