TBurban

Dominion Resources: New High-rise Building Planned for Downtown

Recommended Posts

6 minutes ago, blopp1234 said:

I also love the project, however, it would be awesome to have about 2-4 more floors just to make it VAs tallest!!! However, I think this could help increase the walk ability along canal st.

I'm in agreement with you Blopp, I do like the project...I just want it to be Virginia's tallest. I'd prefer that it not look so boxy too (do something decorative on top that is a bit more pointy).  Also the shorter tower could be taller if they had stacked the two box pieces on top of one another and made more green space. Some of the close-up views that were not saved before the site went down were really cool looking (I never closed out the site on my phone so the images are still scrolling!).  For example, I liked the projection screen thing on the parking deck of the smaller tower (had the wind turbines on it) I think that was really cool.  The open air feel of the building is very revolutionary for Richmond and would definitely make a statement. One thing is for sure, there was a lot of time spent on those renderings and looked to be more than just a basic/generic master plan. It's either this is the final design or it is a design that competed with others, didn't win out, and a final design will hopefully come forth soon.  Just make it taller than 508'.  Come on Dominion, pull through for us!

 

Finally, under this design, the shorter tower would likely be built first and then the taller tower after their old building is demolished and people moved over to the shorter tower (hard to call it a tower...just looks like a box).  Just my thoughts. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites


2 minutes ago, eandslee said:

I'm in agreement with you Blopp, I do like the project...I just want it to be Virginia's tallest. I'd prefer that it not look so boxy too (do something decorative on top that is a bit more pointy).  Also the shorter tower could be taller if they had stacked the two box pieces on top of one another and made more green space. Some of the close-up views that were not saved before the site went down were really cool looking (I never closed out the site on my phone so the images are still scrolling!).  For example, I liked the projection screen thing on the parking deck of the smaller tower (had the wind turbines on it) I think that was really cool.  The open air feel of the building is very revolutionary for Richmond and would definitely make a statement. One thing is for sure, there was a lot of time spent on those renderings and looked to be more than just a basic/generic master plan. It's either this is the final design or it is a design that competed with others, didn't win out, and a final design will hopefully come forth soon.  Just make it taller than 508'.  Come on Dominion, pull through for us!

 

Finally, under this design, the shorter tower would likely be built first and then the taller tower after their old building is demolished and people moved over to the shorter tower (hard to call it a tower...just looks like a box).  Just my thoughts. 

I just looked at the crown again and it looks to be 20-25 feet tall while the tower itself looks to be 480-500. This would put it at almost the same height as the in VA beach. Also in the shorter building, I'm pretty sure one of the boxes is parking, however I'm not sure. Can you post the other pics eandslee?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Asace88 said:

At this point, with the detail in the renderings and the fact that the website was taken down, I would say it is safe to assume that these are likely going to be the final plans or close to it.  

After digesting the plans there are two ways to look at this project:

1) Tower only- I admit I wanted something 650' and modern as much as anyone.  My gut reaction was disappointment in seeing something approximately 500' with a flat top.  However, after reviewing all of the images in detail before the site was taken down this project is much different when viewed as a whole.

2) Entire scope of project- When really looking at these plans this building has the potential to be one of the most unique projects in the mid-Atlantic.  Dominion stated that they wanted this building to be a "tower of the future".  They will certainly achieve that with this.  If you pay attention to the amount of green/plaza space combined between the two buildings it is clear that they are looking to create the feeling of a suburban, green campus in an urban setting.  The logistics for construction will be incredible to watch.  Can you imagine a 6" caliper specimen tree being craned up 200'+ in the air.  I've never seen a building feature green spaces halfway up the tower recessed into the structure.  

While at first glance this project may not seem as sexy and high profile as many of were hoping for, I believe once this is completed (if this is the final version) it will be an awe-inspiring complex.  It will, at the very least, be a strong addition to the skyline and the most unique building Richmond has ever seen.  A project of this caliper with the amount of green space and modern amenities that we should expect will likely garner awards spanning architecture, construction and landscape industries.

If this is what we are getting I will be one of it's biggest supporters.

Where did the  "tower of the future"  quote come from?

 

greenspace recessed up the tower at BG building:

 

 

image.jpeg

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, meegwell said:

Where did the  "tower of the future"  quote come from?

