Brooklyn Village Redevelopment in 2nd Ward

[InSouthPark]

1 hour ago, KJHburg said:

I agree redo the park but dont shrink the size in a city starved for parks.  Who remembers the old huge concrete walkways?  I have some photos of them in my vault. 

A city starved for parks...ok...then why don't people use this park?  Uptown is not starved for parks, residential neighborhoods are.  I live in South Charlotte and have to go 4miles to the closest public park, and they really aren't even a full use park (Carmel Rd or Davie both of which are a playground and a field).  Closest full use public park with walking paths, pavilions, something resembling landscaping is Park Road Park and takes me 15 minutes by car to get to.

[KJHburg]

I agree the suburbs are more short changed for parks and some rapidly changing neighborhoods like NoDa and Southend where there were no residents before.  Marshall Park is surrounded by government buildings most abandoned and run over with geese. Its needs to be rebuilt and reimagined but not shrunk.  

[15895]

Why reduce the park when there's so many empty blocks, literal gravel parking lots, in uptown? Even within the Block the Park is on,  1/2 of it is a parking lot to begin with. And that's a ton of land that could have thousands of new residents so.... 

And regarding suburban areas and lack of parks. I think 15 minutes to the nearest full park is a luxury itself and well. If you want to live in lower dense areas, you should have to drive 15 minutes or even longer for a full park. That's the price one pays for the luxuries of suburban areas. You can't have a big house, big yard and still expect to be within a 3 minute drive of a large park. 

The lack of use of the park is due to the city destroying the neighborhood, putting in a prison and a court house etc. I'm sure many people would be happy to tear down the jail and build it in SouthPark and replace it with more housing. The problem with the park is not a lack of desire for the park or that the park is preventing growth in the area. The problem is is the terrible use of land within many blocks of the park. One day - hopefully - 2nd ward will be filled in. Maybe the city can encourage affordable housing in this area. Maybe it'll take off. And those residents deserve this park. It's one of the most iconic landmarks in Charlotte, too (all the text books in the days used to show North Carolina with the view of Marshall Park in the front and the skyline in the back). In the future, I'm sure future residents could deeply appreciate a historical and old park as a center piece to their neighborhood.

Build on the empty land. Not the park...

Edited October 13, 2022 by AirNostrumMAD

[JRCLT]

Charlotte ranks 91st nationally for parks. Yet here we reducing one by a half. Great plan.

This based on a lot of things and one heavy I think is accessibility within a 10 minute walk. Most of inner Charlotte is in good shape in that respect. Charlotte is actually 83rd now in 2022. More park space is needed as well, but that’s true for outer areas and the outer neighborhoods.

https://parkserve.tpl.org/mapping/index.html?CityID=PS3712000&_ga=2.95859996.1256652158.1665702307-371377883.1665702307

[stiluvclt]

I was curious so I watched that beautiful video about the "Brooklyn Collective". Not once did they use the term "Brooklyn Village"! The term "Brooklyn" was used all over the video. I grew up in the QC and I was a kid of 6 when "Urban Renewal" came to Brooklyn. It took me getting into my teens before I realized that so many members of the community were uprooted in the name of progress. So sad. Anyway, so Charlotte gets around to renaming Stonewall......Brooklyn Village Avenue! WTF! "Brooklyn Avenue" would  have been perfect! Adding the word "Village" to the street name only pays homage to someone or entity who has not closed on the property, has not finalized any plans and with the naive help of the city, been able to keep all of that historical property hostage for close to 10 years. "Brooklyn Collective Avenue" would have even been a better name. I love seeing respect paid to the past but I really dislike the idea that a street is renamed after a development name.....a development that doesn't even exist except talk and constantly changing sketches.

[RANYC]

Hello, shouldn't this deal with Peebles be null and void now because Peebles and partners failed to close on the land sale by February 2023?  Also, in both cases of Brooklyn Village and 7th & Tryon, are there not active local developers who could actually move quickly to start building these blocks versus going to outside development groups new to the region?  Why do we go to outside groups for projects with the potential to be so transformational?  Lincoln Harris, Crescent, Crosland Southeast...none of them had any interest in 7th and Tryon or Brooklyn Village?  They seem to turn dirt and get things out of the ground rather quickly.  I know some of you will object to Lincoln because you didn't like their design choices on Legacy Union, but at this point, something is better than nothing now.

Edited May 14, 2023 by RANYC

[KJHburg]

The mistake the city made with Brooklyn Village is giving one developer to be in charge of an entire multiblock area.  We should have allowed several developers to do demonstration projects on certain parcels.  And see who could win even more land due to the success of their projects.  We have wasted years on this project and now the market has changed making it more difficult for developers to get financing etc.  Large landowners or those who control large areas have not served uptown Charlotte well.  (Obviously this project, Levine's massive land holdings but I am also talking about the city and county along N Tryon in the Hal Marshall Center and all that county owned land)  And people wonder why growth is leapfrogging over 277 to Southend, Midtown, NoDa and everywhere else but uptown.  

