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Man - can't you see good people are trying to invest heavily the way they think is best - and who are all of these overreaching, back-seat drivers seconded guessing the architects / developers / investors who are actually putting up cold hard cash to improve the community and replace a building so many call ugly?? Get a grip -

Show some respect for others. Don't cheer on want-to-bes who throw darts, but do nothing.

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It's alright GoGreen. Your issues shouldn't be expressed this way. It should be directed towards city hall. We don't technically set policy, even though some of us think so, the folk on city council do. If you don't like what you are seeing, say something. Better yet run for office. There is nothing worst than a back seat driver. And yes, I do speak on a lot of subjects, my council person knows me by my first name. Matter of fact a lot of them do. So stop all the ranting on UP and do something about it.

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I definitely prefer this AC Hotel design over some of the others I have seen. The Greenville News has a rendering from a different perspective (Main Street looking northeast) and it seems reasonably attractive for a modern brand.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2015/05/05/new-hotel-high-rise-planned-for-downtown-greenville/26932691/

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I don't even get excited anymore when I see a headline in the G-News :new high-rise" for downtown. I know it's not really a high-rise. I've given up hope on anything in Greenville that actually is a "high-rise". :yawn:  :yawn: :yawn:  :yawn:  :yawn:  

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I don't even get excited anymore when I see a headline in the G-News :new high-rise" for downtown. I know it's not really a high-rise. I've given up hope on anything in Greenville that actually is a "high-rise". :yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn:

What makes a building a high rise though? 10 stories? 15 stories? :dontknow:

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The first buildings called skyscrapers were from 7 to 10 stories high.

 

However, the standards have changed.  I've seen definitions that regard buildings from between 100-120 feet  up to around 300-330 feet tall as high rises and buildings taller than that as skyscrapers.  By that definition the Landmark building is the only skyscraper in Greenville.  Maybe. It is right at the upper limit of high-rise and lower limit of skyscraper.

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The first buildings called skyscrapers were from 7 to 10 stories high.

 

However, the standards have changed.  I've seen definitions that regard buildings from between 100-120 feet  up to around 300-330 feet tall as high rises and buildings taller than that as skyscrapers.  By that definition the Landmark building is the only skyscraper in Greenville.  Maybe. It is right at the upper limit of high-rise and lower limit of skyscraper.

 

 

if I remember correctly the Landmark is at 325ft. That would not be the only high rise as there are several between 100 and 300 including the BOA building, Liberty one and two, Poinsett Hotel, even the One Project buildings and the old Hotel Greenville plus others.

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I don't love the architecture. I feel like this significant piece of land could use something more imaginative. Don't get me wrong, it will be much better than the Greenville News building, but it doesn't wow me. I wish they would have gone for more height. Instead, it looks like just about any routine urban cluster of buildings which I fear will look dated in 20 years.

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I don't love the architecture. I feel like this significant piece of land could use something more imaginative. Don't get me wrong, it will be much better than the Greenville News building, but it doesn't wow me. I wish they would have gone for more height. Instead, it looks like just about any routine urban cluster of buildings which I fear will look dated in 20 years.

They didn't go for more height to please the nimby's like Heidi Aiken. :silly:

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It's going to have retail, restaurants, movie theater, fitness center, hotel, public plaza, apartments, office space, etc. Seems like a great state of the art mixed use development to me. :dontknow: What do you suggest they have on site instead? Anybody who thinks this project is "disappointing" doesn't have a clue.

Magnolia Park has restaurants, a cinema etc.......and is disappointing.  It is not the tenant list but the design...............and I am not convinced the numbers work for a movie theater but time will tell.

 

It is disappointing because the buildings are bland at best.......this is not great design.  This building has no presence on the street and looks like a bland cheaply built hotel that could have easily been built on an interchange.

 

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2015/05/05/new-hotel-high-rise-planned-for-downtown-greenville/26932691/

 

the office building is even more disappointing.  It seems as though the project is built on a tight budget to make the numbers work.  The open plaza is not inviting, it looks like a place where you will have valet stands, not a place to sit.  I though they would have oriented the project towards Greenville's greatest asset, the park.

 

While it is a different scale, look at the presence and detail that you see on a building with similar street orientation as the Greenville News site...........

 

http://www.experiencetryonplace.com/

 

Yes, I know........this office building is much larger but that Is not the point, it has a dramatic impact to the street and city. 

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How your posts make me feel: :yawn:

Interesting........

 

So, you have what is one of if not the most visible site in DT Greenville, the gateway to your best asset and you propose this.............

 

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2015/05/05/new-hotel-high-rise-planned-for-downtown-greenville/26932691/

 

which is not much different than this..........

