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10 minutes ago, transplant08 said:

This has to go through two rounds of votes. The second  of which will have new city council members. Things will change.

Unless the new council members feel the same way as their predecessors. All of the council members including the new ones know a lot is at stake if they vote no like with the affordable housing and convention center they all want. Having the mayor and the planning commission recommending a yes vote doesn’t hurt either. 

18 minutes ago, vicupstate said:

The wyff article reads like a rehash article, not a new update. County councii approved the Conference Center funding  tonight but  stipulates County Square has to be approved by year-end or the money commitment could be reversed. 

I don't see that anything has essentially changed.  

Makes sense. That news reporter definitely needs to do some better research. 

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9 minutes ago, transplant08 said:

This has to go through two rounds of votes. The second  of which will have new city council members. Things will change.

All I meant was nothing had changed tonight as a result of the county vote.  There may indeed be some more tweaks coming but the fundamentals will be hard to change.

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I don't understand why some of these council members are upset. What's another measly $2 million on top of the millions upon millions that are slated to be spent on this project by the county? Besides isn't this money coming from a settlement with Prisma anyways? It's basically free money. 

 

The deal struck by Kirven and White didn't sit well with some County Council members who have long criticized Kirven for acting on his own.

Councilman Willis Meadows said the council should be able to debate whether affordable housing is even a county responsibility.

“There’s a lot of little side deals, and it’s got to stop somewhere along the line,” said Meadows, who told his colleagues he was prepared to vote against the financial pledge if not for the guarantee that the council could reconsider if the County Square vote wasn't favorable. “It has to be more than a one man show or a two man show. We’ve got to stop doing things the way we're doing. Otherwise, we don’t need a council.”

Councilman Ennis Fant said that the county should "take the high road" and show leadership before the city's verdict but be willing to reconsider.

Councilman Rick Roberts, who said the council should have never delayed the conference center vote two weeks ago, asked what the value was of a conditional pledge for people trying to plan for funding the project.

"Is it worth what it's written on?" he said.

Roberts criticized Kirven directly for making decisions outside of a broader council consultation. He told Kirven at one point that he shouldn't be smiling at his comments.

“There’s five or six of us that feel like we’re not getting to represent our district in a fair way,” Roberts told Kirven.

“I think that’s on you, Rick,” Kirven responded.

“No, I don’t," Roberts said. "I think it’s on you. But we’ll agree to disagree there. You can’t make decisions on your own and continue to do that without us being involved.”

Kirven said that he negotiated with the mayor after a year and a half of the County Square project being bogged down.

“Somebody had to do something,” Kirven said. "We pushed the issue as far as we could go. But to get it over the goal line will require the efforts of both the city and county councils.”

The County Council's vote on Tuesday was 11-0 without Councilman Joe Dill present.

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