Legacy Union (former Charlotte Observer redevelopment)

[RANYC]

46 minutes ago, SydneycartonII said:

Is there anyone here with an engineering background who can explain how excavation finished so quickly?  I’m very happy that it has, but I’m surprised how quickly it finished.

I'm sure LH decided to get an early-start on going vertical because the committed tenant has a firm deadline and LH wants to use the extra time from the early start to now make the tower 50-stories instead of 24.

Edited July 7, 2022 by RANYC

[Hushpuppy321]

5 hours ago, SydneycartonII said:

Is there anyone here with an engineering background who can explain how excavation finished so quickly?  I’m very happy that it has, but I’m surprised how quickly it finished.

Just depends on the type of foundation that’s been designed.  If they’re using Drilled Piers or MicroPiles or CF-Auger Piles as foundations there will not be a large amount of Excavation necessary.  These types of foundations can be installed quickly (within 3 to 6 months) and started after only a couple weeks of Initial Site Preparation.  
 

Podium style buildings typically have Steel Reinforced Concrete Parking Substructure which take a good amount of time to construct but once that’s done the Vertical Construction of the remaining Building proceeds a bit faster per floor.  Everything depends on how it’s designed.

[SydneycartonII]

41 minutes ago, Hushpuppy321 said:

Just depends on the type of foundation that’s been designed.  If they’re using Drilled Piers or MicroPiles or CF-Auger Piles as foundations there will not be a large amount of Excavation necessary.  These types of foundations can be installed quickly (within 3 to 6 months) and started after only a couple weeks of Initial Site Preparation.  
 

Podium style buildings typically have Steel Reinforced Concrete Parking Substructure which take a good amount of time to construct but once that’s done the Vertical Construction of the remaining Building proceeds a bit faster per floor.  Everything depends on how it’s designed.

Thanks.

[QCxpat]

Today 11:00 a.m.

Edited July 8, 2022 by QCxpat

[SydneycartonII]

Is that rebar?  Is this already above ground strictly speaking?

 

[KJHburg]

In other rival cities this tower would have been talked about for 2 years renderings released but here we just build.  23 story Legacy 3 or 4 depending on how you count is rising. New home for Robinson Bradshaw worst secret in the Charlotte development world.  Come on Johno released the rendering! 

[SydneycartonII]

I can’t wait to see it next week.

[steve_o]

First pics

 

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/development/article263382658.html

[atlrvr]

On 7/6/2022 at 2:42 PM, KJHburg said:

^^^ Great catch.  The 23 story mystery tower with the 104,000 sq ft anchor of a Robinson Bradshaw law firm one day they will release the rendering officially but in the meantime build on. 

We think the new tower will look just like this and maybe this will be released when it is topped off. 

 

Today is the day for rendering #2.

Blurbs in CO and CBJ.

[Mid South NC]

Exceptionally active worksite today 

[KJHburg]

I am sure it is pure coincidence that Lincoln Harris released their renderings after I publicly called on Johno Harris to release them.  

I think it is a fine looking building and can't wait to see other angles of it.  Glad it is one floor taller too than I thought. 

from the Biz Journal article:

""600 South Tryon, which has been under construction since early spring, will be a 24-story, 415,000-square-foot office building at the corner of South Tryon Street and Brooklyn Village Avenue that will include 20,000 square feet of ground-floor retail and podium parking, as well as conference, coworking and fitness spaces, according to a news release this morning from Lincoln Harris.""

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2022/07/12/lincoln-harris-announces-4th-legacy-union-tower.html

[SydneycartonII]

17 hours ago, KJHburg said:

In other rival cities this tower would have been talked about for 2 years renderings released but here we just build.  23 story Legacy 3 or 4 depending on how you count is rising. New home for Robinson Bradshaw worst secret in the Charlotte development world.  Come on Johno released the rendering! 

 

 

 

 

 

That’s true.  If this project were in downtown Raleigh, it would get coverage on every local television channel.  
 

I think that Charlotte’s sole, true rival right now is Nashville.  Denver and SLC are similarly-sized, dynamic cities, but are too far away to be rivals of Charlotte.

Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston seem to be rivals given their approximate size, which is significantly greater than Charlotte.  However,  Dallas and Houston seem to be well ahead of Atlanta.

The QC is really thriving.

Edited July 12, 2022 by SydneycartonII

[Blue_Devil]

23 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

I am sure it is pure coincidence that Lincoln Harris released their renderings after I publicly called on Johno Harris to release them.  

