Crescent Stonewall Station

[15895]

DC is struggling and bleeding ridership and Same for lots of cities. And as we all probably saw, Charlotte is #1 for declining ridership. 

 

I think this is a great balance of urban TOD with great pedestrian levels and activity & living in the reality that in the majority of large American cities, we always will be auto oriented. Would the Whole Foods be viable without so much parking? Would we have gotten Whole Foods without that parking deck? Would we prefer a smaller deck with no real pedestrian activation other than gym for the residents or the deck and Whole Foods? Which of the options would be better for urban Charlotte and for walk ability?

 

 

[Guest]

DC is struggling and bleeding ridership and Same for lots of cities. And as we all probably saw, Charlotte is #1 for declining ridership. 
 
I think this is a great balance of urban TOD with great pedestrian levels and activity & living in the reality that in the majority of large American cities, we always will be auto oriented. Would the Whole Foods be viable without so much parking? Would we have gotten Whole Foods without that parking deck? Would we prefer a smaller deck with no real pedestrian activation other than gym for the residents or the deck and Whole Foods? Which of the options would be better for urban Charlotte and for walk ability?
 
 

Honestly, from what I understand, they wouldn’t have gotten financing without a ton of parking.


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[tozmervo]

48 minutes ago, sakami said:

Does an art work nstallation on the corner override the rest of the terrible parking deck? I know there are lots of terrible parking structures that back up to highways but no matter what they do there I cannot get past the parking deck on 277. Am I wrong? I’m genuinely excited about this project and can’t wait for Whole Foods to open but I curse that parking deck every.single.time I drive by. 

Oh no, the deck and it's size are miserable. But I'm totally intrigued by the sculptural opportunity. 

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

48 minutes ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

DC is struggling and bleeding ridership and Same for lots of cities. And as we all probably saw, Charlotte is #1 for declining ridership. 

 

I think this is a great balance of urban TOD with great pedestrian levels and activity & living in the reality that in the majority of large American cities, we always will be auto oriented. Would the Whole Foods be viable without so much parking? Would we have gotten Whole Foods without that parking deck? Would we prefer a smaller deck with no real pedestrian activation other than gym for the residents or the deck and Whole Foods? Which of the options would be better for urban Charlotte and for walk ability?

 

 

That is due to low fuel prices. We are seeing an increase in prices, and will likely see increases in ridership with better weather and higher fuel prices. Not sure where Charlotte is #1 for "declining ridership", however.

[CLT2014]

6 hours ago, CarolinaDaydreamin said:

 Not sure where Charlotte is #1 for "declining ridership", however.

CATS ridership is down 19% this year, the most of any large city.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article209424959.html

[15895]

10 hours ago, CarolinaDaydreamin said:

That is due to low fuel prices. We are seeing an increase in prices, and will likely see increases in ridership with better weather and higher fuel prices. Not sure where Charlotte is #1 for "declining ridership", however.

 

I have to call BS on fuel prices. I call bs on bikeshare resulting in declines too mentioned by the city (of anything, it should increase ridership IMO)

 

I think it is a combination of gentrification, The extremely terrible bus route map that turned a 7 minute car trip into a 2 hour affair (the #1 culprit of declines imo) for bus declines and Uber/Lyft for light rail declines. 

 

It just doesn’t make sense to me that even if gas went up significantly, people would decide to take the bus. The cost of public transportation regularly is more expensive IMO particularly if you already have a car and most people are stuck with car loans. Maybe with better  economic times, people are able to get financing for cars these days. 

 

The bus just sucks for everyone no matter how you slice it and the only thing to increase ridership is if people can’t buy a car, aren’t allowed to drive or they have car issues. Imagine you’re middle to lower income. You live in a cheap neighborhood off of Archdale or Arrowood. Say you work at a restaurant near Montfort near Woodlawn/Park.  By the time you walk, say 2 miles to the nearest stop playing frogger.... wait on bus... wait on light rail... wait on the bus. Walk 1/2 a mile playing frogger. Literally could be 1.5 hours easy vs. 10-15 minutes in a car from door to door. That’s just to get to work. Imagine doing everything you needed using CATS. Consider even light rail has around 15 or 20 minute non peak frequency. The buses sometimes have up to 30 minute frequencies. 

