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I love this photo not just because it's showing progress and looks all summery,  but hopefully it will end this boring ass discussion about movies in the parking lot that's been happening all week. 

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Fortunately, I saved the rendering to my phone. :)

 

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I think Concept Design Group is allergic to screened parking. Eesh. The city should really start taking issue with this. One floor up from ground floor still affects the aesthetic of the ground floor. 

Speaking of that site, I was over in that area the other day and got a picture looking South toward MSU and The Rowe. If it weren't for the highway, it would feel like it was in the same neighborhood. 

 

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I think once the whole MSU "site" gets built, it will seem much more contiguous- at least from a skyline view. The Post office along with the Highway makes that section of Monroe feel totally isolated from the rest of the city. It's a long, lonely walk to Michigan. :)

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If I'm reading this right and it says 275 feet, it'd be just a bit taller than the Bridgewater Place.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Grand_Rapids

 

 

Actually it says 175 ft which would make it the 11th but I think it is actually a bit taller if you look at the rendering (the 275 is not an indicator of height as it starts above 100 at ground level). Looks like it is about 185-190 feet to me.

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This garage design should be criminal. I honestly can't understand how they think this is okay. I also don't understand how the City continues to allow this to happen. 

I don't think there's anything the current code to prevent it. The language is mostly pertaining to ground floor. But it's really awful. None of the standalone parking garages look this bad, so why allow this?

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I don't think there's anything the current code to prevent it. The language is mostly pertaining to ground floor. But it's really awful. None of the standalone parking garages look this bad, so why allow this?

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Those floors look like they're still under construction.

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Those floors look like they're still under construction.

 

This is the FINISHED product on Arena Place, where the parking garage is. Get used to it, the future of downtown Grand Rapids. I do like how I can see what brand of car is parking in the garage, count the German vs Swedish vs American made cars. Keeps the kids from getting bored. 

 

It's basically the architectural equivalent of a plumber showing butt crack. 

 

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This is the FINISHED product on Arena Place, where the parking garage is. Get used to it, the future of downtown Grand Rapids. I do like how I can see what brand of car is parking in the garage, count the German vs Swedish vs American made cars. Keeps the kids from getting bored. 

 

It's basically the architectural equivalent of a plumber showing butt crack. 

 

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Remind me again which group of talentless hacks designed this building?  Oh, wait.  Concept Design!!11!!!!1!!!!  They say their clients "understand the value of good design" as their tagline, or some nonsense like that.  No.  No, they do not if my eyes are any guide.  They appear to understand the value of cheap.  And while it is perfectly possible to combine cheap with attractive, Concept Design IMHO is apparently clueless about how to do it.  My god are these awful.

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Actually it says 175 ft which would make it the 11th but I think it is actually a bit taller if you look at the rendering (the 275 is not an indicator of height as it starts above 100 at ground level). Looks like it is about 185-190 feet to me.

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Ok, I thought that over 200 feet would be strange. Thanks!

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This is the FINISHED product on Arena Place, where the parking garage is. Get used to it, the future of downtown Grand Rapids. I do like how I can see what brand of car is parking in the garage, count the German vs Swedish vs American made cars. Keeps the kids from getting bored. 

 

It's basically the architectural equivalent of a plumber showing butt crack. 

 

 

Did you know that floors 6-12 of this iconic building are parking levels?  Concept Design would like you to envision how much nicer it would look if they had left those floors open instead of integrating them into the overall look of the building.

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I don't think there's anything the current code to prevent it. The language is mostly pertaining to ground floor. But it's really awful. None of the standalone parking garages look this bad, so why allow this?

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Which parties would oppose changes to code that would require parking garages from being screened? This really seems to be a GR-thing (or a Concept thing?), as I rarely see this type of garage design in other cities.  

GR has decent requirements from screening parking in surface lots...but screening requirements apply to all parking types? Most growing cities (vs ones that are begging for any development) have code requirements that require a level of architectural treatment to screen garages....most stringently the requirement is an active use (meaning a parking space can not be adjacent to the facade), others require a combination of active use, or architectural or art panels. Architectural panels are commonplace in Chicago. 

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GR has decent requirements from screening parking in surface lots...but screening requirements apply to all parking types? Most growing cities (vs ones that are begging for any development) have code requirements that require a level of architectural treatment to screen garages....most stringently the requirement is an active use (meaning a parking space can not be adjacent to the facade), others require a combination of active use, or architectural or art panels. Architectural panels are commonplace in Chicago. 

I've said it before and I'll say it again:  If you look at buildings from the sidewalk, the parking lot firms that designed the Ellis ramp and the Monroe Center ramp have a substantially higher level of urban design talent than the majority of architects currently being hired to design actual buildings in this city.  It's a sad, sad commentary on the state of affairs.  

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The Rivers Edge project has been amended a bit to put restaurant seating on the river side of the building (they're seeking a variance). The restaurant has a name, "Shell - A Raw Bar", which I can't imagine they have a restaurant tenant already??

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So they screened the first level but not the rest..

 

The first floor is also retail, & apartment entrance/lounge, so they had to have a facade for that.  Adding a facade on a building costs money.  How can you expect anyone to add a facade to a whole building?!  That's just crazy talk. :P   

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The first floor is also retail, & apartment entrance/lounge, so they had to have a facade for that.  Adding a facade on a building costs money.  How can you expect anyone to add a facade to a whole building?!  That's just crazy talk. :P   

 

Following the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law. I would imagine the Monroe Terrace and Spectrum/Brass Works people may have something to say about it. Maybe even the Monroe North Business Association. 

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