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BR/NOLA 2023 Pan American Games

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Hi, yes It's me again. After nearly six months of research on the Olympics and the cities that host them; along with following the recent developments here in both BR and NOLA, I have a far more realistic idea. Something I learned was that many cities before ever hosting the Olympics they host either: Euro Games, Asian Games, Common Wealth Games, or the Pan American Games. While it will certainly be a long time before Baton Rouge or New Orleans were to host the Olympics, the 2023 Pan Am games provide a unique opportunity. One reason being is that to host cities do not need to meet as many requirements as an Olympic host must. The requirements needed both Baton Rouge and New Orleans meet or could if a bid was created. 

 

A POSITIVE LEGACY

 

Sporting organizations which organize large events like this care a great deal about the legacy, A NOLA/BR games could ensure that. With transportation upgrades, levee upgrades, mass scale revitalization, and international influence would create a very positive legacy for both cities. Take Toronto, host of the 2015 edition, their waterfront is not only being improved, but many run-down areas are now cultural hubs, or Indianapolis host of the 1987 games, thier international and even national reputation is far greater now. Even Chicago's hosting of the 1957 edition helped get Burnhams 1909 plan a driving force for change in that city. Imagine what could come from our cities. 

 

VENUES

To host the games venues would be created and selected in order to have a well organized games below is a list of potential sites and venues along with their sports they would host and post games use

 

NEW ORLEANS

  • PAN AMERICAN PARK:  post-29366-0-45945800-1392684317_thumb.p

          - Pan Am Stadium:  60,000 seats (Athletics, Soccer, Rugby). Post Game use: down sized to 30,000 seats and becomes stadium for local soccer team. toronto2008olympicstadiwx7.png

        - Aquatics Center: 40,000 seats ( Diving, Swimming, Synchronized Swimming, Water Polo) Post Games: 20,000 seat public pool/sports venue for state-wide and nation or international events. 12-olympic-stadium.jpg

 

       - Velodrome: 40,000 seats (Roller Sports [2], Tack Cycling) Post Games: 20,000 seat training facility 3816595873_b75e3cd4f2.jpg

 

       - Racquetball, Field Hockey, Basketball (3; 20,000 seat temporary stadiums) Post Games: Park land

 

       - Roosevelt Sports Center: 100,000 seats (Beach Volleyball, Badminton, Squash, Volleyball, Handball) Post Games: convention center  

 

      -  Pan Am Athletics Center: 100,000 seats (Taekwondo, Table Tennis, Karate, Judo, Boxing, Wrestling, Weightlifting) Post Games: Athletic training center and community venue

 

      - City Park: (Tennis) 

 

      - Bayou Oaks Golf Course: Temporary seating 40,000 (Golf) Post Games: Community Golf center

 

      - Athletes Village: 10 mid-rise apartment buildings and training facilities. Post Games: Community housing and community centersSite%20Aerial_1.jpg

     

 

  • IBC/MPC

          - New Orleans Convention Center 

 

  • Hotels

          - Hotel Monteleone (Pan-American Family Hotel) 

 

          - Omni Royal Orleans (Pan-American Family Hotel) 

 

 

BATON ROUGE

 

  • Pete Maravich Assembly Center: (Trampoline, Gymnastics Artistic, Gymnastics Rhythmic, Fencing) post-29366-0-23177700-1392684696_thumb.j
  • Red Stick Stadium (new): 70,000 seats (Baseball). Post Games: stadium for new MLB Team
  • Alex Box Stadium: Softball
  • Temporary: Canoe/Kayak Salom
  • Velo Park: BMX/Mountain Bike courses. Post Games: Velo park for city
  • Baton Rouge Athletic Center: (Bowling, Shooting, Volleyball, Basketball, Beach Volleyball, Archery). Post Games: Sports Center/venue
  • Baton Rouge Equestrian Center: (Modern Pentathlon, Equestrian) 
  • University Lake: (Water Ski, Sailing, Wake-board, Open Water Swimming, Canoe/Kayak Sprint) 
  • LSU Campus: (Road Cycling) 

Various Upgrades 

 

BR Airport (international status) 

NOLA Airport 

New light rail sytems for both cities

Train connection between BR & NOLA 

Improved roads

 

COMMENT!

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(Face palm)

This again

I'm sorry, have you spent months researching both cities, and the possibility of them hosting large scale sporting events? Do you fail to realize the gigantic catalyst that comes from hosting these games? All of these large projects we always talk about here can be achieved by hosting this event; our governments will not install things unless they have to or there is a huge want in the community, hosting the Pan American Games can bring that change. On top of that it attracts businesses to this area. I have the feeling all you did was read the topic and post your comment, this is no "Olympic Games", but something much smaller and achievable.

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1) I read it. It's also in your title. So why would I think you were talking about the Olympics??

2) I really don't know where to start in the mile long list of reasons as to why BR/NOLA will ever, ever host the PanAm Games.

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1) I read it. It's also in your title. So why would I think you were talking about the Olympics??

