Pendleton Street [between West End and West Greenville]

[Dino C Hassiotis]

Traffic backup exceeding three blocks turning left unto 123 from Pendleton St now.What's going to happen in the future with hopefully some new retail businesses?

[Exile]

22 minutes ago, NewlyUpstate said:

There's so many useless 4 lane roads in Greenville that need to be "road dieted" down to 2 as soon as possible. I'm hoping the Augusta Street "trial" results in good information to start pulling the trigger.  As we saw there, the city can make this sort of change overnight if they wanted to in order to test traffic patterns.

Pendleton Street and Cleveland St by the YMCA are the most egregious, in my opinion. 

Way back in the day--say, roughly pre-1973-ish, when their campus near the sewage plant off Mauldin Rd. was completed--the Y hosted CCES's upper school. I'm not sure how long that relationship lasted, but that's the only  thing I can think of to account for that 4-lane stretch of Cleveland, which has puzzled me, too. It may be a relic of a 50-years-defunct state of affairs.

[GvilleSC]

1 hour ago, Dino C Hassiotis said:

Traffic backup exceeding three blocks turning left unto 123 from Pendleton St now.What's going to happen in the future with hopefully some new retail businesses?

There are remedies traffic back-ups. For one, the traffic signal's timing can be adjusted  to allow for adequate flow. Look at the bright side, all of those folks sitting outside of your property get a chance to study your building and its associated business. Free advertising. 

[NewlyUpstate]

1 hour ago, Dino C Hassiotis said:

Traffic backup exceeding three blocks turning left unto 123 from Pendleton St now.What's going to happen in the future with hopefully some new retail businesses?

 

I think when people suggest going to 1 lane each direction, we are talking about travel lanes.  The traffic you show is for left turns which is a different issue dependent on signal timing and turn lane queueing.  You can still have a nice good turn lane at the Academy intersection, but dieting the rest of Pendleton down to 1 lane each direction (especially as you're showing in your pictures... there's basically no travel traffic) will  help make this be a more pleasurable experience for pedestrians, cyclists, and even driving local business-goers.  I'm not sure what your motivations are, but a road diet should substantially increase the likelihood of good businesses entering the area along with walking traffic to existing establishments.

Edited August 11, 2022 by NewlyUpstate

[Dino C Hassiotis]

39 minutes ago, NewlyUpstate said:

I think when people suggest going to 1 lane each direction, we are talking about travel lanes.  The traffic you show is for left turns which is a different issue dependent on signal timing and turn lane queueing.  You can still have a nice good turn lane at the Academy intersection, but dieting the rest of Pendleton down to 1 lane each direction (especially as you're showing in your pictures... there's basically no travel traffic) will  help make this be a more pleasurable experience for pedestrians, cyclists, and even driving local business-goers.  I'm not sure what your motivations are, but a road diet should substantially increase the likelihood of good businesses entering the area along with walking traffic to existing establishments.

 What constitutes a good business and a bad business? And how does that apply to RDV and the proposed road diet?

[NewlyUpstate]

13 minutes ago, Dino C Hassiotis said:

 What constitutes a good business and a bad business? And how does that apply to RDV and the proposed road diet?

My general philosophy about city building is that a downtown area should have something "accessible" on all ground floors within commercial districts.  This can include things like retail, restaurants, bars, hotels, entertainment, services (haircuts, salons, etc), city services (libraries, courts, administration), office buildings with public lobbies, etc.  Above ground floor should be residential or office space.  Once you get off the main commercial street, I'm more open to residential on ground floors - things like townhomes and walk out apartments would fit here.

Those are "good businesses" to me.  Bad businesses in commercial areas are those inaccessible to the public - things like manufacturing, industrial, warehouses, personal storage, office buildings that are totally locked down, etc.

The proposed road diet will make the pedestrian experience better.  Adding landscaping, better lighting, and improved infrastructure will improve that. Then you hit the vicious cycle of more public friendly businesses leads to more pedestrians and vice versa and it all takes off from there.  From my understanding, RDV is supposed to help the city go after these kind of opportunities in areas they are trying to target for redevelopment.

Edited August 11, 2022 by NewlyUpstate

[Dino C Hassiotis]

5 minutes ago, NewlyUpstate said:

My general philosophy about city building is that a downtown area should have something "accessible" on all ground floors within commercial districts.  This can include things like retail, restaurants, bars, hotels, entertainment, services (haircuts, salons, etc), city services (libraries, courts, administration), office buildings with public lobbies, etc.  Above ground floor should be residential or office space.  Once you get off the main commercial street, I'm more open to residential on ground floors - things like townhomes and walk out apartments would fit here.

Those are "good businesses" to me.  Bad businesses in commercial areas are those inaccessible to the public - things like manufacturing, industrial, warehouses, personal storage, office buildings that are totally locked down, etc.

The proposed road diet will make the pedestrian experience better.  Adding landscaping, better lighting, and improved infrastructure will improve that. Then you hit the vicious cycle of more public friendly businesses leads to more pedestrians and vice versa and it all takes off from there.  From my understanding, RDV is supposed to help the city go after these kind of opportunities in areas they are trying to target for redevelopment.

Is a business with a drive thru a bad business?

[NewlyUpstate]

Just now, Dino C Hassiotis said:

Is a business with a drive thru a bad business?

