Nashville Yards, 15 acres/4 million sq. ft./ $1 billion, Phase I: Grand Hyatt Hotel (25 stories), Phase II: Amazon (26 & 22 stories), Phase III: AEG District (4 K theater, 34 & 35 story apts); Phase IV: Pinnacle Tower (35 stories), Amazon 3 (43)

[PruneTracy]

1 hour ago, nashvylle said:

I guess my question is, is there any way we could move csx completely out of davidson county, or do they have to use davidson county for their operations. 

For CSX to leave the county completely, the many industrial spurs serving Davidson County businesses would have to be closed. A lot of places don't use these anymore (having moved to trucks), but many still do, and of course it's more efficient to load railcars directly, even when using multimodal containers. No CSX = more trucks on local roadways.

[Hey_Hey]

I’m sure CSX would entertain the idea for the right price. Of course, the right price may be cost prohibitive for Metro and surrounding counties.

In my mind they should be subject to imminent domain just like any of us would. I’m sure there is something limiting that legally, but I don’t think their property should be any more sacrosanct than my property. If certain property could be used to improve the lives of hundreds of thousands of people then an imminent domain claim could force them to the table. 

[Pdt2f]

2 hours ago, Hey_Hey said:

I’m sure CSX would entertain the idea for the right price. Of course, the right price may be cost prohibitive for Metro and surrounding counties.

In my mind they should be subject to imminent domain just like any of us would. I’m sure there is something limiting that legally, but I don’t think their property should be any more sacrosanct than my property. If certain property could be used to improve the lives of hundreds of thousands of people then an imminent domain claim could force them to the table. 

Their property is currently being used to improve the lives of hundreds of thousands. They bring the coal we use to keep our homes warm and our lights on. They could very well end service to Nashville if we tried to nationalize (for lack of a better term) their property, thus creating a catestrophic local energy crisis. It would be extreme, but so would reversing 100+ years of how governments deal with the rail companies. 

[fishsticks176]

19 minutes ago, Pdt2f said:

Their property is currently being used to improve the lives of hundreds of thousands. They bring the coal we use to keep our homes warm and our lights on. They could very well end service to Nashville if we tried to nationalize (for lack of a better term) their property, thus creating a catestrophic local energy crisis. It would be extreme, but so would reversing 100+ years of how governments deal with the rail companies. 

Let's just load the coal and other freight into a fleet of self-driving church vans. They can carry all of the coal together and then make individual stops at each one of our houses for drop-off. Problem solved; No need for rail. 

[samsonh]

34 minutes ago, Pdt2f said:

Their property is currently being used to improve the lives of hundreds of thousands. They bring the coal we use to keep our homes warm and our lights on. They could very well end service to Nashville if we tried to nationalize (for lack of a better term) their property, thus creating a catestrophic local energy crisis. It would be extreme, but so would reversing 100+ years of how governments deal with the rail companies. 

Which plants use coal in middle Tennessee? I don’t believe any are currently in use but I could be wrong.

[Pdt2f]

31 minutes ago, samsonh said:

Which plants use coal in middle Tennessee? I don’t believe any are currently in use but I could be wrong.

I don’t know, but I see massive amounts of coal being shipped through Nashville all the time, most recently this morning in Madison. 

[samsonh]

17 minutes ago, Pdt2f said:

I don’t know, but I see massive amounts of coal being shipped through Nashville all the time, most recently this morning in Madison. 

Gotcha, lots of coal is transported via barge. But coal is quickly becoming economically obsolete due to natural gas. Google coal plan retirements if you find it intriguing like I do,  it’s pretty interesting how quickly it’s all happening.

[NashRugger]

1 hour ago, samsonh said:

Which plants use coal in middle Tennessee? I don’t believe any are currently in use but I could be wrong.

Gallatin is the big power producer for the area and ships in coal via barge. They still have rail lines to the plant just in case but haven't been used for that specific delivery in decades. 

There are two others in Middle TN as well, Cumberland southwest of Clarksville in Houston County and Johnsonville near Waverly on the TN River in Humphreys County.