Edited May 2, 2018 by AirNostrumMAD

[SgtCampsalot]

49 minutes ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

The bus just sucks for everyone no matter how you slice it and the only thing to increase ridership is if people can’t buy a car, aren’t allowed to drive or they have car issues. Imagine you’re middle to lower income. You live in a cheap neighborhood off of Archdale or Arrowood. Say you work at a restaurant near Montfort near Woodlawn/Park.  By the time you walk, say 2 miles to the nearest stop playing frogger.... wait on bus... wait on light rail... wait on the bus. Walk 1/2 a mile playing frogger. Literally could be 1.5 hours easy vs. 10-15 minutes in a car from door to door. That’s just to get to work. Imagine doing everything you needed using CATS. Consider even light rail has around 15 or 20 minute non peak frequency. The buses sometimes have up to 30 minute frequencies. 

It's true. I like riding it as a luxury/recreation from my car, but I lived without a car for years, and it sucks ass.
 

I wait for the day Charlotte has enough services/crap around each neighborhood to justify any given renter/young person to not have a car. I recall living in Boston and getting around on foot/bike/transit felt like a vacation from my car. In Charlotte it felt like a punitive sentence for me not being privileged enough to afford car repairs.

[KJHburg]

Stonewall Station today all angles the hotel, the Whole Foods, the apartments, the great wall, the artwork etc.  Love this for what it does for uptown not speaking architecturally but retail and residential wise.  (Lots of new residents in a formerly dead zone) Warning: photo overload haven't been uptown in almost 2 weeks. 

[KJHburg]

June 13 is the opening day for Whole Foods https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2018/05/02/whole-foods-reveals-opening-date-for-uptown-store.html?ana=TRUEANTHEMTWT_CH&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5ae9ee9604d301488b636fea&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

[Cadi40]

Other than the Great Wall, I think this project has grown on me. Wether you like the architecture or not, you have to admit this project did a lot to Stonewall bringing a MUCH needed grocery store, retail and adding to uptown’s population. 

[Crucial_Infra]

Edited May 3, 2018 by Crucial_Infra

[jordan704]

[J-Rob]

I wasn’t a fan of the beige brick, but this art installation actually might bring the project together better than I expected!






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[11 HouseBZ]

How much is the screen to cover? Just the corner? All the way around? 

[Crucial_Infra]

If it's just the corner, then it's not enough

[Guest]

How much is the screen to cover? Just the corner? All the way around? 

They are saying 18,000 sq feet. Which is pretty significant, but we will see if it’s enough. I’m still skeptical 🤨


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[15895]

Hopefully the exterior portions  

will look this great! 

 

Now I’m a little disappointed with the green blue thing on the parking deck compared to this awesome mural that I assume is inward facing to residents only 

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Like the murals...not sure they fit the rest of the project but I give them credit for trying.

[SgtCampsalot]

14 minutes ago, JBS said:

Like the murals...not sure they fit the rest of the project but I give them credit for trying.

IMHO, many of the 70s/80s office towers with cement facades would benefit from some Charlotte Muralist art like the above pic. Sure, it would clash big-time, but truly anywhere is "up" with some of those buildings

My  first two candidates would be this joker on McDowell St, and the stellar BB&T building

 

[Crucial_Infra]

2 hours ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

Well that's a surprise. Did anyone of you all know this was part of the plan? I'd only read about the wanderwall. This looks great imo. Anything's better than blank beige. 

Edited May 7, 2018 by Crucial_Infra

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Crucial_Infra said:

Well that's a surprise. Did anyone of you all know this was part of the plan? I'd only read about the Wonderwall. This looks great imo. Anything's better than blank beige. 

I did a critique of the building a few months back for C5, and spoke to Michael Tubridy (probably a reader, so hi Michael!), from Crescent, he indicated there is a lot of "fits and finishes" left on the building to flesh out. I'm sure theres more coming in addition to this and wanderwall.

Edited May 7, 2018 by Guest

[tozmervo]

8 minutes ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

I did a critique of the building a few months back for C5, and spoke to Michael Tubridy (probably a reader, so hi Michael!), from Crescent, he indicated there is a lot of "fits and finishes" left on the building to flesh out. I'm sure theres more coming in addition to this and wanderwall.

oh god. now i'm going to start humming wonderwall every time i see that thing.

[QCxpat]

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Removed by author. A down vote for my post is unwarranted and sickening, and hurts my feelings.

[Guest]

oh god. now i'm going to start humming wonderwall every time i see that thing.

Bingo, already a big problem for me.


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