 

http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/cltbt-springhill-suites-charlotte-ballantyne-area/

 

If you are ok with that, then that explains a lot. 

 

But, folks in the city should want more than this.  This entire project could easily be in the suburbs...........the office portion (and the new Courtyard) look very similar to a suburban office park.....

 

http://www.ghs.org/patewoodoffices#.VV1LVLltqUk

 

So, yes, this is a complete failure in design.   And, based on the posts in this thread, a lot of people agree.

 

Of course, you still think Greenville is the fastest growing metro in SC so why would I expect you to understand.  Maybe you will believe the numbers.......Charleston is growing at twice the rate of Greenville.  Myrtle Beach is growing faster as are the Charlotte counties.  Columbia and Greenville are in the same band growth wise, materially the same. 

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Interesting........

 

So, you have what is one of if not the most visible site in DT Greenville, the gateway to your best asset and you propose this.............

 

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2015/05/05/new-hotel-high-rise-planned-for-downtown-greenville/26932691/

 

which is not much different than this..........

 

http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/cltbt-springhill-suites-charlotte-ballantyne-area/

 

If you are ok with that, then that explains a lot. 

 

But, folks in the city should want more than this.  This entire project could easily be in the suburbs...........the office portion (and the new Courtyard) look very similar to a suburban office park.....

 

http://www.ghs.org/patewoodoffices#.VV1LVLltqUk

 

So, yes, this is a complete failure in design.   And, based on the posts in this thread, a lot of people agree.

 

Of course, you still think Greenville is the fastest growing metro in SC so why would I expect you to understand.  Maybe you will believe the numbers.......Charleston is growing at twice the rate of Greenville.  Myrtle Beach is growing faster as are the Charlotte counties.  Columbia and Greenville are in the same band growth wise, materially the same. 

 

 

Now before I get all the moans and groans, I have to agree with redcliff. This building looks a little to much like what's already here. And yes you could place this building off any highway and it wouldn't be special. Now don't get me wrong. I like it. But the orientation is wrong. Matter of fact the orientation of the whole project is wrong. I know why they did it, because of the topography. Like with hotel, it's like the back of the building is to Main St. Bad ju-ju. Matter of fact, all of the buildings are facing away from the street. Except for one, the four story building. There are two sides of it that are inviting to pedestrians from the street, that is. No other building does this. Now I know they had to place the focus somewhere. I just couldn't image that they couldn't be a little more imaginative than what's planned. I am pretty sure they can do better.

 

But I do have to say this to, Redcliff. These are not the final products, Remember the four story building was reviewed three or four times. All of these buildings have to be reviewed. That's the reason for the process. So we all need to keep this in mind.

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Now before I get all the moans and groans, I have to agree with redcliff. This building looks a little to much like what's already here. And yes you could place this building off any highway and it wouldn't be special. Now don't get me wrong. I like it. But the orientation is wrong. Matter of fact the orientation of the whole project is wrong. I know why they did it, because of the topography. Like with hotel, it's like the back of the building is to Main St. Bad ju-ju. Matter of fact, all of the buildings are facing away from the street. Except for one, the four story building. There are two sides of it that are inviting to pedestrians from the street, that is. No other building does this. Now I know they had to place the focus somewhere. I just couldn't image that they couldn't be a little more imaginative than what's planned. I am pretty sure they can do better.

 

But I do have to say this to, Redcliff. These are not the final products, Remember the four story building was reviewed three or four times. All of these buildings have to be reviewed. That's the reason for the process. So we all need to keep this in mind.

I hope you are right, this project should be revised.

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Charleston is growing at twice the rate of Greenville.  Myrtle Beach is growing faster as are the Charlotte counties.  Columbia and Greenville are in the same band growth wise, materially the same. 

Charleston is obviously growing at a much faster pace than Greenville (and the rest of the country!) but let's not make your little pissing match a game of "broad generalizations about statistics."

 

http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=PEP_2014_PEPTCOMP&prodType=table

http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk

 

Comparisons to Columbia are dubious at best

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Charleston is obviously growing at a much faster pace than Greenville (and the rest of the country!) but let's not make your little pissing match a game of "broad generalizations about statistics."

 

http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=PEP_2014_PEPTCOMP&prodType=table

http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk

 

Comparisons to Columbia are dubious at best

Greenville and Columbia are growing at similar levels.

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Well, those are disappointing. I say wrap the glass all the way around and add 10 stories but alas, anything is better than the G News building.

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The hotel and office building plans were both withdrawn and therefore did not go before the DRB for approval. Capllc is not commenting. Ruh roh.

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