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1 minute ago, Pattmost20 said:

Jolly Pumpkin, North Peak, and Grizzly Peak are all under the Northern United Brewing Company umbrella (as well as Bonafide Wines and Civilized Spirits).  I believe at all JP locations they sell their other brands of beer for those that are not into barrel aged/sour beers. 

Ah, great to know!!  Thanks for the info :)

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So this is really fascinating. Fast forward 3 years from now, and what does Bridge Street become? A mecca for beer lovers for one, with at least 4 breweries and probably a few more added in that time period. But none of them are local? So a beer tourist comes to GR and finds themselves on Bridge Street and says to the bartender, "WOW, Grand Rapids really has some great local beer. What's the secret?"  Bartender: "We're not local." Repeat that 4 or 5 times throughout the night.  :)

I'm not saying it's bad it's just odd to think about.

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9 minutes ago, GRDadof3 said:

So this is really fascinating. Fast forward 3 years from now, and what does Bridge Street become? A mecca for beer lovers for one, with at least 4 breweries and probably a few more added in that time period. But none of them are local? So a beer tourist comes to GR and finds themselves on Bridge Street and says to the bartender, "WOW, Grand Rapids really has some great local beer. What's the secret?"  Bartender: "We're not local." Repeat that 4 or 5 times throughout the night.  :)

I'm not saying it's bad it's just odd to think about.

Harmony Hall is, but I get your point. It can just act as a good showcase for what the rest of Michigan has to offer.

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Actually I kind of think that's what would make beer tourism legit.  Grand Rapids becoming such a beer city that it's not just the local scene, it's a statewide scene.  If Grand Rapids starts getting tap rooms from out of state breweries that would be another notch in the belt.  Bridge St would be some thing of a beer tasting district, like an amusement park for adults :D

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37 minutes ago, MJLO said:

Actually I kind of think that's what would make beer tourism legit.  Grand Rapids becoming such a beer city that it's not just the local scene, it's a statewide scene.  If Grand Rapids starts getting tap rooms from out of state breweries that would be another notch in the belt.  Bridge St would be some thing of a beer tasting district, like an amusement park for adults :D

Oh yeah, I'm not saying it's going to be bad at all. It will be tremendous for beer tourism. Would be nice though to see an even mix of local GR and other Michigan-made, especially if it becomes "ground zero" for craft breweries, with such a high density cluster there.  The ultimate win would be for Founders to open a small experimental taproom on Bridge. :ph34r:

And yes, speaking of amusement parks, Bridge might be the street to try out "car free weekend nights," and not Ionia. And allow open containers outside. 

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44 minutes ago, MJLO said:

Actually I kind of think that's what would make beer tourism legit.  Grand Rapids becoming such a beer city that it's not just the local scene, it's a statewide scene.  If Grand Rapids starts getting tap rooms from out of state breweries that would be another notch in the belt.  Bridge St would be some thing of a beer tasting district, like an amusement park for adults :D

There is at least 1 out of state brewery looking at GR. It is still a ways away, and they are looking at a few other midwest cities.

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19 hours ago, localtalent said:

Got a postcard for public hearing notice:

'449, 453, 457 & 499 Bridge St NW
Greg Lobdell is requesting approval for outdoor seating, live entertainment, and a bar within a proposed 5-story mixed-use building.'

Greg is Northern United Brewing Company (Jolly Pumpkin, among others). The site is Red Lion. 

Commence speculation!

It looks like the ground floor user is listed as  a restaraunt-bar called "North" and a lower level (basement?) bar called MASH. 

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21 minutes ago, GRJohn said:

I wonder if it will be like Mash in Ann Arbor which is below Blue Tractor.  

Probably a good guess, as Mash owner Jon Carlson is a partner with Greg Lobdell:

http://www.annarbor.com/business-review/mash-whiskey-and-beer-bar-to-replace-cafe-habana-cellar-lounge-in-downtown-ann-arbor/

I hope the North restaurant upstairs has a chef, as we could use some more good food offerings and not just craft beer with semi crappy food (ahem, New Holland)

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Is it possible that Jolly Pumpkin will be a temporary location until this development is complete (I love Jolly Pumpkin beer. And if you haven't been to their Old Mission location, you need to visit if you are up in Traverse)? Think they'd move across the street if/when this development is complete? 

Bridge will still be a pretty impressive mix of breweries and distilleries if speculation is true. As for the local aspect, Long Road and Harmony are homegrown. I still think it definitely bolsters our Beer City moniker. :)

Joe

 

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1 hour ago, joeDowntown said:

Is it possible that Jolly Pumpkin will be a temporary location until this development is complete (I love Jolly Pumpkin beer. And if you haven't been to their Old Mission location, you need to visit if you are up in Traverse)? Think they'd move across the street if/when this development is complete? 

Bridge will still be a pretty impressive mix of breweries and distilleries if speculation is true. As for the local aspect, Long Road and Harmony are homegrown. I still think it definitely bolsters our Beer City moniker. :)

Joe

 

Long Road is on Leonard. :) Mitten is homegrown too, and Gray Line. I was mainly just talking about Bridge St, not the whole West Siiiiiide

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1 hour ago, joeDowntown said:

Is it possible that Jolly Pumpkin will be a temporary location until this development is complete (I love Jolly Pumpkin beer. And if you haven't been to their Old Mission location, you need to visit if you are up in Traverse)? Think they'd move across the street if/when this development is complete? 

