Camperdown (Greenville News Building Site)

[distortedlogic]

6 hours ago, cabelagent said:

More  coming....becoming crane city

Which ones; Courthouse, Grand Bohemian?

[gman430]

29 minutes ago, distortedlogic said:

Which ones; Courthouse, Grand Bohemian?

Yes. Both are slated to have tower cranes.

[gman430]

Maybe one day we will have as many tower cranes as Seattle. 

Edited April 28, 2019 by gman430

[CLT_sc]

12 hours ago, gman430 said:

Maybe one day we will have as many tower cranes as Seattle. 

Only 60 ish more to go and you wil, get there.  30 or so more and you will match CLT.

[cabelagent]

CLT...believe  reference to Seattle was due to a tower crane falling & crushing 4 people. Please go away....give us your best impersonation of a tree and leave.

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by cabelagent

[gman430]

Edited May 4, 2019 by gman430

[apaladin]

How did this thread get all the way to the second page, LOL. It's our favorite! I noticed in the ads they are saying it will be Greenville's tallest building which is not true, correct? Won't be taller than the Landmark building and should be about the height of the BOA building and Liberty One building. 

[motonenterprises]

1 hour ago, apaladin said:

How did this thread get all the way to the second page, LOL. It's our favorite! I noticed in the ads they are saying it will be Greenville's tallest building which is not true, correct? Won't be taller than the Landmark building and should be about the height of the BOA building and Liberty One building. 

It will be taller in feet than BOA and Liberty One. It'll be second behind the Landmark which could use a makeover.

[gman430]

5 hours ago, apaladin said:

How did this thread get all the way to the second page, LOL. It's our favorite! I noticed in the ads they are saying it will be Greenville's tallest building which is not true, correct? Won't be taller than the Landmark building and should be about the height of the BOA building and Liberty One building. 

Which ads say that? Can you post a link? Everything I have seen says second tallest which is true in terms of feet. 

Edited May 12, 2019 by gman430

[goodbye]

5 hours ago, motonenterprises said:

It will be taller in feet than BOA and Liberty One. It'll be second behind the Landmark which could use a makeover.

And yet, it will appear shorter in the skyline because of the sloping terrain and its location adjacent to the river basin.  As the tower crane indicates, this building will not top out much higher than the Poinsett Plaza office building.  However, its true size will be clearly evident when viewed from Falls Park on the Reedy.

[gman]

There is only one floor left available in the Falls Tower condo building.  Amazing, considering the price. 

[GVLover]

3 hours ago, gman said:

There is only one floor left available in the Falls Tower condo building.  Amazing, considering the price. 

Sheesh, seriously? Super impressive. Ignorant question, but is it possible that additional floors could be added to accommodate demand? 

[goodbye]

31 minutes ago, GVLover said:

Sheesh, seriously? Super impressive. Ignorant question, but is it possible that additional floors could be added to accommodate demand? 

Perhaps, but the developer would need approval from the city before proceeding with such a change.  The condo sales may be similar to the RiverPlace and Richland at Cleveland Park condominiums, where investors snatched them up rather quickly and some were on the market again shortly thereafter.

[GVLover]

On 4/11/2019 at 7:28 PM, GVLover said:

And WeWork is official according to that flyer, something many of us have long speculated. I find it interesting that this page (8 of 9) says WeWork goes under the apartment building AND there is a “Leased to cowork space concept” under the office building. Hm.

https://upstatebusinessjournal.com/national-co-working-leader-spaces-signs-lease-at-camperdown/

Interesting.

[GvilleSC]

13 minutes ago, GVLover said:

https://upstatebusinessjournal.com/national-co-working-leader-spaces-signs-lease-at-camperdown/

Interesting.

Wow- soon to only have one floor of office space remaining. I wonder who the soon-to-be-announced tenant will be?

[gman430]

How many incubator spaces does this city need?  Seems a bit much. 

[goodbye]

25 minutes ago, gman430 said:

How many incubator spaces does this city need?  Seems a bit much. 

Hopefully they will translate/grow into larger, more successful, locally based businesses.  This is positive when considering the city's recent difficulty attracting and retaining larger corporate offices.

[GVLover]

9 minutes ago, Skyliner said:

Hopefully they will translate/grow into larger, more successful, locally based businesses.  This is positive when considering the city's recent difficulty attracting and retaining larger corporate offices.

Is there any reason why it’s been difficult to attract such offices? 

[gman430]

8 minutes ago, GVLover said:

Is there any reason why it’s been difficult to attract such offices? 

Because our leaders only care about landing manufacturing and distribution jobs. 

