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12 hours ago, metalman said:

I just came back from NYC on Sunday and oh my God!  Just amazing...old and new.  And there are still probably two dozen buildings under construction.

Is block 9 topped out now? 

I actually prefer NYC, because it is more the entire area, save Staten Island, whereas Chicago its pretty much downtown and that's it.  Plus I think that Chicago is a confusing city to get around; lack of a grid like you have in NYC, and the trains are all overhead for the most part.  Not to mention Chicago's flooding.  All of that aside though I think Chicago is more stunning when it comes to architecture.  People are a lot nicer, more laid back in Chicago as well.  Definitely a different pace, more laid back energy in Chicago.

But if I had to choose one or the other for living, I would have to go with NYC, because Chicago just has too many problems with crime, taxes all over the place, infrastructure, etc.  Chicago feels like a much larger version of your typical Midwestern city.  I still felt like I was back in Ohio, just in a denser, more vertical, area.  Not to mention the awful Midwestern weather where it can still get cold in the middle of the summer.  Still glad I checked it out for what its worth.

Money goes further in Chicago but that is changing fast.  If you're going to do it may as well go all out in NYC.

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On 8/30/2017 at 2:46 PM, vdogg said:

They've removed the wooden forms so I'm assuming the cores are topped out.

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I was driving along Independence towards the interstate on Friday, and Town Center has an amazing presence from the street. I can't remember if I saw any Block 9 construction, but it kinda blew me away. 

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It is turning into a cool little block development. I really wish the Pembroke Mall site would just get cut up into blocks to be developed with a new urban mall built along VB Blvd. That would at least make it feel like VB's downtown had a legitimate direction to expand.

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More apparent updates on the Divaris website. Note: the block 9 plan with retail named ...that which has yet to be named publicly to my knowledge....

Now I'm wondering whether this is poaching 2 original major tenants  from MacArthur Center? Or are the two companies adding additional locations in this market.  I have a feeling....

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I like the renderings and the modern feel. It is interesting to see Pottery Barn and Williams Sonoma. It really does make one wonder about the MacArthur locations. 

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I wouldn't be too concerned about that, Hampton Roads is large enough to have multiple locations of those stores. It does make sense for them to want to locate in a upscale urban area of VB.

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True. Williams Sonoma has been at La Promenade at Hilltop for at least 20 years or so. If you count Williamsburg, we currently have three locations. 

As for Pottery Barn, I have my doubts  because we have lost quite a few furniture stores around here over the years (Z gallerie, Restoration Hardware, North Carolina Company, EQ3, etc.), though we've gained West Elm.   Three of those in parentheses where once located at MacArthur Center. 

Also, the 20 year leases  for Pottery Barn and WS will be up in March of 2019. Just so happens this Block 9 retail should come online summer of 2018.  Oh, and there have been many rumors swirling around downtown of an impending exodus of several original,  unique-to-market stores at MacArthur at or before the end of their 20 year lease.  Including those two, and Nordstrom.

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On 10/23/2017 at 11:30 PM, baobabs727 said:

True. Williams Sonoma has been at La Promenade at Hilltop for at least 20 years or so. If you count Williamsburg, we currently have three locations. 

As for Pottery Barn, I have my doubts  because we have lost quite a few furniture stores around here over the years (Z gallerie, Restoration Hardware, North Carolina Company, EQ3, etc.), though we've gained West Elm.   Three of those in parentheses where once located at MacArthur Center. 

Also, the 20 year leases  for Pottery Barn and WS will be up in March of 2019. Just so happens this Block 9 retail should come online summer of 2018.  Oh, and there have been many rumors swirling around downtown of an impending exodus of several original,  unique-to-market stores at MacArthur at or before the end of their 20 year lease.  Including those two, and Nordstrom.

