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2 hours ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

I disagree. I think the chamber is trying to correct a mistake no one foresaw. 

 

The HRC is probably a key driver into pressuring companies from expanding and locating to CLT, Asheville and RDU. Rarely does Maroon 5 or other groups that are boycotting mention how Charlotte is a welcoming place. They would probably lose their minds if a company did a relocation here. And because of that, I think they let not only Charlotte down but the gay community here as well. There are plenty of ways to fight for LGBT rights. Punishing a city thats fighting for the same cause is just not productive to their cause. 

I say lets cave into Raleigh's demand and get back to business. It would be pound foolish to take a symbolic stand at this point. It's very apparent our good will doesn't mean anything to the HRC or anyone else.

I foresaw it. Any politics junkie worth his salt knew what was going to happen once HB2 was enacted.

But what I don't foresee is a compromise or resolution if the city caves in to the Chamber and the state. "Charlotte Rescinds LGBT Protections" is not exactly a winning headline. And the state won't repeal the most controversial part of the law, the bathroom provisions.

I see nothing to be gained here. I see things being made worse.

 

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2 hours ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article79369937.html

 

Its things like the HRC praising the city council for its decision to not reach a compromise, while in the same breathe hoping the NBA cancels it's all stars event here that drives me crazy

I don't see the inconsistency. I think both actions are complementary: keep up the economic pressure and praise your allies for not caving into Raleigh Republicans.

There really can be no compromise here and I'm baffled why anyone would think so. Having enacted anti-discrimination protections for the LGBT community, the city can hardly be heard to say it was wrong to do so. That would be civic suicide. No one would ever come here again. The state cannot give an inch on HB2 because to do so would be political suicide. After all, it was enacted as bait to get their voters to the polls.

The courts will have to settle this. 

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Well the thinking that HB2 is going to come and go is over! Almost like a black fog is rolling over the QC as a metaphor. 

HB2 losses top $285 million in Mecklenburg, according to Charlotte Chamber

As many as 1,300 jobs affected in the county

New business inquiries down dramatically

▪ $3.7 million in lost sales and property tax collections for the county.

▪ $202.7 million in lost wages and benefits in the county.

▪ $7.1 million in lost income and sales tax revenue for North Carolina and its counties.

The report also says inquiries about new economic development are down 58 percent since lawmakers passed the bill in March, and client visits down 69 percent from last year.

“We have said all along that the economic loss has been real, the risk of further loss is great, and this is potentially catastrophic to our economy,”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article79503287.html#storylink=cpy

 

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I've always wondered when Charlotte would cross the threshold and be seen as a Great City.  The action of the City Council rejecting a repeal vote on the LGBT ordinance shows the maturity of the Queen City.  Charlotte has done the right and principled thing -- standing up for historically disfavored and marginalized individuals.  That takes enormous guts and courage.  I used to think that the moment that would mark Charlotte's ascendance to the ranks of great world cities would turn on her landing a stunning trophy building or reaching a population milestone such as 1M.  I was wrong.  Instead, Charlotte's willingness to risk the wrath of the State's General Assembly and to legally protect all of her residents has been the truest test of her character and of her emergence as a Great World City.  Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., famously said: "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."  In a remarkable twist of fate that has put Charlotte front and center in a national debate concerning how we treat transgendered individuals, Charlotte has made a defining and profoundly important choice -- to stand with justice.  Historians will note that this was what tested her mettle; this was her shining moment; this was the moment that Charlotte became a Great City.  Amidst the culture wars, Charlotte has, at last, metamorphosized into a just city and a Great City. Mazel tov!        

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15 minutes ago, QCxpat said:

I've always wondered when Charlotte would cross the threshold and be seen as a Great City.  The action of the City Council rejecting a repeal vote on the LGBT ordinance shows the maturity of the Queen City.  Charlotte has done the right and principled thing -- standing up for historically disfavored and marginalized individuals.  That takes enormous guts and courage.  I used to think that the moment that would mark Charlotte's ascendance to the ranks of great world cities would turn on her landing a stunning trophy building or reaching a population milestone such as 1M.  I was wrong.  Instead, Charlotte's willingness to risk the wrath of the State's General Assembly and to legally protect all of her residents has been the truest test of her character and of her emergence as a Great World City.  Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., famously said: "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."  In a remarkable twist of fate that has put Charlotte front and center in a national debate concerning how we treat transgendered individuals, Charlotte has made a defining and profoundly important choice -- to stand with justice.  Historians will note that this was what tested her mettle; this was her shining moment; this was the moment that Charlotte became a Great City.  Amidst the culture wars, Charlotte has, at last, metamorphosized into a just city and a Great City. Mazel tov!        

