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11 minutes ago, wrldcoupe4 said:

You know, I’ve looked at that article a few times before an never noticed the capital letters in “The Locks Tower.”  Thanks for pointing that out to me.  I had assumed that was just a generic name.  I need to pay attention a little better!:scared:

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Sorry I'm late to the party on this but Just read through this thread..   

Its a shame the original proposal did not go through..  Way better than what is in progress

Better than nothing I guess :tw_cry:

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Wow!  Everything appears to be prefabbed.  Perhaps that is a reason for no tower crane?  Looks kind of cheap to me.  Anyway, thanks for the photo update!!!

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1 hour ago, RVAbigdawg said:

Are there any webcams up on this project?  

I have yet to find one. Would be nice though. I think the developer is too cheap to put one up.  That probably gives you a good indication of the type of development it will be...but I digress....If you, or anyone else, finds one, please post a link here!

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This is from the Locks Facebook page and is from August 27.  I'm trying to be optimistic that this will turn out ok.  Looking at the investment all around their development it's hard to imagine the developers would just allow something horrible to be placed right next to and become part of this nice row of historic development.  

https://www.facebook.com/thelocksrva/

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Very sad to see "throwaway" buildings occupying such a prominent place in the city. The development on Browns Island in the background of this photograph is another great example of missed opportunity. They "value engineered" the decorative roof off the residential "tower" (seen to the left just behind the smoke stack). Even at that, both of those buildings are worthless, architecturally. The fake, tacked-on columns are hideous- all in the name of being "contextual." While buildings of the past, built with good materials and craftsmanship endure, I can't imagine anyone will care to save these buildings if humans are still here 50 years from now. 

Even the Robert A.M Stern-designed US Courthouse on Broad St. seems to be compromised. Up close the fake-stone cladding looks cheap. There are strange gaps that don't line up in the facade which look sloppy and quickly betray the material's "fake-ness". 

One building that seems to be standing out as the exception is the Pickard Chilton-designed glass curtain wall of the new Dominion Tower. Based on their other buildings, I think the crown will be elegant. The whole point of a glass curtain wall may be efficiency and economy, but here it seems to be done right.

It would be nice if the city had more stringent architectural standards for these developments rather than letting everything go to the lowest common denominator. When you look at what we're building, compared to 50-100 years ago, I think it speaks volumes about the decline of our culture. What does it say about a society when it worships short term profit at the expense of the future and no longer wants to invest in quality?

22 minutes ago, Hike said:

This is from the Locks Facebook page and is from August 27.  I'm trying to be optimistic that this will turn out ok.  Looking at the investment all around their development it's hard to imagine the developers would just allow something horrible to be placed right next to and become part of this nice row of historic development.  

https://www.facebook.com/thelocksrva/

321_Aug. 27.jpg

 

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10 minutes ago, skycity said:

Very sad to see "throwaway" buildings occupying such a prominent place in the city. The development on Browns Island in the background of this photograph is another great example of missed opportunity. They "value engineered" the decorative roof off the residential "tower" (seen to the left just behind the smoke stack). The fake, tacked-on columns are hideous- all in the name of being "contextual." While buildings of the past, built with good materials and craftsmanship endure, I can't imagine anyone will care to save these buildings if humans are still here 50 years from now. 

 

If I recall, they also dropped 2-4 floors off the top, compared to the initial rendering containing a decorative roof around the elevator tower.

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1 hour ago, skycity said:

Very sad to see "throwaway" buildings occupying such a prominent place in the city. The development on Browns Island in the background of this photograph is another great example of missed opportunity. They "value engineered" the decorative roof off the residential "tower" (seen to the left just behind the smoke stack). Even at that, both of those buildings are worthless, architecturally. The fake, tacked-on columns are hideous- all in the name of being "contextual." While buildings of the past, built with good materials and craftsmanship endure, I can't imagine anyone will care to save these buildings if humans are still here 50 years from now. 