We may have had this conversation before, but it's very dependent on the design of the lot and drive-thru.  Obviously by my comments I greatly favor high density development.  So if your building is taking up a large lot surrounded by a massive private parking lot and has a drive-thru, that feels more like a suburban design to me.  

However if you have a storefront without private parking and you can figure out how to thoughtfully incorporate a drive-thru INTO your high density development, then I think that's fine.  I've seen this in quite a few cities, especially with coffee shops... (like what is already planned on Pendleton).

 

All that being said, I don't think current establishments should be pushed out as long as they don't take advantage of their grandfathered status.  I think all efforts should be given to provide assistance, be it design or financial, into helping legacy businesses incorporate themselves into the preferred urban design.

[transplant08]

Maybe we can start a thread "907 Pendleton St" so we can rehash this argument about RDV, drive thrus, and road diets over and over again there.

[Dino C Hassiotis]

6 hours ago, transplant08 said:

Maybe we can start a thread "907 Pendleton St" so we can rehash this argument about RDV, drive thrus, and road diets over and over again there.

Let me remind you again,if we weren't brought into this discussion I wouldn't be here.

[Dino C Hassiotis]

Three depositions on Monday.Can not find Claire Billingsley(former editor Greenville Journal).Does anyone have any contact information for her?

[Dino C Hassiotis]

Found her,ironically her husband used to own Gringos Cantina until his special exception was taken away during the Covid dining room closures 

Edited August 24, 2022 by Dino C Hassiotis
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[vicupstate]

56 minutes ago, Dino C Hassiotis said:

Found her,ironically her husband used to own Gringos Cantina until his special exemption was taken away during the Covid dining room closures 

Nope. Had NOTHING to do with Covid or a grandfather clause. He failed to meet the requirements of his special exception 

Gringo’s after-hours alcohol fight spills into 13th Circuit Court

 

[Dino C Hassiotis]

On 8/23/2022 at 12:44 PM, vicupstate said:

Nope. Had NOTHING to do with Covid or a grandfather clause. He failed to meet the requirements of his special exception 

Gringo’s after-hours alcohol fight spills into 13th Circuit Court

 

My point is that special exceptions should not be allowed and are not worth the paper they written on.A zoning classification should be clearly worded as to what is allowed and what is not allowed.Special exceptions only help the rich and powerful who can use their wealth and influence to litigate their preferences into being.Witness the Enigma Corporation getting themselves out of RDV and the Stone Family trust getting themselves changed to RDV.

Edited August 24, 2022 by Dino C Hassiotis
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[transplant08]

2 hours ago, Dino C Hassiotis said:

Witness the Enigma Corporation getting themselves out of RDV and the Stone Family trust getting themselves changed to RDV.

Time is a flat circle

[vicupstate]

23 hours ago, Dino C Hassiotis said:

My point is that special exemptions should not be allowed and are not worth the paper they written on.A zoning classification should be clearly worded as to what is allowed and what is not allowed.Special exemptions only help the rich and powerful who can use their wealth and influence to litigate their preferences into being.Witness the Enigma Corporation getting themselves out of RDV and the Stone Family trust getting themselves changed to RDV.

Special Exceptions (not exemptions) are allowed uses that require approval. These ADD to what can be done with a piece of property, not reduce the number of uses. Regardless, neither Sphinx nor Stone Family used one.  As has already been explained to you, Sphinx was allowed to keep the zoning they already had based  on the fact that all of the other three corners of the intersection had the same zoning, and the property fronted not only Pendleton but the much higher trafficked Academy St (US 123).        

[Dino C Hassiotis]

At this point in time Judge Kinlaw and a jury will decide if RDV is illegal and if we were treated in an unconstitutionally different manner than other parties that had the same concerns on Monday.

[apaladin]

Must already be dead. Link doesn’t work. 

[gman430]

1 hour ago, apaladin said:

Must already be dead. Link doesn’t work. 

I will add it to the tombstone list for the Gateway site.  

[vicupstate]

Demolition on the bungalow at 9 Mallard Street is now underway. This is part of the footprint of the project at Pendleton and Mallard .

[GVLover]

38 minutes ago, vicupstate said:

Demolition on the bungalow at 9 Mallard Street is now underway. This is part of the footprint of the project at Pendleton and Mallard .

What is this project exactly? I could be totally making it up, but I feel I have a distant memory of a small hotel proposed on or near this site. 

[vicupstate]

Retail on ground floor with apartments above. Coffee shop got an approval for a drive thru

[vicupstate]

The vacant lot at Mallard and Pendleton (west side) next to the two story office building will finally be developed after laying fallow for 15+ years.  There is an existing parking lot accessed from Arlington that is behind the office building.  That lot will serve this project also. 

35,505 SF

71 parking spaces including the 55 space existing lot.  Single lane access will be added to connect to Mallard

4 Ground level commercial Units that  will be for sale  (all facing Pendleton). Residential flats above. 

20 Residential units that will be for sale.  Most will be townhouses. 

Three separate 3-story buildings  

Pedestrian walkway between two of the buildings and a small plaza area in the rear at the parking lot.

Brick and Cementous material exterior with metal accents and balconies.  

The project will go to the Planning Commission in November. 

[vicupstate]

708 Anderson Rd. Subdivision

[gman430]

https://www.greenvillesc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/10142?fileID=56001