Pendleton Street [between West End and West Greenville]

[Dino Hassiotis]

2 hours ago, vicupstate said:

Not sure if it is final at all, but hearing that the ground floor or the Trehel/Cargill building may be an event space. 

Did the event host get approval for onsite alcohol consumption?

[vicupstate]

9 hours ago, Dino Hassiotis said:

Did the event host get approval for onsite alcohol consumption?

It has either not been submitted to the city or it was filed too late for the November meeting of the BZA. 

[Dino Hassiotis]

What is the position of the WE neighborhood and the city on the possibility of alcohol consumption on this properly? In favor or not?

[vicupstate]

1 hour ago, Dino Hassiotis said:

What is the position of the WE neighborhood and the city on the possibility of alcohol consumption on this properly? In favor or not?

No opposition that I am aware of.

[Dino Hassiotis]

1 hour ago, vicupstate said:

No opposition that I am aware of.

I know that this property is zoned differently than the adjacent property (the car wash),what would be the position of WE neighborhood and the city if it were to be redeveloped into another establishment that also served alcohol?

[vicupstate]

^^I doubt there would be significant (if any) opposition.

 

 

801 Pendleton Townhomes

Site layout has changed from original but same number of units. 

 

New project: 

111 S. Leach Street

[Dino Hassiotis]

Nice to see where the priorities are.Drive through restaurants that serve everyone no,but exclusive establishments that serve the privileged few yes?

[vicupstate]

22 minutes ago, Dino Hassiotis said:

Nice to see where the priorities are.Drive through restaurants that serve everyone no,but exclusive establishments that serve the privileged few yes?

The point is not what types of food/beverages are served, but trying to create a pedestrian environment and an urban street edge.  Imagine if every block of Main Street (CBD) had a drive thru restaurant in the middle of the block that every car had to drive across the sidewalk to exit the property.   

[Dino Hassiotis]

13 minutes ago, vicupstate said:

The point is not what types of food/beverages are served, but trying to create a pedestrian environment and an urban street edge.  Imagine if every block of Main Street (CBD) had a drive thru restaurant in the middle of the block that every car had to drive across the sidewalk to exit the property.   

Pendleton St is different than Main St.Any attempt to bridge the gap between Main St and the Village at West end is going to have to have a wide and diverse mix of retail and commercial use.Drive through restaurants offer another option to the growth of that corridor.RDV is the wrong zoning if you want to encourage growth.

[gman430]

39 minutes ago, vicupstate said:

The point is not what types of food/beverages are served, but trying to create a pedestrian environment and an urban street edge.  Imagine if every block of Main Street (CBD) had a drive thru restaurant in the middle of the block that every car had to drive across the sidewalk to exit the property.   

Pendleton Street will never be pedestrian friendly as long as it remains a four lane road between Main and Academy. Allowing restaurants like Burger King doesn’t help matters either. 

[vicupstate]

8 minutes ago, gman430 said:

Pendleton Street will never be pedestrian friendly as long as it remains a four lane road between Main and Academy. Allowing restaurants like Burger King doesn’t help matters either. 

That's why it isn't going to be four lanes long term.  The West End Small Area Plan details the options. 

Crossing Academy is more of an impediment than the fact that a BK is on that corner. 

 

[Dino Hassiotis]

Just now, vicupstate said:

That's why it isn't going to be four lanes long term. 

The state may have something different to say about that 

[vicupstate]

1 minute ago, Dino Hassiotis said:

The state may have something different to say about that 

Possibly, but the city took over Augusta Rd and could take over Pendleton Street if need be. 

[Dino Hassiotis]

6 minutes ago, vicupstate said:

Possibly, but the city took over Augusta Rd and could take over Pendleton Street if need be. 

Ha,another expression of the willingness to abuse RDV from our friendly city and the magnanimous WE homeowners association 

[vicupstate]

10 minutes ago, Dino Hassiotis said:

Ha,another expression of the willingness to abuse RDV from our friendly city and the magnanimous WE homeowners association 

Ownership of the road has nothing to do with the zoning of anyplace. 

[Dino Hassiotis]

5 minutes ago, vicupstate said:

Ownership of the road has nothing to do with the zoning of anyplace. 

Why propose taking over the ownership of the road without the intent of control?

[Dino Hassiotis]

I do not mind Pendleton St changing to two lanes with a central turn median and two bike lanes on  either side.Nice sidewalks for pedestrians would also be great.Both would not be an impediment to retail businesses, drive throughs included.I would vehemently oppose any elevated/impassable median that restricted access or departure.

[vicupstate]

20 minutes ago, Dino Hassiotis said:

Why propose taking over the ownership of the road without the intent of control?

Of course they will control the road if they take ownership.  But the owner of the road (city, county or state) has no bearing on what is built or operated on the property fronting that road. 

[Dino Hassiotis]

3 minutes ago, vicupstate said:

Of course they will control the road if they take ownership.  But the owner of the road (city, county or state) has no bearing on what is built or operated on the property fronting that road. 

Restricting access would have the same effect as any ordinance.

[vicupstate]

1 hour ago, Dino Hassiotis said:

Restricting access would have the same effect as any ordinance.

What restriction of access?  

[Dino Hassiotis]

If the city decided to build a hard or elevated median it would restrict the direction which you could either enter or exit a structure.That would cause access issues and dissuade certain uses.

[GvilleSC]

10 hours ago, Dino Hassiotis said:

If the city decided to build a hard or elevated median it would restrict the direction which you could either enter or exit a structure.That would cause access issues and dissuade certain uses.

That’s a big “IF” you’re getting all worked up about. Don’t forget: this is a hypothetical discussion at this point. 
The City would not move forward with such a decision without property owner and community input. 

[Dino Hassiotis]

2 hours ago, GvilleSC said:

That’s a big “IF” you’re getting all worked up about. Don’t forget: this is a hypothetical discussion at this point. 
The City would not move forward with such a decision without property owner and community input. 

My brother and I are defending ourselves and the interests of future commercial property owners.The city  has not in any way try to placate or allay our fear and discomfort.It does not help when the WE neighborhood association gangs up against us as well.Our only option is a Judicial review with a jury trial.We will pursue a just and reasonable outcome at our expense.If it comes out that RDV is an illegal zoning ordinance and that we were treated differently than our neighbors then the city will have to answer for itself.

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[johnpro318]

So if you lose will you stop complaining here?

[Dino Hassiotis]

This is a public forum and I have the right to express myself,If we lose we will at least have defended ourselves.The consequences for the City will be much worse if they lose.