420 Church St. | 9-Story Residential

[jrs2]

On 5/12/2017 at 4:05 PM, gibby said:

I searched this week and I think 420 had only about 20 empty units for rent.

this is good, for them to forecast the need for 520.  I agree about Modera and CitiTower though...

[jgardnerucf]

Coming home at 4am for comparison for 520...

[bqknight]

Just got a letter at my door.

420 is now Camden Thornton Park. 

I don’t actively engage with my leasing office but I had no idea. Makes sense given 520 though. 

[spenser1058]

13 minutes ago, bqknight said:

Just got a letter at my door.

420 is now Camden Thornton Park. 

I don’t actively engage with my leasing office but I had no idea. Makes sense given 520 though. 

Hmmmm - South Eola is now Thornton Park - fascinating!

[dcluley98]

Yeah, I don't get it either. Technically, 520 would be closer to Thornton Park, and they are calling it "Camden Lake Eola".  

[bqknight]

56 minutes ago, dcluley98 said:

Yeah, I don't get it either. Technically, 520 would be closer to Thornton Park, and they are calling it "Camden Lake Eola".  

Since Eola was taken, I think they just chose the next best marketable area for around here. 

[dcluley98]

What about Aloe? haha. 

 

[spenser1058]

26 minutes ago, bqknight said:

Since Eola was taken, I think they just chose the next best marketable area for around here. 

Think of the possibilities once we unhinge the marketing folks from mere facts: Had we just renamed Lake Underhill Puget Sound, we could have landed HQ2 since it would sound just like home!

How about Oceanside Park instead of Gaston Edwards? Save time getting to the beach!

Edited September 24, 2018 by spenser1058

[Jernigan]

I would have just called the whole thing Camden Lake Eola and diversified the amenities?

[dwSouthEola]

20 hours ago, bqknight said:

Just got a letter at my door.

420 is now Camden Thornton Park. 

I don’t actively engage with my leasing office but I had no idea. Makes sense given 520 though. 

Do you have a pic/can share the announcement ? i am very curious who was involved in making this decision. Am going to reach out to Camden but curious to see what they put out first.

[dwSouthEola]

Camden said there was no real reason for changing the name to include "Thornton Park"

Seems legit. 

[Jernigan]

[Jernigan]

Permit submitted for a complete recaulking and painting of the exterior of 420.

[HankStrong]

I hope we get some orange to go with the teal & white.  Dolphins HQ.

[AmIReal]

13 hours ago, Jernigan said:

Permit submitted for a complete recaulking and painting of the exterior of 420.

Really, why? Have they had problems with leaks?

[popsiclebrandon]

2 hours ago, AmIReal said:

Really, why? Have they had problems with leaks?

Could be preventative. Post did it like 4-5 years ago to better protect the building. Then the new owners last year thought they should paint it again and put cheap paint over the sealant stuff and it just peels off in big chunks. It looks great.

[bqknight]

On 12/31/2019 at 8:37 AM, AmIReal said:

Really, why? Have they had problems with leaks?

My first apartment there had leaks - water started coming in during Irma in multiple locations. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a more common issue. 

I've mentioned it before but the place was built pretty....meh. Since Camden bought it, they've been fixing up a lot of things. Brighter lighting in the garages, work around the pool deck, it's been a pretty constant flow of small work being done. The elevators also ALWAYS break - I mean - one of them goes out of service at least twice a week. 

[nite owℓ]

58 minutes ago, bqknight said:

My first apartment there had leaks - water started coming in during Irma in multiple locations. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a more common issue. 

I've mentioned it before but the place was built pretty....meh. Since Camden bought it, they've been fixing up a lot of things. Brighter lighting in the garages, work around the pool deck, it's been a pretty constant flow of small work being done. The elevators also ALWAYS break - I mean - one of them goes out of service at least twice a week. 

 

Even though the building is concrete frame I believe the leaks have something to do with using an EIFS-like stucco as sheathing rather than using solid concrete walls (as seen in gibby's historical photo below). They might hold up ok during normal weather, but when it rains horizontally the water will find its way inside of the building envelope. If the building were wood frame, the moisture would lead to expensive repairs which is why I don't understand why developers insist on cutting corners to throw up OSB sheathing multifamily apartments. I find it misleading when these types of apartments then have the audacity to self appoint themselves as luxury apartments... the industry really should create a standard in order to be able to use that title IMO!

On 5/8/2015 at 2:41 PM, gibby said:

 

[Jvest55]

On 12/31/2019 at 8:37 AM, AmIReal said:

Really, why? Have they had problems with leaks?

I'll just leave this here

 

[bqknight]

There has been consistent construction on 420 over the last two months. I'm sure the work was planned prior to COVID but it's LOUD. Everywhere in the building. Tons of people are complaining - but it's extremely short sided of them. They blame Camden - who did not build this building. 

In all honesty, I think the building needed major work to help with support. Camden would not be doing this construction if they didn't have to - it would be a waste of money. There's cracks in the building, weird noises happen all the time and you can hear your upstairs neighbor thumping around all the time. 

Camden also stated that the building is getting a makeover. I assume if the appearance was going to change they would need to submit? I wouldn't be shocked if they were going to repaint. 520 looks nothing like 420. Guess we'll see...