Hopefully people come back and judge Charlotte by its decisions and not the state it resides in decisions. :) 

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Just a heads up, but early voting for the 2016 Congressional primaries has began. One election that is not getting coverage, but is extremely important to the political state of North Carolina, is the Supreme Court election. The current makeup of the NC Supreme Court is slightly tilted to conservatives, with a four-seat majority. Robert Edmunds is basically a massive shill for the Republicans in the NCGA, and has consistently ruled in their favor whenever a case comes up. If Edmunds is voted out, and replaced with a more left-leaning judge, it might put a cap on some of the damage that is being emitting from the General Assembly. It should be worth noting that the Republicans in the NCGA tried rigging this election so that it was a retention election, but was tossed once it was challenged in court. This would have basically secured his spot on the bench for a lifetime, barring a major scandal. He's running against three candidates: Michael R. Morgan, Sabra Jean Faires, and Daniel G. Robertson. I can't speak for Faires and Robertson, but Morgan is currently a judge on the Third Division of the Superior Court.

If you hate the actions of what the NCGA have done thus far, then please start by voting out Edmunds, and placing a sensible judge on the bench, one that isn't a sock puppet for McCrory, Moore, and Berger.

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Maybe this has already been mentioned here, but I can't find it.  The co-founder of PayPal is gay.  The man who took over Apple after Steve Jobs died, also gay.  There are plenty more.  My point is that the state really does not get the total severity of the situation they have put themselves in.  My plans are to move back to Charlotte after retiring this summer.  It's the city I love and now I feel like it is under attack.  It seems almost like all the bad stuff is falling down on Charlotte and the city is being punished for what is happening.  I will be back soon enough to vote.

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4 hours ago, ES Charlotte said:

Just did some eavesdropping on a meeting.

Apparently Uber was looking at bringing jobs and an office presence to 525 N Tryon and dropped Charlotte from the list due to HB2 (1 of 4 cities).

My contact at the Chamber believes that Charlotte gets dropped from potential expansion lists (just like the one mentioned above) about once per day since HB2 was passed.

Just for fun we can make some hyperbolic calculations. If we assume that HB2 reduced Charlotte's growth rate by 1% (we won't have any idea what that number really is for at least another year) and that reduced growth rate is extended to real estate appreciation, then the loss of 1% of our potential future RE value translates into $740 million of lost value in Mecklenburg. This is money out of the pocket of every property owner in the county. Jennifer Roberts should send a bill to the general assembly. 

[the $74 billion total assessed value of Mecklenburg real estate was obtained from this document: http://charmeck.org/city/charlotte/Newsroom/BudgetDocs/20150317141544963.pdf  ]

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a $740 million loss of value is appx $740 per Mecklenburg resident (no GOP tax policy will come close to replacing that loss)

if you believe that a 1% loss of value in RE appreciation in too much then:

  • a .1% loss of value is a $74 million dollar loss to Mecklenburg residents
  • a .01% loss of value is a $7.4 million dollar loss

surely no one believes that HB2 is good for the economy so what level of economic loss from HB2 do you think is reasonable?

 

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, kermit said:

My contact at the Chamber believes that Charlotte gets dropped from potential expansion lists (just like the one mentioned above) about once per day since HB2 was passed.

Just for fun we can make some hyperbolic calculations. If we assume that HB2 reduced Charlotte's growth rate by 1% (we won't have any idea what that number really is for at least another year) and that reduced growth rate is extended to real estate appreciation, then the loss of 1% of our potential future RE value translates into $740 million of lost value in Mecklenburg. This is money out of the pocket of every property owner in the county. Jennifer Roberts should send a bill to the general assembly. 

[the $74 billion total assessed value of Mecklenburg real estate was obtained from this document: http://charmeck.org/city/charlotte/Newsroom/BudgetDocs/20150317141544963.pdf  ]

 

 

 

Pat supporters are gloating over April jobs report. Let's see how they gloat a year from now. I think the lag will be 6-12 months. Maybe immediate on November if Pat and (R) controls the GA. 

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A prominent tenant rep broker with JLL spoke on HB2's impact on the commercial office front in Charlotte at the Interface panel yesterday - 

“If you look at our business and core offerings, (there are) several different areas where we help our clients,” said Chris Schaaf, executive vice president at JLL. “One of those is major (company) relocations to the state of North Carolina. “It’s come to an absolute screeching halt,” Schaaf continued. “Those inquires have essentially gone away.”

At JLL, Schaaf said the firm tries to internally track the amount of inquires by companies looking to create jobs in North Carolina. Since the bill was signed into law, that number is down 90%, Schaaf said.

http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2016/06/02/hb-2-election-uptown-office-market-big-topics-at.html

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6 hours ago, Crown said:

A prominent tenant rep broker with JLL spoke on HB2's impact on the commercial office front in Charlotte at the Interface panel yesterday - 

“If you look at our business and core offerings, (there are) several different areas where we help our clients,” said Chris Schaaf, executive vice president at JLL. “One of those is major (company) relocations to the state of North Carolina. “It’s come to an absolute screeching halt,” Schaaf continued. “Those inquires have essentially gone away.”

At JLL, Schaaf said the firm tries to internally track the amount of inquires by companies looking to create jobs in North Carolina. Since the bill was signed into law, that number is down 90%, Schaaf said.

http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2016/06/02/hb-2-election-uptown-office-market-big-topics-at.html

Yea, I think we can rest assured that any new development in uptown is postponed for awhile. Oh well, we still have awesome skyline as it stands. Still hurts like heck though. 

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22 hours ago, Crown said:

A prominent tenant rep broker with JLL spoke on HB2's impact on the commercial office front in Charlotte at the Interface panel yesterday - 

“If you look at our business and core offerings, (there are) several different areas where we help our clients,” said Chris Schaaf, executive vice president at JLL. “One of those is major (company) relocations to the state of North Carolina. “It’s come to an absolute screeching halt,” Schaaf continued. “Those inquires have essentially gone away.”

At JLL, Schaaf said the firm tries to internally track the amount of inquires by companies looking to create jobs in North Carolina. Since the bill was signed into law, that number is down 90%, Schaaf said.

http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2016/06/02/hb-2-election-uptown-office-market-big-topics-at.html

I wonder if this not a VERY VERY huge factor in the drop in inquiries (HB-2 definitely doesn't help)

.http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-idUSKCN0YO1I8

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On 6/2/2016 at 10:41 AM, Crown said:

A prominent tenant rep broker with JLL spoke on HB2's impact on the commercial office front in Charlotte at the Interface panel yesterday - 

“If you look at our business and core offerings, (there are) several different areas where we help our clients,” said Chris Schaaf, executive vice president at JLL. “One of those is major (company) relocations to the state of North Carolina. “It’s come to an absolute screeching halt,” Schaaf continued. “Those inquires have essentially gone away.”

At JLL, Schaaf said the firm tries to internally track the amount of inquires by companies looking to create jobs in North Carolina. Since the bill was signed into law, that number is down 90%, Schaaf said.

http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2016/06/02/hb-2-election-uptown-office-market-big-topics-at.html

The Hotel industry is also suffering steep losses probably also. September 22, 2016 is the deadline for the NBA. Also, the city risks loosing the hornets too. 

NBA needs decision on HB2 by summer's end for NC All-Star Game to proceed

 

PLEASE GO OUT AND VOTE THIS WEEK. 

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I like Barkley, but we'll survive.  Besides, I'd be surprised if an acceptable (to the NBA) compromise isn't reached this summer.  Still not sure why Charlotte should be punished since they passed the anti-discrimination law that prompted the law that is objectionable to the NBA.  It would make as much sense to boycott the United States over a law passed by NC as to boycott Charlotte based on something done (over their objections) by the state.      

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This is long but please read and comment. My reply is more about the historic viewpoints of NC residents and just how powerful generational conditioning has influenced the decisions of the current house and senate state government now in office.  

I just read a horribly written and poor veiled attempt by a Raleigh News and Observer "journalist" to stick it to Charlotte and NC as a whole concerning the CIAA tournament and HB2.  While I realize some people object to the CIAA tournament presence in Charlotte, some of it racially motivated, others irritated by the perceived increased crime. I'm not here to fan those flames since at the end of the day, Charlotte does see a net gain in revenue for being the host.  My shaking my head moment has to do with the writers intent to sow the seeds of city hate insisting that the CIAA move the tournament not only due to HB2 but the contract with city is not optimal for the sports league. The solution for this according to the writer, negotiate with Atlanta or even Hampton for a better deal and show how unethical NC is for supporting HB2. As if NC has not suffered enough insecurity in the past while searching for a positive national identity.   I am upset that even today there is city vs city, city envy in NC.  To the point where the general population is willing to sacrifice millions in revenue just to "hold back" our states' premiere city.  Why does this backwards thinking still exist.  Why is it that out of all the southern states, NC is stuck with antiquated thinking and mind numbing provincialism.  Does anyone realize what a wonderful opportunity and ambassador to the world we have in Charlotte.  Yet we see that small minds still think that in 2016 the way to help your population is to be crabs in a barrel.  I am disappointed that Charlotte is being hamstrung by shallow minded, short sighted individuals who would rather slow growth to 1950 levels when Columbia was a peer to Charlotte and Raleigh was just as small as Jackson MS.  

As much as I sat back and admired the progress from a far of my old home I have to look in dismay and shake my head.  Now I fear that if the voters do not mobilize and clean house soon I see those days of NC being ridiculed and reviled as the backward, backwater state that can't get out of the way in spite of itself.  The echoes of the past are getting louder and the legacies are still apparent. Just look at the sheer amount of out-dated highways around Charlotte.  Amongst its peers, the difference is astounding.  I do understand the push for mass transit but highways built in the 50"s have no business not being updated to 21st century standards while The Triad is trying to replicate the metroplex.  

I know this was long but the ignorant comments at the end of the article drove me to get on my soapbox.  As of now, I do not know if I will come home to settle in NC.  I pray that a change will take place soon for I so badly want to experience the greatness of Charlotte.  

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