Supposedly Peebles was going to flip the land to other developer who would actually build something.  Maybe next time we should have a developer who would build or have the capability to build the project him or herself.  

at least Brooklyn Village is on his home page now maybe we will move up in his priorities

https://peeblescorp.com/

Edited May 14, 2023 by KJHburg

[RANYC]

Has this project in 2nd ward been declared dead yet?  Can someone direct me to a completed project by Peebles?

Edited June 15, 2023 by RANYC

[KJHburg]

1 hour ago, RANYC said:

Has this project in 2nd ward been declared dead yet?  Can someone direct me to a completed project by Peebles?

He now has a major project planned in Atlanta so I guess we will go back to the back back burner again.

https://atlantaagentmagazine.com/2022/10/17/marta-peebles-enter-negotiations-for-major-mixed-use-development-on-the-westside/

[RANYC]

19 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

He now has a major project planned in Atlanta so I guess we will go back to the back back burner again.

https://atlantaagentmagazine.com/2022/10/17/marta-peebles-enter-negotiations-for-major-mixed-use-development-on-the-westside/

There are tons of reports of him negotiating development rights but never seeming to deliver.  He's basically a development rights broker.  Total charlatan.  But we need to not extend his development agreement if he hasn't yet closed on the property.  Instead, we need to parcel it out and let multiple players in on this who can actually get it done.  Now with Pearl going vertical, there's gotta be a way to get things going in 2nd ward, or at least positioning it so that as soon as we emerge from the cycle, plans come out of the ground.  Fed took a pause on rate hikes so perhaps we're rounding a corner.

Edited June 15, 2023 by RANYC

[KJHburg]

Breaking News here!

Demo coming soon!

""BK Partners has purchased the first parcel for the ongoing Brook Village redevelopment project.

On Friday, Mecklenburg County closed on the sale of Brooklyn Village South to BK Partners. The a 5.7-acre parcel, at the intersection of East Brooklyn Village Avenue and South McDowell Street, is now home to the Walton Plaza building and adjoining parking lot.  

BK Partners, a partnership between New York-based Peebles Corp. and Charlotte-based Conformity Corp., purchased the land for $10.3 million. The developers were chosen as the project's master developer in 2016 and agreed to contract terms with the county in July 2018.

BK Partners is slated to demolish Walton Plaza and begin vertical construction this fall.""

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2023/07/31/brooklyn-village-land-sale.html?

new website it looks new too

https://brooklynvillage-clt.com/

Edited July 31, 2023 by KJHburg

[videtur quam contuor]

I worked in a school in the past and a student asked where the CMS office was for records storage for graduates. It was at Walton Plaza. I told him and he said "Bill Walton Plaza?". "Yes," I said."Bill Walton Plaza." 

A dream is a fragile thing.

[KJHburg]

10 minutes ago, videtur quam contuor said:

I worked in a school in the past and a student asked where the CMS office was for records storage for graduates. It was at Walton Plaza. I told him and he said "Bill Walton Plaza?". "Yes," I said."Bill Walton Plaza." 

A dream is a fragile thing.

Bob Walton Plaza is one building I celebrate being torn down 

[RANYC]

22 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

Breaking News here!

Demo coming soon!

""BK Partners has purchased the first parcel for the ongoing Brook Village redevelopment project.

On Friday, Mecklenburg County closed on the sale of Brooklyn Village South to BK Partners. The a 5.7-acre parcel, at the intersection of East Brooklyn Village Avenue and South McDowell Street, is now home to the Walton Plaza building and adjoining parking lot.  

BK Partners, a partnership between New York-based Peebles Corp. and Charlotte-based Conformity Corp., purchased the land for $10.3 million. The developers were chosen as the project's master developer in 2016 and agreed to contract terms with the county in July 2018.

BK Partners is slated to demolish Walton Plaza and begin vertical construction this fall.""

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2023/07/31/brooklyn-village-land-sale.html?

new website it looks new too

https://brooklynvillage-clt.com/

The proposed "plan" on the website features a photo of the intersection of N Tryon & 3rd Street.

If Walton Plaza is demolished AND vertical construction has begun before 12/31, I will GLADLY buy you a holiday cocktail at Humbug, Dram & Draught, or The Conspiracy.

Of course he got bank financing to acquire 5.7 acres of downtown property in the 5th fastest-growing city in the country adjacent to an emerging medical research village for a mere $10.3 million, way under market value, IMO.  Easy lending decision on such a sweetheart deal.  Still doubtful we actually get timely product, but hey, I'll shout with jubilee if I'm wrong.