 

greenspace recessed up the tower at BG building:

 

 

image.jpeg

See, I love the look of this building!  It's tall and it has a curve to it making it stand out more than just the shape of a box.  I wish this Dominion project would have a curve like that and just a bit more height.  If that were the case, I could live with the flat roof!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ask and ye shall receive!

Here are some of the other renderings that were NOT saved and posted before.  I still had the website up on my phone (I never closed it out) and therefore still had access to these pics.  I had to take photos of the images as they scrolled, but I got them!  Enjoy!

 

image.png

image_1.png

image_2.png

image_3.png

 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm going to pull a lot of punches for this, but I actually kind of like One James River Plaza and would rather see it stay and have the new tower go on the current Richmond Plaza site. It would be better to have two tall ones than that really tall one and that stump. The current building could be converted to something (residential maybe idk) and maybe they can build around the base in place of that desolate plaza.

But for some reaosn, I feel kind of regretful that a nice International Style building has to go, it complemented the Fed pretty well.

But otherwise, I really have no complaints, we should feel fortunate to have such an exciting development to follow now. The best days are still ahead of us.

Edited by RVA-Is-The-Best
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, RVA-Is-The-Best said:

I'm going to pull a lot of punches for this, but I actually kind of like One James River Plaza and would rather see it stay and have the new tower go on the current Richmond Plaza site. It would be better to have two tall ones than that really tall one and that stump. The current building could be converted to something (residential maybe idk) and maybe they can build around the base in place of that desolate plaza.

But for some reaosn, I feel kind of regretful that a nice International Style building has to go, it complemented the Fed pretty well.

But otherwise, I really have no complaints, we should feel fortunate to have such an exciting development to follow now. The best days are still ahead of us.

That's like saying that it would be better to have 2 30 story towers than a 45 story skyscraper and a 15 story building. I do like the style of the building however, it was just designed very poorly. The entire base of the tower would need to be torn down and replaced which would cost a decent amount(not to mention the renovation of the building itself. I would much rather keep the fed building and maybe expand that someday.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, blopp1234 said:

That's like saying that it would be better to have 2 30 story towers than a 45 story skyscraper and a 15 story building. I do like the style of the building however, it was just designed very poorly. The entire base of the tower would need to be torn down and replaced which would cost a decent amount(not to mention the renovation of the building itself. I would much rather keep the fed building and maybe expand that someday.

Where do they expect to house all the current employees if they tear down 1JRP?

If they are definitively tearing it down, then I change my stance and I'd rather the new highrise be made even taller as leverage. If the overall height of both new buildings are raised, then it's all well and good. Example, that stumpy building should at a minimum, be of the same height as the current Richmond Plaza building site it sits on. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, RVA-Is-The-Best said:

I'm going to pull a lot of punches for this, but I actually kind of like One James River Plaza and would rather see it stay and have the new tower go on the current Richmond Plaza site. It would be better to have two tall ones than that really tall one and that stump. The current building could be converted to something (residential maybe idk) and maybe they can build around the base in place of that desolate plaza.

But for some reaosn, I feel kind of regretful that a nice International Style building has to go, it complemented the Fed pretty well.

That has been my big reservation as well.  I hate to see an existing tower needlessly demolished.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

From the renderings, it looks like they carried over the plaza design from Gateway Plaza to the new Dominion towers and Kanawha plaza, which would be nice to keep things consistent. For those that haven't had an up close look at the plaza, here is a picture. This whole area could use more foot traffic so hopefully the new building(s), plaza and some potential retailers would liven things up.

FullSizeRender_7.thumb.jpg.b01a73990affa

Edited by evanf

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I really hope that this is NOT the final design. I think Richmond deserves much better than this.

First, look at the way it meets the street. The Devon Energy Tower in Oklahoma City, with its winter garden and public amenities like restaurants functions as a civic gathering space. This appears to (at least on one side) to rise off a fortresslike parking garage podium. Gateway Plaza offers the same blank wall. As was mentioned above, street life is an issue with such spaces. A building of this size, height, and importance should do so much more for the city at ground level. I don't see a civic space here on the level of Devon.

Look at the bulk of this building. You might be hard pressed to call it a "skyscraper" because it doesn't soar. It seems as if it might make the smaller high-rises in the surrounding blocks look overshadowed and out of scale. At the same time, it seems designed to look as small as possible, with the break in the middle, which visually separates it into two stubby structures piled on top of each other (Pickard Chilton's Houston tower has the break much farther up, by contrast). In fact, it almost looks like a banal suburban development plopped down in the center of Richmond. It looks like someone gave the Gateway Plaza a shot of steroids and we ended up with a large version of "Gateway Plaza."

I know there must be challenges in dealing with such large floor plates, but we should expect so much more than this from what will become an important structure in the city. This is neither an elegant, beautiful form nor an exciting civic space at street level. I hope this is the beginning and not the end of the design process!  

Edited by changingskyline
broken links
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, blopp1234 said:

Alright, I'm almost 100% sure this isn't the actual project. When reading this article, it says that hourigan will be in charge of design, not forum studios. As stated earlier, I think these plans were rejected.

http://richmondbizsense.com/2016/02/03/dominion-enlists-builder-developer-as-it-readies-for-new-tower/

Not so sure about that. Hourigan is the construction company, but I don't get the sense from the article that they're actually the architect.

6 hours ago, changingskyline said:

Look at the bulk of this building. You might be hard pressed to call it a "skyscraper" because it doesn't soar. 

Traditionally, 500ft has been the cutoff height for the actual "skyscraper" term in modern times (This certainly seems to meet that criteria), but there was a time when 10 stories was considered a skyscraper.  In reality, it is all about proportion to the surrounding area. In a city where the majority of buildings is around 5 stories, many would consider a 20-story building a skyscraper. In NYC, a 20-story building is a midrise. Found this cool calculator from CTBUH. http://www.ctbuh.org/TallBuildings/HeightStatistics/HeightCalculator/OnLineCalculator/tabid/1068/language/en-GB/Default.aspx. If we can get this to 35 it should hit 508ft minus that huge crown up top, which probably gives it another 50ft (558ft total).

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What I meant was how we perceive the building as a "skyscraper." You can read the Central National Bank tower as a "skyscraper" because of the aspect ratio you mentioned above in a way that you can't with his building, because of its bulk.

Does anyone know if Pickard Chilton is still involved with this project? I believe their process is to always collaborate with an "architect of record" on projects. 

I would love to see a public aspect to this, like the Devon rotunda/winter garden. It would become a new anchor for that area, which now seems to be mostly parking garages.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Looks like they have included a different architect - the same one that did the Devon tower - Kendall/Heaton Associates is noted as the architect of record. That also can mean there's a design architect while Kendal/Heaton is the one in charge of permitting, record drawings, etc and another firm designs it.  

 

Edited by hikendesign
architect note

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Certainly, the article in Richmondbizsense this morning sounds like the design of this building(s) is not complete, so it is possible that these renderings above are not the chosen design or is the final design.  It was weird how the Forum Studio suddenly took down the web page featuring this project, so there may be some design elements contained in these renderings that may be finalized.  With that said, there is still hope that this project will look better, be more functional on the street level, and be taller!  Holding out hope!  I would love to be a fly on the wall at Hourigan!

Edited by eandslee

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Icetera said:

I am certainly enjoying Kendall-Heaton's portfolio.

http://www.kendall-heaton.com/projects/

It looks like they have a long relationship working with design architects Pickard Chilton (Calgary 8th Ave. Place, Devon, 1180 Peachtree). And there are also the Pelli buildings that the Pickard Chilton principals also worked on at that firm (Society Center in Cleveland, Norwest in Minneapolis. 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Could we possibly see a tower the size that we envisioned originally? When looking at the amount of square footage for each tower designed by Kendall-Heaton, I realized that they had towers that were under the proposed square footage of the buildings in the renderings. If they follow the trend in Richmond, we could see up to a 50 story icon tower!!!!

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am in agreement with those who think this is not the final design concept. It seems to me that while Clayco was working with Forum Studios on the design for Gateway Plaza, they essentially had them continue their master plan to extend to Dominion and Richmond Plaza; purely conceptual. I think that's why the link was brought down in a panic as to not overshadow, for lack of a better term, the future release of the final, approved design. Here's hoping for more height and an iconic spire.

Edited by TBurban
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, eandslee said:

Wow!  Some of the designs in their portfolio are just phenomenal!  Most convey a very bold statement - exactly what Richmond needs!

Can we have Boston's South Station?  (lol)

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now