2) I really don't know where to start in the mile long list of reasons as to why BR/NOLA will ever, ever host the PanAm Games.

 

 

Well then begin where you feel it fit,

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(Face palm)

This again

^^Haters gon' hate^^

 

Timelordnerd...I think its a good post. I'm going to study it more closely tomorrow morning, but it does look interesting!

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^^Haters gon' hate^^

 

Timelordnerd...I think its a good post. I'm going to study it more closely tomorrow morning, but it does look interesting!

Thanks.

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I can appreciate all the work you put into your post....while this may be a long-shot...always like a good underdog story!

 

A 70,000 Red Stick Baseball stadium may be a little optimistic(Fenway Park in Boston is 37,500 & Minute Maid in Houston a lil' over 40,000)...where might a good location be??

 

I like the list of venues....thanks for all of the visuals :shades:

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I love your enthusiasm! You have to speak/wish/will great things into existence.

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I can appreciate all the work you put into your post....while this may be a long-shot...always like a good underdog story!

 

A 70,000 Red Stick Baseball stadium may be a little optimistic(Fenway Park in Boston is 37,500 & Minute Maid in Houston a lil' over 40,000)...where might a good location be??

 

I like the list of venues....thanks for all of the visuals :shades:

Welcome, I know you like the visuals. I would say then Red Stick Baseball Stadium should be around 40,000 seats. As for location, the BR Athletic Park would be here: 

 

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Red Stick would go where tiger park is along with the Athletic center and celebration 'ally'. The Alex Box would receive more decor and 'celebration space'. 

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I love your enthusiasm! You have to speak/wish/will great things into existence.

The truth is that many think BR or NOLA could not hold this, but together and with smart planning they could. 

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If the current momentum of development and progress keeps up, I wouldn't be surprised if it leads up to something of this magnitude...way down the road.

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With some adjustments, the Pan Am games are probably very realistic. If Indianapolis, Winnipeg, Havanna, San Juan, and Mar del Plata can host the games, I see no reason why NOLA/BR area cannot.

 

Red Stick Stadium (or Park) has a nice ring to it! Too bad we will never get MLB over New Orleans.

BTR probably wouldn't be much of a factor even by that time. MSY is getting a brand new terminal that will overshadow our little airport even more than it is now.

 

I love your enthusiasm, great post!

 

 

Don't expect much from itsjustme3.

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With some adjustments, the Pan Am games are probably very realistic. If Indianapolis, Winnipeg, Havanna, San Juan, and Mar del Plata can host the games, I see no reason why NOLA/BR area cannot.

 

Red Stick Stadium (or Park) has a nice ring to it! Too bad we will never get MLB over New Orleans.

BTR probably wouldn't be much of a factor even by that time. MSY is getting a brand new terminal that will overshadow our little airport even more than it is now.

 

I love your enthusiasm, great post!

 

 

Don't expect much from itsjustme3.

I think it may be possible for a larger airport here, and with a light rail system connecting it to the rest of the city could really give BR a leg up. The same with an MLB Team is very likely with the right people in the right place. 

 

Taking all these comments into account while i write a master-plan document.

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Send it to the mayors of both cities and the governor. Maybe you can help orchestrate a plan to bring this to light. Lolo Jones would be a good face for such a movement.

Did you create those renderings? Good work. It takes political pull (friends of a red-state in the White House) for this to happen- and even if we are a bid city, it still may not happen. It's a long shot but I think it's worth trying.

I also like the idea that the costs of the facilities and the task of figuring out a use for them after the games falls on a region, and not one city. Olympic Games often produce a lot of debt for host cities. Louisiana is on the front end if a period of major economic expansion. It's an interesting thought, and I'd love to hear your opinions on it.

Who is bidding that year? I imagine Houston, Tampa, and Los Angeles are likely candidates.

Baton Rouge is a better candidate for a MLS team than a Major League Baseball team, IMO. New Orleans may be able to handle an MLB team. Seems like MLB never expands - but maybe Tulane and the Zephers can use a new stadium.

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Send it to the mayors of both cities and the governor. Maybe you can help orchestrate a plan to bring this to light. Lolo Jones would be a good face for such a movement.

Did you create those renderings? Good work. It takes political pull (friends of a red-state in the White House) for this to happen- and even if we are a bid city, it still may not happen. It's a long shot but I think it's worth trying.

I also like the idea that the costs of the facilities and the task of figuring out a use for them after the games falls on a region, and not one city. Olympic Games often produce a lot of debt for host cities. Louisiana is on the front end if a period of major economic expansion. It's an interesting thought, and I'd love to hear your opinions on it.

Who is bidding that year? I imagine Houston, Tampa, and Los Angeles are likely candidates.

Baton Rouge is a better candidate for a MLS team than a Major League Baseball team, IMO. New Orleans may be able to handle an MLB team. Seems like MLB never expands - but maybe Tulane and the Zephers can use a new stadium.

Actually no city has announced a bid yet, it's prime time for BR and NOLA. 

