5th & Broadway | 501 Commerce | NMAAM | 34 story apt, 26 story office, + 183,000 sq. ft. of Retail

[downtownresident]

On 2/7/2020 at 8:22 PM, nashvylle said:

When is Cooper going to stop this carnival signage fiasco 

I think I found the version that contains his edits...

[markhollin]

Four more restaurants announced for The Assembly Food Hall at 5th & Broadway: Thai Esane, Steam Boys, Smokin Chikin and The Liege Waffle Co.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/food-business/article/21115133/fifth-broad-lands-four-restaurants

[markhollin]

A major permit for $975,000 been issued to allow for the build-out of the 2,900 sq. ft. space for the future Hattie B’s Hot Chicken at Fifth + Broadway. Raleigh-based August Construction Solutions is handling the job.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/food-business/article/21115405/tiny-chocolate-maker-opens-on-south-side

[DDIG]

1 hour ago, markhollin said:

A major permit for $975,000 been issued to allow for the build-out of the 2,900 sq. ft. space for the future Hattie B’s Hot Chicken at Fifth + Broadway. Raleigh-based August Construction Solutions is handling the job.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/food-business/article/21115405/tiny-chocolate-maker-opens-on-south-side

That Hattie B's will gross roughly a billion dollars per year.

[volsfanwill]

28 minutes ago, DDIG said:

That Hattie B's will gross roughly a billion dollars per year.

Good. Maybe the line on 8th will be shorter. 

[DDIG]

5 minutes ago, volsfanwill said:

Good. Maybe the line on 8th will be shorter. 

It may help because you gotta think all the tourists will just hit the one in walking distance to most the hotels.

[NashRugger]

When folks think Hattie B's is authentic hot chicken, I laugh.

[Craiger]

16 minutes ago, NashRugger said:

When folks think Hattie B's is authentic hot chicken, I laugh.

What is inauthentic about it? 

[NashWellington11]

15 minutes ago, Craiger said:

What is inauthentic about it? 

It's not Prince's. Literally other than Prince's and a few other small spots, Nashville hot chicken was NOT a thing even 10 years ago. To the extent it did exist it was predominantly an African-American cuisine.

Also, "Hattie B's" has always bothered me because it reeks of fake. It was founded and owned by two good ole boy white guys and then named "Hattie B's" to give an illusion of some older African-American woman back in the kitchen whipping up hot chicken.

Not usually one to side with those who cry "cultural appropriation" at everything, but there is definitely an argument to be made here. At the very least, it is definitely inauthentic.

Edited February 12, 2020 by NashWellington11
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[Jarno]

9 minutes ago, NashWellington11 said:

It's not Prince's. Literally other than Prince's and a few other small spots, Nashville hot chicken was NOT a thing even 10 years ago. To the extent it did exist it was predominantly an African-American cuisine.

Also, "Hattie B's" has always bothered me because it reeks of fake. It was founded and owned by two good ole boy white guys and then named "Hattie B's" to give an illusion of some older African-American woman back in the kitchen whipping up hot chicken.

Not usually one to side with those who cry "cultural appropriation" at everything, but there is definitely an argument to be made here.

I've got some sad news for you, but Aunt Jemima does not make the syrup and never did.

[NashWellington11]

2 minutes ago, Jarno said:

I've got some sad news for you, but Aunt Jemima does not make the syrup and never did.

Most people know that. The difference is Aunt Jemima was started as a brand in 1889 which we can all agree was a much different era than when Hattie B's was founded in 2012 .

Also, here are some articles on why Aunt Jemima and other similar brands are racist:

• https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/24/besides-the-confederate-flag-what-other-symbols-should-go/can-we-please-finally-get-rid-of-aunt-jemima
• https://fortune.com/2014/08/12/aunt-jemima-racism/
• https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/new-racism-museum-reveals-the-ugly-truth-behind-aunt-jemima/256185/

[DDIG]

1 hour ago, NashWellington11 said:

It's not Prince's. Literally other than Prince's and a few other small spots, Nashville hot chicken was NOT a thing even 10 years ago. To the extent it did exist it was predominantly an African-American cuisine.

Also, "Hattie B's" has always bothered me because it reeks of fake. It was founded and owned by two good ole boy white guys and then named "Hattie B's" to give an illusion of some older African-American woman back in the kitchen whipping up hot chicken.

Not usually one to side with those who cry "cultural appropriation" at everything, but there is definitely an argument to be made here. At the very least, it is definitely inauthentic.

You are not wrong, at the end of the day Prince's failed to monetize hot chicken and Hattie B's hit the jackpot. I do think though that Hattie B's product is pretty good.

[donNdonelson2]

Am I correct that Prince’s Hot Chicken will also have a location at 5+Broad?