I think it is a fine looking building and can't wait to see other angles of it.  Glad it is one floor taller too than I thought. 

from the Biz Journal article:

""600 South Tryon, which has been under construction since early spring, will be a 24-story, 415,000-square-foot office building at the corner of South Tryon Street and Brooklyn Village Avenue that will include 20,000 square feet of ground-floor retail and podium parking, as well as conference, coworking and fitness spaces, according to a news release this morning from Lincoln Harris.""

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2022/07/12/lincoln-harris-announces-4th-legacy-union-tower.html

20k retail is huge if it’s all Tryon and Brooklyn facing.

[KJHburg]

does anyone know the exact height of this new Legacy tower?   someone updated Wikipedia and put 318 feet about 30 feet taller than 650 S Tryon the Deloitte tower. 

[atlrvr]

On 5/2/2022 at 10:45 AM, atlrvr said:

Looking at the approved land-use plans, the height on the new tower is 366'.  That is just a bit taller than half-way between the top of Deloitte and top of Ally.

Disappointingly, it no longer appears that it is being designed for a 2nd tower closer to Church St.  There will be retail at Church/Stonewall, but no evidence of elevator banks at the rear of the building. (just at the office tower portion closer to Tryon).

I posted this which was based on county-approved documents filed on the land-use permitting  system.

[Miesian Corners]

So the only thing that makes this building taller than Deloitte is the fact it's plopped atop more parking, right?

[KJHburg]

12 minutes ago, Miesian Corners said:

So the only thing that makes this building taller than Deloitte is the fact it's plopped atop more parking, right?

No it has more office space square footage too. I am glad it taller than Deloitte gives 3 towers on that block all very different heights. 

[CharlotteWkndBuzz]

48 minutes ago, Blue_Devil said:

20k retail is huge if it’s all Tryon and Brooklyn facing.

I’m assuming the new parking structure will have retail as well. Is the noted 20k just the tower portion or is that including the tower and parking deck retail sqft all together? If the latter, seems a little small due to the large footprint the tower and parking deck will have together. But hopefully the Brooklyn facing retail will help spark the vacant spaces at DEC where emzy and that fitness place used to be. LH, please please please make the next phase of this a hotel or residential tower of some sort. Absolutely need that 24/7 foot traffic in this area. My last wish is for that last parcel for LH to be more creative with the layout. The crowds that games and concerts create along mint st is something LH should take advantage of. Less corporate feeling and more stadium district feel with  mixed use retail and entertainment  options that can provide year-round and all day activation of the area. The parcel is large and I know it’s more expensive but digging down a few levels for parking would be ideal vs yet another parking deck on LU. 

[SydneycartonII]

Are there any engineers who might render an educated guess as to how tall this might be by Christmas?  Might it be three to five stories above ground?

This overhead shot from The Observer shows that this project is much further along than I had thought.

 

Edited July 12, 2022 by SydneycartonII

[KJHburg]

Here is the press release that anyone can read.  

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lincoln-harris-announces-600-south-tryon-fourth-tower-of-transformational-legacy-union-development-in-uptown-charlotte-301584921.html

[KJHburg]

drive bys today and uptown was so crowded with people and traffic I had to abort going up Tryon Street.   It was crowded around the lunch hour alas with workers! 

[DMann]

1 picture, 1 stinking picture?  What is Johnny thinking we are waiting for!~!!!!!!!!!!

[Reverie39]

7 hours ago, SydneycartonII said:

That’s true.  If this project were in downtown Raleigh, it would get coverage on every local television channel.  
 

I think that Charlotte’s sole, true rival right now is Nashville.  Denver and SLC are similarly-sized, dynamic cities, but are too far away to be rivals of Charlotte.

Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston seem to be rivals given their approximate size, which is significantly greater than Charlotte.  However,  Dallas and Houston seem to be well ahead of Atlanta.

The QC is really thriving.

Side note, I don't know if Google Maps recently updated 3D renderings of Nashville or something but I looked at it last weekend and it looks seriously impressive too. They are lacking some true height like Charlotte has, but the sheer number of (very) high-rises, borderline skyscrapers, is very high. If these two cities have a rivalry it's been a productive one, both are looking great these days.

[SydneycartonII]

30 minutes ago, Reverie39 said:

Side note, I don't know if Google Maps recently updated 3D renderings of Nashville or something but I looked at it last weekend and it looks seriously impressive too. They are lacking some true height like Charlotte has, but the sheer number of (very) high-rises, borderline skyscrapers, is very high. If these two cities have a rivalry it's been a productive one, both are looking great these days.

That’s true.  Charlotte and Nashville are both thriving.

[KJHburg]

August 2016 the Legacy site looked like this 6 years later we have 3 completed office towers, the mega deck and the 4th tower started.  And there is 2 more sites to develop on the 2nd block.  My pro friend took these.   (not to mention an office tower and hotel across the street)  3 blocks transformational change.