[spenser1058]

Welcome to Orlando. Lousy architecture, lousy build. I was once told to never live in anything built here after the ‘60’s, as professionalism quickly gave way to shoddy construction. 

When Hurricane Andrew moved through Dade in the early ‘90’s, scores of houses built by developers like Arvida fell apart and blew away. Oddly, some of the most solid dwellings at the time were the ones built by Habitat For Humanity.

It’s shameful but apparently things haven’t changed much.

[codypet]

13 hours ago, bqknight said:

There has been consistent construction on 420 over the last two months. I'm sure the work was planned prior to COVID but it's LOUD. Everywhere in the building. Tons of people are complaining - but it's extremely short sided of them. They blame Camden - who did not build this building. 

In all honesty, I think the building needed major work to help with support. Camden would not be doing this construction if they didn't have to - it would be a waste of money. There's cracks in the building, weird noises happen all the time and you can hear your upstairs neighbor thumping around all the time. 

Camden also stated that the building is getting a makeover. I assume if the appearance was going to change they would need to submit? I wouldn't be shocked if they were going to repaint. 520 looks nothing like 420. Guess we'll see...

The Grande is dealing with the same thing right now.

[nite owℓ]

^^I saw that coming, posted this in the Union West at CV thread last year, but tried to be discrete about it:

 

On 2/9/2019 at 12:25 PM, nite owℓ said:

I wasn't aware of it, but yes this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Metrowest condos rack up $3.5M in fines for construction defects

There's another condo in our downtown core that appears to be going through undiagnosed water damage. I don't want to publicy name names, but regardless it seems like all wood framed structures with exterior sheathing/EIFS are bound to fail IMO. And when that time comes, are these apt/condo complexes really going to be able to pony up the money to make repairs?? I doubt it.

 

Not sure if you noticed, but you can see damage to the sheathing (painted in blue) in both of the pics I quoted.  (This might not be the best example since the building's frame appears to be concrete. It's the all wood frame buildings that I'm really concerned about.)

Pic 1: damage below the large window on both left and right sides

Pic 2: damage/shoddy work above the row of windows on the podium

 

This is why I keep railing against wood frame apartments built downtown: they aren't built to last. Even some of the new apartments towers with concrete framework are being sheathed with "styrofoam" exterior walls... how is this luxury again??  Wood frame in combination with EIFS exteriors are not a good combination especially in humid/rainy climates IMO. By the time the exterior starts to look bad, the damage that lies beneath is usually much worse. Repairs can be very costly and of course the HOA or mgmt company will have difficulty coughing up the cash to pay for expenses. Over the years, it will further lead to blight as no one will see it worth the money to continually maintain/repair a building that has lost its value. I've noticed a lot of units have been put up for sale in certain buildings over the past year. If they need to repaint to "seal the envelope" then they probably experienced water intrusion at some point. A guy who works for one of the larger pest control companies mentioned to me that one of the more well known "luxury" apartments downtown (wood frame) also had significant termite damage.

The only silver lining is when the building finally becomes worthless decades later, a developer will swoop in, buy the property and redevelop. But will they use wood frame again to save money or will they finally build something meant to last? Hopefully prefab concrete construction will eventually become a cost-effective alternative to wood in the future.

Edited May 7, 2020 by nite owℓ

[jack]

1 hour ago, nite owℓ said:

^^I saw that coming, posted this in the Union West at CV thread last year, but tried to be discrete about it:

 

This is why I keep railing against wood frame apartments built downtown: they aren't built to last. Even some of the new apartments towers with concrete framework are being sheathed with "styrofoam" exterior walls... how is this luxury again??  Wood frame in combination with EIFS exteriors are not a good combination especially in humid/rainy climates IMO. By the time the exterior starts to look bad, the damage that lies beneath is usually much worse. Repairs can be very costly and of course the HOA or mgmt company will have difficulty coughing up the cash to pay for expenses. Over the years, it will further lead to blight as no one will see it worth the money to continually maintain/repair a building that has lost its value. I've noticed a lot of units have been put up for sale in certain buildings over the past year. If they need to repaint to "seal the envelope" then they probably experienced water intrusion at some point. A guy who works for one of the larger pest control companies mentioned to me that one of the more well known "luxury" apartments downtown (wood frame) also had significant termite damage.

The only silver lining is when the building finally becomes worthless decades later, a developer will swoop in, buy the property and redevelop. But will they use wood frame again to save money or will they finally build something meant to last? Hopefully prefab concrete construction will eventually become a cost-effective alternative to wood in the future.

Your beef is more with maintenance, not the wood frame structure. It could also be shoddy installation but maintenance is typically the issue. Wood frame structures with stucco can last for a very very long time if properly maintained. 

Outside of Steele House, Camden north Orlando and Central Station, have there been any wood frame apartments built in downtown over the past 20 years? 

[nite owℓ]

32 minutes ago, jack said:

Your beef is more with maintenance, not the wood frame structure. It could also be shoddy installation but maintenance is typically the issue. Wood frame structures with stucco can last for a very very long time if properly maintained. 

Outside of Steele House, Camden north Orlando and Central Station, have there been any wood frame apartments built in downtown over the past 20 years? 

*posted in error

Edited May 7, 2020 by nite owℓ