Bridge will still be a pretty impressive mix of breweries and distilleries if speculation is true. As for the local aspect, Long Road and Harmony are homegrown. I still think it definitely bolsters our Beer City moniker. :)

Joe

 

My understanding is that significant investment is going into the Black Heron location for Jolly Pumpkin and that will be their permanent spot.

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Here's the floorplan for North, and the site plan for the building. No renderings yet but I would bet the developer will show them off at the Nov. 9th PC meeting. Red Lion is planned to be demolished. 

 

 

North - West Side - site plan.jpg

North - West Side - floorplan.jpg

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28 minutes ago, GRDadof3 said:

Here's the floorplan for North, and the site plan for the building. No renderings yet but I would bet the developer will show them off at the Nov. 9th PC meeting. Red Lion is planned to be demolished. 

 

 

North - West Side - site plan.jpg

North - West Side - floorplan.jpg

 

If you zoom in on sheet A101 near the center of the building  it says "North Peak Brewing."

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2 hours ago, MJLO said:

Did I hear someone say that building is planned to be 5 stories?

Yes that was mentioned.  Again, if you look at the zoom of the first floor - floor plan, it identifies an apartment lobby on the east side of the building.   Looks like they are  going for a multi use set up, similar to the New Holland/Rockford complex down the street.   

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3 hours ago, GRDadof3 said:

Here's the floorplan for North, and the site plan for the building. No renderings yet but I would bet the developer will show them off at the Nov. 9th PC meeting. Red Lion is planned to be demolished. 

 

 

North - West Side - site plan.jpg

North - West Side - floorplan.jpg

Nice scoop!

 

Also, as speculated, spiral staircase to Mash bar. 

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Nice! So so far, 5 stories, mixed-use with North Peak Brewery on the first floor, Mash on the 2nd (at least part of it) and apartments above.

That'll be great. I hope someone saves the signs. In fact, if someone is lurking on the forum that is connected to the development, I'd love to take them off your hands. Send me a message by clicking on my profile. :)

Joe

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Yes Joe, save the Red Lion signs!

Does anyone know who owns Kale's Corner, and if they are going to make any kind of effort?   Windows would be a nice starting point.

 

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12 minutes ago, mpchicago said:

Yes Joe, save the Red Lion signs!

Does anyone know who owns Kale's Corner, and if they are going to make any kind of effort?   Windows would be a nice starting point.

 

Growing up, the owner Kale, used to live across the street from us. He wasn't the friendliest neighbor. The bar that bares his name isn't either. I would imagine they make zero effort to improve their establishment. 

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I was told today that Sovengard was likely going to fill the space where Conscious Collective was. It makes perfect sense from their position, though I will admit that it is painful (as a retailer) to see more and more space become exclusively food and beverage focused. I think I've got to accept that Bridge Street is going to be a food/dining district almost exclusively with the exception of Meijer and a few other things here and there. 

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20 minutes ago, GVSUChris said:

I was told today that Sovengard was likely going to fill the space where Conscious Collective was. It makes perfect sense from their position, though I will admit that it is painful (as a retailer) to see more and more space become exclusively food and beverage focused. I think I've got to accept that Bridge Street is going to be a food/dining district almost exclusively with the exception of Meijer and a few other things here and there. 

The Meijer development will have quite of bit of Retail sqft available for rent. With all of the new apartments coming with it, it might open up the opportunity for more diverse retail. Although the prices they are trying to charge might scare off most types of retail.

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2 hours ago, HavingAhoot said:

North Restaurant or North Peak Brewing???

 

It's proposed by Greg Lobdell who owns North Peak Brewing but it says the name will be "North." Maybe they're branding it more as a "restaurant" as opposed to a brewpub. 

Here's the narrative from Concept Design:

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1 hour ago, joeDowntown said:

Nice! So so far, 5 stories, mixed-use with North Peak Brewery on the first floor, Mash on the 2nd (at least part of it) and apartments above.

That'll be great. I hope someone saves the signs. In fact, if someone is lurking on the forum that is connected to the development, I'd love to take them off your hands. Send me a message by clicking on my profile. :)

Joe

I believe Mash is going to be in the basement, floors 2 - 5 residential.  At least, that's what someone said previously back up a page or so ago. 

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37 minutes ago, GVSUChris said:

I was told today that Sovengard was likely going to fill the space where Conscious Collective was. It makes perfect sense from their position, though I will admit that it is painful (as a retailer) to see more and more space become exclusively food and beverage focused. I think I've got to accept that Bridge Street is going to be a food/dining district almost exclusively with the exception of Meijer and a few other things here and there. 

Yes, but with the open garage door concept and produce bins out at the sidewalk like Meijer is planning, it will be a "food destination" for sure even with Meijer there. Sorry, Bridge Street Market. :)

1 hour ago, thebeerqueer said:

 

Nice scoop!

 

Also, as speculated, spiral staircase to Mash bar. 

I know I was so sluethy! I emailed the Planning Department and they sent everything right over. :) They didn't have renderings though, yet. 

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