[DDIG]

3 minutes ago, donNdonelson2 said:

Am I correct that Prince’s Hot Chicken will also have a location at 5+Broad?

They will have an operation in the food hall, so it won't be a full on restaurant, but available.

[Craiger]

2 hours ago, NashWellington11 said:

It's not Prince's. Literally other than Prince's and a few other small spots, Nashville hot chicken was NOT a thing even 10 years ago. To the extent it did exist it was predominantly an African-American cuisine.

Also, "Hattie B's" has always bothered me because it reeks of fake. It was founded and owned by two good ole boy white guys and then named "Hattie B's" to give an illusion of some older African-American woman back in the kitchen whipping up hot chicken.

Not usually one to side with those who cry "cultural appropriation" at everything, but there is definitely an argument to be made here. At the very least, it is definitely inauthentic.

OK so that we are on the same page here then, only Prince's Nashville Hot Chicken is authentic then? Or any hot chicken place older than a decade? Two decades? 

 

Could you tell me what restaurants in Chicago serves authentic Chicago Deep Dish? Don't you dare give me a restaurant that open after 1960 though! 

[ZestyEd]

2 hours ago, NashWellington11 said:

Also, "Hattie B's" has always bothered me because it reeks of fake. It was founded and owned by two good ole boy white guys and then named "Hattie B's" to give an illusion of some older African-American woman back in the kitchen whipping up hot chicken.

Hattie Bs is a spin off from Bishop's Meat & three,  The restaurant is named after three women in the Bishop family with the name Hattie therefore you get "Hattie Bs".  So I don't know how that reeks fake unless you have some personal bias.  You can argue that Prince's is the best just how Philadelphians argue over Pat's vs Gino's cheesestakes. 

"Hattie’s is a shout-out to Bishop’s great-grandmother, grandmother and daughter, all of whom had or have Hattie in their full names."  
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/postcard-from-tom-four-nashville-restaurants-that-will-make-your-mouth-sing/2014/05/08/ac7e5cec-cf9f-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c_story.html

Edited February 12, 2020 by ZestyEd

[BnaBreaker]

32 minutes ago, Craiger said:

OK so that we are on the same page here then, only Prince's Nashville Hot Chicken is authentic then? Or any hot chicken place older than a decade? Two decades?  

I would say Bolton's as well

[titanhog]

Saying Prince's is the only one that is "authentic" isn't right.  You can say it was the first...it is the best...is the original...but to call all others fake or racist (if you're not African American) is just wrong.

[21jump]

"Authentic" or not Hattie B's is delicious, and so is Prince's. I'm not sure why it matters how old or new the restaurant is as long as the food and service are good.

[UTgrad09]

I've never tried hot chicken (even though I am a fan of spicy food and fried chicken, I am not a fan of lines), but if you let something other than your mouth judge what you like to eat, then you are robbing yourself of an experience. 

 

All that aside, I'm really looking forward to this food hall. I imagine it's going to be a new go-to spot for Preds fans getting ready for the game.

[Bark At The Sun]

I'm looking forward to not having to get in my truck and go fight for parking at the HB's 8th or Charlotte locations, or have to pay to park at the Midtown location.  Will be nice to call an order in, walk over and pick up my food and be back at work in a half hour.   Haven't tried Prince's but am looking forward to it as well.

Edited February 13, 2020 by Bark At The Sun

[markhollin]

Another rendering for The Place’s amenities deck:
 

[markhollin]

Convene, a rapidly growing co-working brand out of NYC,  is pursuing it's first location in Nashville at the 5th & Broadway office tower. No word on how much space they will be leasing.

More behind the NBJ paywall here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2020/02/12/surging-co-working-brand-targets-landmark-downtown.html

[markhollin]

Glass installation on office tower covering about 80% complete. I wonder if they are going to replace those 9 discolored panes on north side of 13th floor (facing Commerce)?

Looking SW from intersection of 5th Ave. North and Commerce St:

Looking east from intersection of 6th Ave. North and Commerce St:

Looking north from 5th Ave. North, 1/2 block north of Broadway:

Looking NE from intersection of Demonbreun and 7th Ave. South:

[Native]

For the third time, the metal screens have been removed from the parking garage of the office tower.  The picture below, posted by markhollin yesterday shows the dark brown ones attached to the lower floors.  Today, as shown by the second photo taken today on Commerce Street, the panels are gone.  If anyone knows what is really going on, let us know.  I suspect they may have decided these things are not worthy to be affixed to such a prominent building.

 

 

 

Another anomaly is this picture of the west side showing that the brackets used to attach the panels along Commerce are absent from the end of the building.  This may mean nothing but it shows they have not yet installed the brackets for the panels that keep appearing and disappearing.

 

 

But, on Presidents Day, the Nashville City Center looks good from Sixth Avenue.