[samsonh]

1 hour ago, NashRugger said:

Gallatin is the big power producer for the area and ships in coal via barge. They still have rail lines to the plant just in case but haven't been used for that specific delivery in decades. 

There are two others in Middle TN as well, Cumberland southwest of Clarksville in Houston County and Johnsonville near Waverly on the TN River in Humphreys County.

Forgot about gallatin, Johnsonville no longer uses coal. Edit: most of the TVA plants are aging and losing economic efficiency. You will continue to see them phased out, particularly because natural gas is so cheap.

Edited April 8, 2018 by samsonh

[Hey_Hey]

5 hours ago, Pdt2f said:

Their property is currently being used to improve the lives of hundreds of thousands. They bring the coal we use to keep our homes warm and our lights on. They could very well end service to Nashville if we tried to nationalize (for lack of a better term) their property, thus creating a catestrophic local energy crisis. It would be extreme, but so would reversing 100+ years of how governments deal with the rail companies. 

I'm not proposing taking all of their track (although the threat of that could very well being them to the table). In fact, I'm a huge proponent of moving products by rail because of the myriad benefits. However, when a railroad company banks land like Radnor Yards and isn't using it to its fullest potential then I think it is a reasonable proposal to use some of that for the greater good.  Just like farmland can be taken to build a school, fire station, or road, unused railroad property should be within the reach of society to use for the greater good.  Don't forget, railroads were given incredibly preferential treatment at the outset in the way of land grants, easements, etc., when they were first being constructed. It's a little disingenuous for a company whose very existence rested on the government giving them land to then turn around and be unwilling to work with government to provide transit services for its citizens. 

[Hey_Hey]

1 hour ago, samsonh said:

Forgot about gallatin, Johnsonville no longer uses coal. Edit: most of the TVA plants are aging and losing economic efficiency. You will continue to see them phased out, particularly because natural gas is so cheap.

****Way off topic*****

Coal is on its last breath.  Natural gas terminally injured it and solar and wind are driving the nails in the coffin.   Interestingly, solar and wind couple with batteries may be in the early stages of killing gas plants as they have become the cheapest way to produce electricity. 

[Guest]

Coal is out of favor only because hydraulic fracking dramatically increases supply of natural gas. A very good thing and a vindication for those of us touting technology and innovation as a path forward when many on this board were screaming 'Peak Oil' and 'ManBearPig' theories back in 2008.

There are some novel ways solar (and other renewables) coupled with batteries are being used. I am unaware of any which are capable of supplanting hydrocarbon in any of its forms. 

[markhollin]

Apparently the 11 story Sullivan Tower will not be imploded.  Southwest Value Partners says internal environmental abatement work is completed and demolition work has begun.  The materials recovered during demolition of the building will be substantially recycled and repurposed.
 

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/article/21000220/fifth-broadway-project-lands-366m-permit

[MidTenn1]

I updated my cards to isolate some of the separate components of the development. I checked the website to validate some of the data and to update the renderings.

 

If Phase 1 is the Hyatt and demolition/site prep, then I have to feel Phase II should start within the year (no inside information, except for my gut).

[markhollin]

^ ^ ^ As alway, great work on these cards, Pete (PHofKS)!  Here's a new Amenity & Connections diagram and some slight updated info from The Tennessean today:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2018/04/11/nashville-yards-green-space-park-hotel-tenants/501235002/

 

[PillowTalk4]

So, this developer is going to adhere to the traditional Nashville 30 story rule as well....  What is it with these developers and their fear or lack of vision to go over 30 stories in Nashville?   I know this could very well change depending on demand and/or if they land an actual tenant for a tower.  I just think this site would be ideal for 2-3 towers ranging in a mix of 30 -50 stories tall.  One of those 3 could be a residential building with a boutique hotel on the lower flowers.  I understand converting older buildings into boutique hotels.  I see no purpose in using valuable land space for constructing a 5-10 story boutique hotel. 

I do applaud the open space they now plan to incorporate into the project.  You can still achieve density while also creating open space.  I also like the idea of incorporating entertainment into the area.  This will help to expand the footprint of where locals and tourist congregate and hopefully increase the diversity in the cultural scene in downtown.