[Boricua]

54 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

Bob Walton Plaza is one building I celebrate being torn down 

How that name stayed on that building that long is beyond me

[Blue_Devil]

For what it’s worth, the Biz Journal is reporting they are going to begin demo and construction on the 420 unit high rise and the 120 unit mid-rise in the fall… honestly, with the Med school going up across the street this makes huge sense, and I bet that helped them get the financing. I think we saw a rendering of this portion of the project a few months ago

Edited July 31, 2023 by Blue_Devil

[CLT Development]

10 minutes ago, Blue_Devil said:

For what it’s worth, the Biz Journal is reporting they are going to begin demo and construction on the 420 unit high rise and the 120 unit mid-rise in the fall… honestly, with the Med school going up across the street this makes huge sense, and I bet that helped them get the financing. I think we saw a rendering of this portion of the project a few months ago

I PRAY those renderings aren't accurate. 

Edited August 1, 2023 by CLT Development

[CLT Development]

11 minutes ago, CLT Development said:

I PRAY those renderings aren't accurate. 

Looks like 28 floors tho

[CLT Development]

 Update;  

[RANYC]

That multi-family is butt ugly.  You'd think given taxpayers are conveying the land to him below market value, that perhaps the community could have weighed in on aesthetics.  There's definitely a party that dominates local politics and it begins with a big "D."  Doormat.  But alas, you can't win them all.  I suppose eliminating a big surface lot is a win.

Edited August 1, 2023 by RANYC

[KJHburg]

2 hours ago, RANYC said:

 

If Walton Plaza is demolished AND vertical construction has begun before 12/31, I will GLADLY buy you a holiday cocktail at Humbug, Dram & Draught, or The Conspiracy.

 

honestly that rendering which may or may not be the final looks like Uptown 550 by NorthwoodRavin right up the street.

Dram and Draught I prefer its a class A building 

 

[CLT Development]

23 minutes ago, RANYC said:

That multi-family is butt ugly.  You'd think given taxpayers are conveying the land to him below market value, that perhaps the community could have weighed in on aesthetics.  There's definitely a party that dominates local politics and it begins with a big "D."  Doormat.  But alas, you can't win them all.  I suppose eliminating a big surface lot is a win.

I can assure you that the folks on city council are anything but Doormats, frustratingly not so in fact. There are serious and organized efforts to prevent development of any kind from happening from a number of council members. Saying otherwise shows you aren't engaged. It's the party that starts with R. Regressive that made it so municipalities in North Carolina have no right to approve or comment based on aesthetics.

Edited August 1, 2023 by CLT Development

[RANYC]

33 minutes ago, CLT Development said:

I can assure you that the folks on city council are anything but Doormats, frustratingly not so in fact. There are serious and organized efforts to prevent development of any kind from happening from a number of council members. Saying otherwise shows you aren't engaged. It's the party that starts with R. Regressive that made it so municipalities in North Carolina have no right to approve or comment based on aesthetics.

I assure you I'm engaged.  Just because a townhouse rezoning gets denied here or there doesn't mean there's an organized effort to prevent development of any kind.  The comment that in the city of Charlotte there's a serious and substantive anti-development movement to stop dev of ANY kind given what's going on here is so hyperbolic as to be laughable.  And wasn't this dev agreement executed between peebles and meck county anyway (and not city council)?  Or at least I thought so.  I may not live and breathe dev news in this city because I can't do that, but I'm engaged.  We don't appear to subject anything here to a design review process, at least not outside of rezoning.  Not saying we should have one necessarily, but given what happens in so many other places with our level of growth & interest to be here, we're pretty dev friendly.

Edited August 1, 2023 by RANYC

[Nathan2]

Parking garages shouldn’t be allowed unless it’s completely hidden behind a usable structure. So tired of seeing these lazy, uninspiring, crap garage screenings. They have become a shrine to car culture ( looking at you 110 East). 

[CLT Development]

46 minutes ago, RANYC said:

I assure you I'm engaged.  Just because a townhouse rezoning gets denied here or there doesn't mean there's an organized effort to prevent development of any kind.  The comment that in the city of Charlotte there's a serious and substantive anti-development movement to stop dev of ANY kind given what's going on here is so hyperbolic as to be laughable.  And wasn't this dev agreement executed between peebles and meck county anyway (and not city council)?  Or at least I thought so.  I may not live and breathe dev news in this city because I can't do that, but I'm engaged.  We don't appear to subject anything here to a design review process, at least not outside of rezoning.  Not saying we should have one necessarily, but given what happens in so many other places with our level of growth & interest to be here, we're pretty dev friendly.

I assure you that you are incorrect about "The comment that in the city of Charlotte there's a serious and substantive anti-development movement to stop dev of ANY kind given what's going on here is so hyperbolic as to be laughable." I read the community notes, go to the zoning hearings, and interact with the city council people. Really anywhere outside of district 1 is seeing significant backlash, and at-large folks are beginning to even turn on these areas, with new people coming that are even worse. While it is a county agreement, it is a city development/approval process, and then it goes back to being a county permitting process, it's super back-ass-wards. As far as design review process goes, as I said above, that is illegal in North Carolina. While I would love for it to exist on some levels, design review has ground some city development processes to a virtual standstill, places like Seattle are seeing 30+ revision periods. Didn't intend to sound like a jerk above, sorry about that.

Edited August 1, 2023 by CLT Development