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I might as well use this thread to say that I will be forming the New Orleans 2023 Bid Committee. City experts, urban planners, and sports specialist would be welcomed, We will begin the first steps to hosting by seeking approval and support by both the cities of Baton Rouge and New Orleans. Does anyone know how we can advertise to gather community support?

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I don't think its viable. The last four games have been held in the largest (or second largest) city in the country. As the games grow larger urban areas will be needed. Besides New Orleans would is deemed minor leagues in the eyes of PASO.

Welcome to Urban Planet.

 

How large have the games grown since 1987 when Indianapolis hosted it? Or in '99 when Winnipeg hosted it again?

 

The Pontraplex (thanks whoever came up with that!) will have around 2.5-3 million people by then. That's 4-5 times larger than Winnipeg in 1999.

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Welcome to Urban Planet.

 

How large have the games grown since 1987 when Indianapolis hosted it? Or in '99 when Winnipeg hosted it again?

 

The Pontraplex (thanks whoever came up with that!) will have around 2.5-3 million people by then. That's 4-5 times larger than Winnipeg in 1999.

 

Athletes have grown by a couple thousand. Overall the demands have grown. Winnipeg hosted for less then $800 million Canadian and happened to reuse a lot of facilities. However PASO now demands such things as an indoor velodrome (Winnipeg has a temporary one outdoors). Toronto's budget is 2.5 billion Canadian. I would assume doubled that would be needed for a New Orleans bid.

 

2007 - 12.6 million 

2011 - 4.5 million

2015 - 5.5 million

2019 - 9.7 million 

 

2019 - 

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Don't forget to add politicians. Both sides of the isle. Both metros.

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Athletes have grown by a couple thousand. Overall the demands have grown. Winnipeg hosted for less then $800 million Canadian and happened to reuse a lot of facilities. However PASO now demands such things as an indoor velodrome (Winnipeg has a temporary one outdoors). Toronto's budget is 2.5 billion Canadian. I would assume doubled that would be needed for a New Orleans bid.

 

2007 - 12.6 million 

2011 - 4.5 million

2015 - 5.5 million

2019 - 9.7 million 

 

2019 - 

Not necessarily, Toronto has had to build many new venues; NOLA on the other hand has close to 80% of the venues already in place. Only a few new venues would be constructed. And while the games cost money, the benefits greatly out-weigh the price tag. A city like Toronto is already a global city and the center of Canadian economics, they have a strong international reputation and the benefits from hosting will be less than expected. As for BR/NOLA a huge legacy would be established, not only would New Orleans receive vast amounts of cosmetic treatments but Baton Rouge and New Orleans would have some of the best sports facilities in the nation. Add the vast amounts of infrastructure improvements which both cities need, and the fact that both cities could keep tourist coming back based on each cities unique beauty, there you have a great Pan American success story. 

 

Both BR and NOLA a greatly lacking in areas that need attention to host the games, and by hosting  the games, all of the solutions (EX: light-rail systems and better roads coupled with a far better bus system) would be fast-tracked by local government and developers. Another advantage is the prices for the tax-payer will be considerably lower. The prices will be split between each city and the High Speed would be a state tax, on top of that between both cities I'm sure at least 2.5 billion could be collected by private funds. 

 

Overall this is very affordable for both cities and the state. 

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Not necessarily, Toronto has had to build many new venues; NOLA on the other hand has close to 80% of the venues already in place. Only a few new venues would be constructed. And while the games cost money, the benefits greatly out-weigh the price tag. A city like Toronto is already a global city and the center of Canadian economics, they have a strong international reputation and the benefits from hosting will be less than expected. As for BR/NOLA a huge legacy would be established, not only would New Orleans receive vast amounts of cosmetic treatments but Baton Rouge and New Orleans would have some of the best sports facilities in the nation. Add the vast amounts of infrastructure improvements which both cities need, and the fact that both cities could keep tourist coming back based on each cities unique beauty, there you have a great Pan American success story. 

 

Both BR and NOLA a greatly lacking in areas that need attention to host the games, and by hosting  the games, all of the solutions (EX: light-rail systems and better roads coupled with a far better bus system) would be fast-tracked by local government and developers. Another advantage is the prices for the tax-payer will be considerably lower. The prices will be split between each city and the High Speed would be a state tax, on top of that between both cities I'm sure at least 2.5 billion could be collected by private funds. 

 

Overall this is very affordable for both cities and the state. 

While it is refreshing at times, I believe you have to swallow your optimism here. It's a long shot in itself to think both cities and the state would consider such an adventurous endeavor and put in a bid. I agree that both cities would benefit greatly from the forgotten infrastructure, yet I cannot see many other benefits.

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While it is refreshing at times, I believe you have to swallow your optimism here. It's a long shot in itself to think both cities and the state would consider such an adventurous endeavor and put in a bid. I agree that both cities would benefit greatly from the forgotten infrastructure, yet I cannot see many other benefits.

I understand what your saying. The benefits really would be the transportation and further development, for this to happen the people must want it to happen. I think we are reaching a point where people will want to see these events here, and when that happens were ready for it. 

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