That is a shame if it is true for MacArthur Center, I remember when it was built, it was seen as a gamble to reinvest in downtown Norfolk. If that mall fails now, I can only imagine what kind of setback that would be for Norfolk. Personally I think building a continuous mall was a mistake, they should have built several mall buildings connected by skywalks and kept some sort of street grid with street side retail included.

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7 hours ago, urbanlife said:

That is a shame if it is true for MacArthur Center, I remember when it was built, it was seen as a gamble to reinvest in downtown Norfolk. If that mall fails now, I can only imagine what kind of setback that would be for Norfolk. Personally I think building a continuous mall was a mistake, they should have built several mall buildings connected by skywalks and kept some sort of street grid with street side retail included.

I wondered in the Norfolk thread about this whether they could open it up sort of like how Richmond's Short Pump Town Center is. I know the parking garages make that a bit of a challenge, but I bet it COULD be done. Now whether it can be done in a cost effective manner is another question all together.

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They turned Coliseum Mall into a Short Pump like mall and they demoed every part of it but the Macy's and now the Macy's is currently a pile of concrete.  I think an extended-stay hotel is going in the spot but that is Hampton in a nutshell.

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Well, if true, this is great for Virginia Beach Town Center. The TC continues to grow and to flourish,  attracting  highly sought after retailers that are unique to the region. And remember, this is not a phenomenon unique to this area.  Poaching, that is. Often times, retail and office areas are built and then  tenemts migrate to that area.  Then those areas age or other ones are built perhaps in a more prosperous area of town, and so there is another migration  as new developments surpass the older ones. And then  maybe 10 to 20 years later, sometimes the cycle eventually reverts back to the original development area ( which by that time has likely been redeveloped and reinvented) ,  or subsequent population and income growth is such that multiple locations can then be supported. 

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2 hours ago, Virginia City said:

They turned Coliseum Mall into a Short Pump like mall and they demoed every part of it but the Macy's and now the Macy's is currently a pile of concrete.  I think an extended-stay hotel is going in the spot but that is Hampton in a nutshell.

True. But that was a full demolition/rebuild. I was thinking of essentially taking the current footprint and building elements but opening it up to make accessible. It wouldn't be quite is "open" as Short Pump, but they may still be able to put a bit of a more pedestrian friendly element to it.

As for VBTC, it does seem to be poaching a lot of MacArthur's retail and I do think that their locations will probably be closing soon (including Nordstrom which hasn't relocated but there's a "Rack" location). It's good to see TC beginning to thrive. I just hope it doesn't fully kill MA in the process.

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I have no idea if possible locations of Williams Sonoma and Pottery Barn in Block 9 of TC would cause those retailers to close their MacArthur Center locations. I do think that the fact Nordstrom only pays 200K per year in rent at MacA. should provide a great amount of latitude in such a decision.

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Wasn't there a rumor of Crate & Barrel going somewhere over there? I think that would be a much better addition to TC.

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I believe C&B was rumored to be going in the Gateway Tower in block 2 which was axed a few years ago. Hopefully they will reconsider when that block is developed. I feel they would be a good fit as well. It's amazing to consider TC proper will be built out with block 2. Block 1 is the Taco Bell and so far they've been holding out but I feel it's really just a matter of time. 

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I think AH accidentally gave out another one of their retailers. Anyone know anything about Oliver Twist?

Edit: That might just be an advertisement for the show "Oliver Twist". At least we've got 2 new renderings. :lol:

 

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Here's the full article.

http://vabeachtowncenter.com/two-national-retailers-coming-to-town-center-of-virginia-beach/

“We look forward to increasing our presence in Virginia Beach in the spring of 2018,” said Bud Cope, Executive Vice-President of Real Estate and Development of Williams-Sonoma, Inc. “Our West Elm store has been serving customers in Town Center since 2014 and we feel those who enjoy the quality of our products will be pleased to have the opportunity to visit both our Williams Sonoma and Pottery Barn stores while shopping in one of the prime destinations in the region.”

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