Even the Robert A.M Stern-designed US Courthouse on Broad St. seems to be compromised. Up close the fake-stone cladding looks cheap. There are strange gaps that don't line up in the facade which look sloppy and quickly betray the material's "fake-ness". 

One building that seems to be standing out as the exception is the Pickard Chilton-designed glass curtain wall of the new Dominion Tower. Based on their other buildings, I think the crown will be elegant. The whole point of a glass curtain wall may be efficiency and economy, but here it seems to be done right.

It would be nice if the city had more stringent architectural standards for these developments rather than letting everything go to the lowest common denominator. When you look at what we're building, compared to 50-100 years ago, I think it speaks volumes about the decline of our culture. What does it say about a society when it worships short term profit at the expense of the future and no longer wants to invest in quality?

There are many reasons why buildings are the way they are, I can’t imagine Richmond’s unique – there’s a masters degree in this topic, probably already written.

2 cents.

I wonder if there’s also a disconnect when it comes to the actual cost of architecture? It may be a reflection that buildings are over designed, don’t accurately reflect the clients budget or actual cost of the design?

It’s my guess that buildings are sent out to bid and come in over budget and the reaction is to strip away pieces, remove floors, go to panelized systems, cheap windows, cheap roof, etc. etc.

They could take time and money to redesign in order to lower the cost and maintain some architectural integrity, but in most cases, I don’t think that happens.  There are schedules, architects want to get it resolved because they agreed to getting it done in budget, on time, etc.  I’d even bet that developers will get a project cost back, which is under budget, but then still look for ways to reduce cost, which hurts the overall desired result.  It really takes a unique client(s) and a talented architectural team to pull off good architecture and with that the need for deep pockets, less concern for the overall cost, mostly focused on the final result – good design.  

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I’m not convinced (yet) that this building will be a turd.  As long as it isn’t ugly (and the design of this one is better than the law firm behind it and Riverfront Towers beside it), it is at worst, just fine.   The finishes will make or break it (and  the prefab panels aren't a good omen).  The scale seems a bit weird on the drawings too (thus the “yet” caveat).  

Not every building needs to be showy.  In fact, the fewer showy buildings the better (Chicago looks better than Dubai for example).   For every great skyscraper in Manhattan, there are dozens of nondescript boxes that are actually doing all of the work.  

I get that this is a good location for something better but in the 400 year history of Richmond, nothing better has come along.  Perhaps this is what’s appropriate for this site.  

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18 minutes ago, Brent114 said:

I’m not convinced (yet) that this building will be a turd.  As long as it isn’t ugly (and the design of this one is better than the law firm behind it and Riverfront Towers beside it), it is at worst, just fine.   The finishes will make or break it (and  the prefab panels aren't a good omen).  The scale seems a bit weird on the drawings too (thus the “yet” caveat).  

Not every building needs to be showy.  In fact, the fewer showy buildings the better (Chicago looks better than Dubai for example).   For every great skyscraper in Manhattan, there are dozens of nondescript boxes that are actually doing all of the work.  

I get that this is a good location for something better but in the 400 year history of Richmond, nothing better has come along.  Perhaps this is what’s appropriate for this site.  

Yes, yes and yes! Cheers to all, it's Vienna Lager time!

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It’s a prefab concrete facade and the windows are very small. I’m not convinced it won’t be a turd, but I hope I’m wrong. 

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14 minutes ago, wrldcoupe4 said:

It’s a prefab concrete facade and the windows are very small. I’m not convinced it won’t be a turd, but I hope I’m wrong. 

Matching up the rendering to what's installed already is the area in red. Looks like there will be glass below at street front. 

 

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It will be interesting to see how they pull this off for sure. 

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On 9/8/2018 at 7:52 PM, wrldcoupe4 said:

She’s a beaut Clark   

If these are the beauts we'll be seeing I'm turning this convoy right on back to St Charles, Lewis

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Still not hating it. I like the modular Eurotrash style, still not the best location for the building though.  I get the disappointment..

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