[GvilleSC]

13 minutes ago, GVLover said:

Is there any reason why it’s been difficult to attract such offices? 

I assume the reference is mostly toward Certus and the debacle that was their demise. CH2M merging with Jacobs didn't help. 

There are local companies growing, i.e. Chartspan.. We just need to retain them.

[CLT_sc]

24 minutes ago, gman430 said:

Because our leaders only care about landing manufacturing and distribution jobs. 

This is a big part of the problem.  The leaders like to see large #’s of Jobs  to grab headlines usually with manufacturing or distribution. While that should continue, there needs to be a much stronger effort by the state to attract office jobs.  That  requires a focus on funding high education at proper levels as well as creating the infrastructure to get noticed by companies. JP Morgan, BofA, and other large financial companies need lower cost areas for some non-customer facing functions.  Greenville, Cola and part of Charleston would be good candidates.  There is a decent amount of vacant office space in Greenville which, priced correctly, could attract a 200 person operation which may lead to a 400 person and then larger.

One  issue  is the relatively low 4 year education levels in Greenville.  That can be overcome, but really stands out when compared with peer counties. 

[GvilleSC]

8 minutes ago, CLT_sc said:

One  issue  is the relatively low 4 year education levels in Greenville.  That can be overcome, but really stands out when compared with peer counties. 

Can you provide your statistics and who you consider a peer county and what that criteria means to you? It'd be helpful in having an actual discussion.

[CLT_sc]

6 minutes ago, GvilleSC said:

Can you provide your statistics and who you consider a peer county and what that criteria means to you? It'd be helpful in having an actual discussion.

First, I’ll define peer counties as the larger counties in the Carolinas. From the census, % of persons above 25 with a 4 year degree in Greenville County is 33.3%, in Richland, 37.7, in Charleston 41.9, in Mecklenburg 44%, in Wake (Raleigh) 51%, Forsyth (Winston) 33.8, Guilford (Greensboro) 34.9 and Lexington SC at 30.1%.

This is not a sole determinant in attracting office jobs, but when you look at where they are highly concentrated, the percentages are higher.  You can also Ask which drives the metric, home grown companies or relocations, not sure the answer. But, Sealed Air cited the depth of labor when they moved to Charlotte from Greenville.

the state of S.C. really needs to improve recruitment in the three main cities of SC.

[GvilleSC]

10 minutes ago, CLT_sc said:

First, I’ll define peer counties as the larger counties in the Carolinas. From the census, % of persons above 25 with a 4 year degree in Greenville County is 33.3%, in Richland, 37.7, in Charleston 41.9, in Mecklenburg 44%, in Wake (Raleigh) 51%, Forsyth (Winston) 33.8, Guilford (Greensboro) 34.9 and Lexington SC at 30.1%.

This is not a sole determinant in attracting office jobs, but when you look at where they are highly concentrated, the percentages are higher.  You can also Ask which drives the metric, home grown companies or relocations, not sure the answer. But, Sealed Air cited the depth of labor when they moved to Charlotte from Greenville.

the state of S.C. really needs to improve recruitment in the three main cities of SC.

We're getting way off-topic here, but what's actually quite interesting is this: when comparing the three counties that you consider peers in South Carolina, look at the income and poverty levels. Richland's numbers are jarring, but their concentration of office jobs is arguably higher than other portions of the state. 

Charleston County:

Bachelor's Degree over age 25: 41.9%

Median Income: $57,882

Poverty:  13.3%

 

Richland County:

Bachelor's Degree over age 25: 37.7%

Median Income: $52,082

Poverty:  16.9%

 

Greenville County:

Bachelor's Degree over age 25: 33.3%

Median Income: $53,739

Poverty:  12.4%

[CLT_sc]

9 minutes ago, GvilleSC said:

We're getting way off-topic here, but what's actually quite interesting is this: when comparing the three counties that you consider peers in South Carolina, look at the income and poverty levels. Richland's numbers are jarring, but their concentration of office jobs is arguably higher than other portions of the state. 

Charleston County:

Bachelor's Degree over age 25: 41.9%

Median Income: $57,882

Poverty:  13.3%

 

Richland County:

Bachelor's Degree over age 25: 37.7%

Median Income: $52,082

Poverty:  16.9%

 

Greenville County:

Bachelor's Degree over age 25: 33.3%

Median Income: $53,739

Poverty:  12.4%

That is high....would seem to indicate a lot of high income earners offset by low wage earners.....like state government. Not sure the exact answer, but could also be attributable to being the state capital.  Anyway, that is an entire other thread and could be disected 100 ways.