[MidTenn1]

Some smart poster explained that basically building the 30th floor may cost one price, but building the 31st floor comes at a different price because you start to need a separate bank of elevators and that expands the footprint of the building. Unless you have tenants that are willing to pay extra to be in such a tall building, it's just not economically feasible to have anything taller than 30ish.

It makes a lot of sense because good elevator service is of major importance. I worked in the Polk Tower for most of 20 years and I can attest to that.  

If....and it's a big if.....Amazon decides to locate in Nashville, Nashville Yards is one of the proposed locations. We would see some very tall buildings then, I would suppose.

My crude, unofficial rendering....

You could probably add the West End Summit to this proposal now, although extending the trolley line would be problematical.

Excuse the '1100' typo, I was informed that 100 acres was only required for a suburban location, so this proposal could meet the Amazon requirements.

[Bos2Nash]

21 hours ago, PHofKS said:

Some smart poster explained that basically building the 30th floor may cost one price, but building the 31st floor comes at a different price because you start to need a separate bank of elevators and that expands the footprint of the building. Unless you have tenants that are willing to pay extra to be in such a tall building, it's just not economically feasible to have anything taller than 30ish.

This is interesting to think about. Is the additional bank because of time it would take to move the elevator cars up and down without developing long waits on floors?

[MidTenn1]

16 minutes ago, Bos2Nash said:

This is interesting to think about. Is the additional bank because of time it would take to move the elevator cars up and down without developing long waits on floors?

My experience working in a 28ish story building is, yes the wait for an elevator can be long, but mainly the lunch/quitting time rush when people on lower floors push the up button so they won't have to wait for the upper floors to clear out before getting an empty elevator. The upper floors didn't care much for that either, seeing the doors open with lower floor people and would sometimes reach in and push all the buttons so the lowers would have to stop at every floor on the way down. It got real stupid.

Sounds like some dystopian, class warfare novel, only funny. They finally allowed staggered work hours and that calmed things down.

So, yes. More elevators is better.

[SoundScan]

An unfortunate side effect of this mega-development: The Frist will be shutting down its Rome antiquities exhibit on loan from the British Museum a month and a half early due to ongoing vibration concerns from the blasting across the street.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/2018/04/16/frist-nashville-rome-exhibit-british-museum-shut-down-early-downtown-construction/522488002/

[Neigeville2]

1 hour ago, SoundScan said:

An unfortunate side effect of this mega-development: The Frist will be shutting down its Rome antiquities exhibit on loan from the British Museum a month and a half early due to ongoing vibration concerns from the blasting across the street.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/2018/04/16/frist-nashville-rome-exhibit-british-museum-shut-down-early-downtown-construction/522488002/

Well I'm glad I've already seen it, it was interesting.  And while you're there don't miss the Nick Cave exhibit, it's remarkable.

 

^this bead curtain thing is far more complex than this picture can show, it changes as you walk around it.

Edited April 17, 2018 by Neigeville2

[volsfanwill]

that sucks, Im glad i went to see the Rome exhibit on my birthday.  I really enjoyed it.

[Pdt2f]

It says in the article that they’re offering free admission to see the Rome exhibit on Friday, before the removal takes place Saturday. I’m dragging the wife and kid there for sure. 

[LA_TN]

View from the Frist Center

[markhollin]

Looking SE from Church St. Viaduct, near 11th Ave. North overpass:

Looking SW from Church St. Viaduct, near 10th Ave. overpass:

Looking south from Church St. Viaduct, near 10th Ave. overpass:




Looking SE from Church St. Viaduct, near 10th Ave. overpass:




Looking south from Church St. Viaduct, 1/2 block west of 9th Ave. North:

Looking NE from Church St. Viaduct near Gulch Greenway overpass at the lot where the 30+ story office tower will eventually be located:

Demo fencing now up around Sullivan Tower.  Looking NW from intersection of 9th Ave. North and Commerce St:

 

Digging underway on space where Draper Tower once was.  Looking west from intersection of Commerce St. and 10th Ave. North:

Digging underway on corner where LifeWay Bookstore once stood. Looking south from intersection of Commerce St. and 10th Ave. North: