Third Strike Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Some enrollment numbers for UNCC: UNC Charlotte (2015): Undergrad: 22,732 Graduate: 5,251 Total: 27,983 The previous year's enrollment: Undergrad: 22,216 Graduate: 5,022 Total: 27,238 In comparison, we are now third in the number of graduate students, and third in the amount of undergrad students. We are still number four in regards to overall enrollment. It actually surprises me that UNCC could one day surpass UNC Chapel Hill as the second most populous college in North Carolina. UNC System Enrollment 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niner National Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 On 10/24/2016 at 11:45 AM, birky said: Wouldn't expect the joint program with the CSL to continue for much longer (for good reasons). Can confirm there are plans for an MS in Architecture which will really be a modification of something they already offer. There are also talks about a PhD in Civil Engineering, but nothing has been approved. Master of Science in Management was just approved for the Business School, which will be a Center City program for students with UG degrees in non-business disciplines. The B School also added a DBA (Doctor of Business Administration) for next academic year (@ $28,000 a year). There is a new MS in Cyber Security starting in Spring 2017. There is a new PhD in Educational Research, Measurement , and Evaluation as of this year. I would be beyond shocked if a PhD in Physics was added (or really if a PhD in Liberal Arts & Sciences were added at all). With regards to a Med School, I know there is interest within the community, but there are two major roadblocks: 1) the school's endowment and 2) CMC and/or Presby have to be on board, and they are not. The amount of resources they would have to add is enormous. I'm guessing this is what you hinting at? https://www.charlotteagenda.com/72784/charlotte-school-law-put-probation-admitting-unqualified-students/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cltbwimob Posted November 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 ^^^I am hoping that as the school crumbles, which I fully expect it to given the Gainful Employment rules and now this, that UNCC is able to take over the school. CSOL and The other Infilaw schools are among the biggest scams in education, offering their students a fourth tier legal education at Duke prices. While UNCC may never be able to bring the school to the first or second tier, at least they could make it affordable. As a comparison NCCUs law school's tuition is somewhere in the range of $6,000 per year and I'm sure UNCC could make tuition similarly affordable vs the $40,000+/year costs of CSOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birky Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 No, this is news to me. All I can really say, and let me be clear that I am not directly involved in this in any way so please take with a grain of salt, but as I understand it UNCC has determined the joint programs are not in the school's best interest. Probation from the ABA certainly reinforces that sentiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birky Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, cltbwimob said: ^^^I am hoping that as the school crumbles, which I fully expect it to given the Gainful Employment rules and now this, that UNCC is able to take over the school. CSOL and The other Infilaw schools are among the biggest scams in education, offering their students a fourth tier legal education at Duke prices. While UNCC may never be able to bring the school to the first or second tier, at least they could make it affordable. As a comparison NCCUs law school's tuition is somewhere in the range of $6,000 per year and I'm sure UNCC could make tuition similarly affordable vs the $40,000+/year costs of CSOL. Honestly, I wouldn't expect anything like this from UNCC in the near future. It's more likely that Wake expands their existing options in Charlotte to include an option for their JD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermit Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) I agree w birky, I can't see UNCC plunging into this in the current budget and political climate -- although a governor Cooper would change the composostion of one third of the UNC system boards. Queens seems like a much better fit, assuming their endowment would premit such an expansion. Given CSL's baggage I think the most likely scenario is that it just disappears into bankruptcy. Law school faculty are a dime-a-dozen and it has no other assets (like a building) worth purchasing. Edited November 17, 2016 by kermit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cltbwimob Posted November 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, birky said: Honestly, I wouldn't expect anything like this from UNCC in the near future. It's more likely that Wake expands their existing options in Charlotte to include an option for their JD. Well, Phil Dubois is quoted in a local newspaper in 2014 as saying that he hopes for UNCC to have a law school someday, and according to members on this board, there were discussions a few years ago between UNCC and CSOL regarding a takeover by UNCC. I don't suspect it would be hard to rekindle those discussions, especially if UNCC could get the school at a fire-sale price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlrvr Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I think it does have substantial (if un-bookable) assets....kids in their 1st and 2nd years will be very sticky. So they have hundreds of kids willing to keep writing big checks for a few more years, with minimal branding effort. The curriculum and professors while might be viewed as dime-a-dozen, but recreating the wheel is still not cheap. Wake Forest taking over would be a huge win for Charlotte, but I agree that Queens is the more likely partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birky Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I don't think it's possible for UNCC to absorb CSL. That is generally not how public institutions operate. If UNCC were to open a law school, it would have to be approved through the UNC Board of Governors, there'd need to be adequate funding, a hiring process for faculty and staff, any students would need to go through the admission process, etc, etc. There's a ton that has to happen behind the scenes for this sort of addition. It's far more likely that CSL goes in bankruptcy and closes, and then a university like Wake (with an existing law program), hires some faculty for a cohort program in Charlotte. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjd5050 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 hour ago, birky said: I don't think it's possible for UNCC to absorb CSL. That is generally not how public institutions operate. While not common it's been looked at before. University of California San Diego looked to merge with Cal Western Law School about 6 years ago. The merger was put on hold due to cuts in funding and pension concerns. The biggest difference here was/is Cal Western is in the black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermit Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 The CO says things are going from bad to worse at CSL: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article121768063.html I really don't see them surviving this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niner National Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 12 minutes ago, kermit said: The CO says things are going from bad to worse at CSL: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article121768063.html I really don't see them surviving this Yeah, they're almost certainly done now. Why would anyone go there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Stuff like that just reinforces my opinion of for-profit education. Charlotte needs a law school and med school based out of UNCC. That's the only practical way to make it work. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cltbwimob Posted December 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 12 hours ago, Spartan said: Stuff like that just reinforces my opinion of for-profit education. Charlotte needs a law school and med school based out of UNCC. That's the only practical way to make it work. I 100% agree. Education is one of those areas in which a profit motive tends to worsen outcomes. Infilaw will probably want to unload this school ASAP as the underlying assumptions of its business model-full ABA accreditation and continued student access to financial aid-are now invalid. As such, I suspect UNCC could get CSOL in a fire sale. Then they could right the ship by ending predatory recruiting practices, raising admissions standards, restoring accreditation, and reducing tuition/expenses significantly. UNCC would get a first professional program at a rock bottom price; students would be associated with a respectable institution, students would have access to a much more affordable law education (based on other law schools in the UNC system, I suspect tuition/expenses would be no more than 10k per year vs 50k-60k now); and Charlotte would have a proper law school...A win all around. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilm2clt Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 While it may be nice to think uncc would ride in as a shining knight, it has to be more complex than that. Others on this forum have mentioned issues which exist in Raleigh and it just isnt that easy. Also, consider the lease of property they now occupy and its desirability, the amount of liability assumed by absorbing the dirty name and potential litigation from current stdents, alumni, etc... IF uncc decided to open a law school (with the blessing of the unc system), why bring on the mess of csl? In my business, a fire sale is a blessing and a curse. There is a reason why things didnt work out, and you must know as much as possible before pulling the trigger. Btw....no full time grad degree at uncc can be had for 10k a year. Nor can the unc system provide such. The unc law school is around 24k, and the cheapest in state is central, at 18k. I cant imagine they would do it for less than 20k. Most of the students at csl had requirement issues elsewhere, hence the problem situation they currently find themselves in. Some, however, enrolled due to convenience. Some have practiced and started successful careers. Just not that many. That does lend itself to your point....charlotte needs a law school (quality school). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Ilm2clt said: While it may be nice to think uncc would ride in as a shining knight, it has to be more complex than that. Others on this forum have mentioned issues which exist in Raleigh and it just isnt that easy. Also, consider the lease of property they now occupy and its desirability, the amount of liability assumed by absorbing the dirty name and potential litigation from current stdents, alumni, etc... IF uncc decided to open a law school (with the blessing of the unc system), why bring on the mess of csl? In my business, a fire sale is a blessing and a curse. There is a reason why things didnt work out, and you must know as much as possible before pulling the trigger. Btw....no full time grad degree at uncc can be had for 10k a year. Nor can the unc system provide such. The unc law school is around 24k, and the cheapest in state is central, at 18k. I cant imagine they would do it for less than 20k. Most of the students at csl had requirement issues elsewhere, hence the problem situation they currently find themselves in. Some, however, enrolled due to convenience. Some have practiced and started successful careers. Just not that many. That does lend itself to your point....charlotte needs a law school (quality school). I think the concept is more like "ideally, this is how it should be set up." Obviously there are plenty of reasons/explanations of the political realities and financial realities, but I think a public institution is better equipped to add degree programs in a successful way because they have the infrastructure to do so. Just count me on the side that thinks a the largest public university in the largest city in NC should be able to provide for the educational needs of its entire population. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cltbwimob Posted January 13, 2017 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Charlotte School of Law failings have resurrected talk of a law school at UNCC. https://www.google.com/amp/s/charlotteobserver.relaymedia.com/amp/news/politics-government/article126158169.html?client=safari If UNCC can make this happen and get a Medical School it would be, I think, a great coup for the university in terms of both research funding and prestige. It would be a boon for our community and we should make it happen. Edited January 13, 2017 by cltbwimob 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtCampsalot Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Interesting news: UNC Charlotte Receives $7.7 million Grant to Establish Transportation Research Center Source: The Niner Times Edited January 29, 2017 by SgtCampsalot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Niner National Posted March 29, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) UNC Charlotte is adding a doctorate of business administration (DBA). It will be the first school in NC to offer this. Edited March 29, 2017 by Niner National 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJHburg Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Looks like Charlotte School of Law is putting up 175,000 sq ft of their 250,000 sq ft Charlotte Plaza office as a sublease saw this today. So they are majorly shrinking their real estate footprint. Interesting about this space and the rate someone like a Paypal for example and just an example could get an uptown location at a great price as the lease runs through 2026. When Paypal considered Charlotte before their space in the University area was a sublease from Red Ventures however that space is now leased. Just a thought. Edited March 30, 2017 by KJHburg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cltbwimob Posted May 17, 2017 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 UNCC has formally begun the process to add a PhD in Civil Engineering and will likely soon begin the process to establish a PhD in Data Analytics/Science 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birky Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Just FYI: this degree planning stuff isn't secret information. It's published on the University's website: http://provost.uncc.edu/curriculum/planning "Request to plan" means given the green-light for the academic department to plan out what that degree program would look like, and obviously the request to establish is the actual OK to create the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermit Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 ^ and after the request to plan is complete any other UNC system campus can (esentually) veto the proposal if they believe it to be too much competition. Data Analytics is probably fine, CE may get some pushback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post birky Posted June 15, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 UNCC is terminating their on-campus transit agreement with CATS and moving to run the service in-house, starting this fall. Name is tentatively "Niner Transit". The university is purchasing a number of new buses that will carry UNC Charlotte branding, but those won't be ready until 2018. The new service will include 3 lines (silver, green, gold) serving more of campus than the current arrangement with CATS, and will include extended operating hours and greater route frequency. The University is also launching a bike sharing system called "Charlotte Wheels", with 10 rack locations & 100 bikes. The bikes are through Gotcha. Starting this fall as well. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KJHburg Posted June 15, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Here is a good update and review on current UNC Charlotte construction projects. http://advancement.uncc.edu/newsletter-stories/building-blocks?utm_source=EduConverse&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Read+More:+Building+Blocks&utm_content=The+Chancellor’s+Report,+Construction+Updates+and+a+$2M+gift&utm_campaign=http://advancement.uncc.edu/newsletter-stories/building-blocks 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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