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Possible renovations would focus on improving the quality since the design limits expansion.  http://norfolklive.blogspot.com/2013/03/scope-renovations-would-focus-on.html

I read about this on the pilot and I can't for the life of me figure out why the design limits expansion. Just tear the thing down and build a new one, they have plenty of room to expand on that block. I know one concern is the admirals but I think having a new arena is worth them having to play somewhere else for 2 years. I just don't think throwing millions of dollars into an obviously outdated and inadequate building is the best way to go.

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I don't know what else they can do to make it look appealing, considering they just renovated the place not even 10 years ago. Another coat of paint isn't going to hide the fact that it's simply outdated.

 

Would hate to see such a local icon torn down though...if only we could go back to the late-60s and tell the architects to add about 5,000 more seats or allow for expansion.....

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I read about this on the pilot and I can't for the life of me figure out why the design limits expansion. Just tear the thing down and build a new one, they have plenty of room to expand on that block. I know one concern is the admirals but I think having a new arena is worth them having to play somewhere else for 2 years. I just don't think throwing millions of dollars into an obviously outdated and inadequate building is the best way to go.

 

Tear down everything on the inside, but do not touch that dome.  It is iconic and should be landmarked.  It is the largest reinforced concrete dome in the world.  It is iconic, and should be celebrated.

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I'm not really impressed, unfortunately. The concourse upgrades are okay, but I doubt that's helping Scope get to the next level any more than the upgrades from a few years ago. Honestly, I'd rather see the money for the conference center go towards a state of the art arena, but I guess it's all on VB now.

 

What exactly is the point of this "Pavilion"? Is it basically just front offices for the Admirals and Seven Venues, with a few conference rooms? Would events like job fairs be held in these conference rooms the way they are at The Ted? I don't mean to prejudge, but it just seems like a lot of work for an annex that's more or less for Scope employees.

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I'm not really impressed, unfortunately. The concourse upgrades are okay, but I doubt that's helping Scope get to the next level any more than the upgrades from a few years ago. Honestly, I'd rather see the money for the conference center go towards a state of the art arena, but I guess it's all on VB now.

 

What exactly is the point of this "Pavilion"? Is it basically just front offices for the Admirals and Seven Venues, with a few conference rooms? Would events like job fairs be held in these conference rooms the way they are at The Ted? I don't mean to prejudge, but it just seems like a lot of work for an annex that's more or less for Scope

employees.

 

I dunno what people were expecting, if you have been inside Scope before, you realize its pretty much impossible to add more seats/luxury boxes. So the city has gone about renovating Scope at the vision of being attractive to mid-sized events/concerts like the MEAC, the high school basketball tournaments, ect. I really don't see a problem with it. If this area is to get a big time arena, Virginia Beach is going to half to build it.

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I say renovate the scope and leave it for midsized events. It has historical significance. Use the land where Military Circle currently sits to build a "Mid-town" section of the city including a new larger state of the art arena, upscale hotel, a business tower or two, and some type of urban housing (apartments, condos).  The location is central between the three cities of Norfolk, Va Beach, and Chesapeake, and it provides great interstate access for the other surrounding metro cities.  Run the light rail through connecting to the airport and you have something serious on your hands. 

 

Norfolk  could even see if Chesapeake, and Virginia beach would like to get in on the funding of the arena since it is central.  It would help with pursuing a national team also. 

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I dunno what people were expecting, if you have been inside Scope before, you realize its pretty much impossible to add more seats/luxury boxes. So the city has gone about renovating Scope at the vision of being attractive to mid-sized events/concerts like the MEAC, the high school basketball tournaments, ect. I really don't see a problem with it. If this area is to get a big time arena, Virginia Beach is going to half to build it.

Agreed.  During the meeting, it was mentioned that City Council pursued expanding the Scope and moved on from it after a study showed it wasn't going to happen.  They're really only left with two options:  Don't invest in it at all and let it deteriorate while good concerts/tournaments/events bring revenue to other cities OR they can be proactive and make the building an attractive venue for years to come.  People complain that Norfolk never thinks ahead, but this is exactly what they're doing in this situation.

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What exactly is the point of this "Pavilion"? Is it basically just front offices for the Admirals and Seven Venues, with a few conference rooms? Would events like job fairs be held in these conference rooms the way they are at The Ted? I don't mean to prejudge, but it just seems like a lot of work for an annex that's more or less for Scope employees.

 

The Pavilion is the box office. I don't know that they need all the administrative space included in the Pavilion, but they definitely need a new box office. The current box office is below the plaza level and is nearly impossible to find when walking up to Scope on the plaza level. There is just one small sign directing you downstairs. There are also severe handicap accessibility issues.

I don't mind the Pavilion, but I think it is too big. In the renderings, it competes with Scope itself.

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I'd really like to see them put some corporate boxes at the top of Scope and fill in the corners/ends with proper arena seating.  The roll around Corporate boxes look silly.

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Could someone please explain the importance of adding a park to the scope area?  Every time we look around the city is considering throwing in a park here and there in an dt that really only has 3 to 4 viable streets.  A park would do absolutely nothing for that area because there is NO foot traffic outside of something being hosted there.  That said, its a waist of money as it stands now until they can garner more activity in that area to justify yet another park.  I mean, they talk about the area of DT as if it has 100s of streets and buildings that LACKs a decent park. Parks only make sense when you have people to visit them or if you are trying to preserve something.


As far as scope is concerned, whatever. if you have followed my post over the years, you know I have been critical of scope as it stands.  Instead of opening it up to more things, it sat vacant for most of the years years ago, mean while odu constant pick up all types of acts.  Remember, Norfolk does not benefit from that venue nor do they pay taxes...


 

 


 

Its even shameful to say that graduations are even held at constant now when Norfolk isn't even producing more graduates that in years past.  That place has been for the most part mismanaged up to this point and everyone knows it.  Its tons of people who want to try and do things, but the cost is too high to even get started with the scope. That is a direction issue, lack of understanding, lack of understand the market for what scope is.  What I do know, holding the admirals for a few months out of the year and a couple of pocket conventions and guns shows aren't cutting it.  They really thought for all these years, riding off gun shows, the circus, and admiral games would be enough? Heck they just picked up the high school bball tournament and had a big press release on it a few years ago like they did something revolutionary.


 

 


 

What a crock of S***

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I didn't know Populous was behind this. They've done a lot of the sports venues of the last 10-20 years...this at least makes me optimistic about the aesthetic look.

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