NC Civil Rights

[grodney]

I'm still trying to figure out how Social Justice Warrior became a bad thing.....as if Social Justice is a bad thing.  I don't even know what virtue whatever is.

ANYWAY, so people really think PayPal (and Red Ventures and NCAA and NBA and the dozens of others) don't care about trans; rather, they (i.e. the person/people in charge) just made the calculation that standing against HB2 would be a net gain (in publicity/money/profit) over not standing against it?  Wow, that's pretty cynical.  Fascinating.  So is it just us sitting there drinking beer.......with me telling you how cynical you are, and you telling me how naive I am?  Lovely.

 

[rancenc]

2 minutes ago, grodney said:

I'm still trying to figure out how Social Justice Warrior became a bad thing.....as if Social Justice is a bad thing.  I don't even know what virtue whatever is.

ANYWAY, so people really think PayPal (and Red Ventures and NCAA and NBA and the dozens of others) don't care about trans; rather, they (i.e. the person/people in charge) just made the calculation that standing against HB2 would be a net gain (in publicity/money/profit) over not standing against it?  Wow, that's pretty cynical.  Fascinating.  So is it just us sitting there drinking beer.......with me telling you how cynical you are, and you telling me how naive I am?  Lovely.

 

I don't think it is cynical, I think it is reality!  If PayPal REALLY REALLY cared about the LGBT community then they would have NEVER EVER set up in hostile environments such as Russia or China....they made their "political and social" stance in April of last year, because it was a quick and easy stance with virtually no financial losses!

[kermit]

57 minutes ago, grodney said:

I'm still trying to figure out how Social Justice Warrior became a bad thing.....as if Social Justice is a bad thing. 

add to your list: "community organizer" "scientist" "teacher" and "expert"

[Dale]

47 minutes ago, rancenc said:

I don't think it is cynical, I think it is reality!  If PayPal REALLY REALLY cared about the LGBT community then they would have NEVER EVER set up in hostile environments such as Russia or China....they made their "political and social" stance in April of last year, because it was a quick and easy stance with virtually no financial losses!

I predict this will elicit groans, eye rolls and "Not this again!"

[rancenc]

31 minutes ago, Dale said:

I predict this will elicit groans, eye rolls and "Not this again!"

Probably so!

 

[urbanlover568]

Can we give HB2 a rest? It's over and repealed. 

[kermit]

14 minutes ago, mpretori said:

 It's over and repealed. 

^ That is a debatable point, and regardless of its repeal status its effects certainly linger.

This is the political ghetto thread after all.

[cjd5050]

13 hours ago, kermit said:

 If a company takes an action that maximizes profitability (regardless of what "some people" think motivated the action) how is that a negative for the company?

How is virtue-signalling a bad thing _for a company_?

I responded to "help me understand how virtue-signaling is a negative" not "help me understand how virtue-signaling is a bad thing _for a company_"...  

 

Why are you changing the topic that you started?

[cjd5050]

18 hours ago, grodney said:

I'm still trying to figure out how Social Justice Warrior became a bad thing.....as if Social Justice is a bad thing.  I don't even know what virtue whatever is.

ANYWAY, so people really think PayPal (and Red Ventures and NCAA and NBA and the dozens of others) don't care about trans; rather, they (i.e. the person/people in charge) just made the calculation that standing against HB2 would be a net gain (in publicity/money/profit) over not standing against it?  Wow, that's pretty cynical.  Fascinating.  So is it just us sitting there drinking beer.......with me telling you how cynical you are, and you telling me how naive I am?  Lovely.

 

Social Justice ≠ Justice.  Huge difference between equal opportunity and equal outcome.  That's why it's bad.  If you're OK with what is going on all over college campuses these days then I feel you're a part of the problem.  

As for the rest...

The world is a cynical place.   

I don't have a problem with companies taking a stand.  Look at Target and the results of their change to a bathroom policy.  They put their money where their mouth is.  That's virtue.  I also don't have a problem with companies not taking a stand.  It's ok to just focus on your business rather than trying to solve social issues.

Where I have a problem is artificial stances and hypocrisy.

Notice how all of the companies that 'took a stand' only did on potential deals?  Notice how you didn't hear anything from companies already here?  The different between virtue and virtue-signaling is what you do when nobody is looking or there are not PR points to be had.  Having a moral code means to follow it in spite of the cost.

PayPal scored some free points at no cost to them on the back of HB2 yet they still do business in Saudi Arabia.  Credit Suisse was always going to come to NC.   It just needed to 'take a stand' during HB2 and wait for the cover from its repeal.  Not a single person making that call actually cared about rights of people.  The reason is the rights or lack thereof are still the same.

What's fascinating to me is how many people don't seem to care about hypocrisy.

 

[grodney]

40 minutes ago, cjd5050 said:

Notice how all of the companies that 'took a stand' only did on potential deals?  Notice how you didn't hear anything from companies already here?  

 

What?

 

"Former Solicitor General and Prop 8 litigator Theodore B. Olson has authored an amicus brief supporting the Justice Department's effort to block HB2, and 68 major corporations have signed on. These companies include American Airlines, Apple, Cisco, eBay, General Electric, IBM, Intel, LinkedIn, Microsoft, NIKE and Salesforce."

 

Also:

"

Against HB2:
 
Among the companies, groups and individuals that have publicly stated their opposition to the new law:

Lionsgate

A+E network

Fox

NASCAR

International Market Centers

23andMe

Instacart

The Honest Company

United Guaranty Corporation

Castlight Health, Inc.

Willis Towers Watson

Merck

IKEA US

Allscripts Healthcare Solutions, Inc.

AIG

Yadkin Bank

Direct Marketing Association

Alcoa Inc.

BASF Corporation

Ben & Jerry’s

Cascade Engineering

Dansko, Etsy

Green Mountain Power

Kickstarter

KPMG LLP

Live Nation Entertainment

New Belgium Brewing

New Seasons Market

Osceola Music

Patagonia

Self-Help

The Fresh Market

Vanguard

Warby Parker

Xerox Corporation

PepsiCo

Hyatt

Reddit

Ingersoll-Rand

The Dow Chemical Company

Hewlett Packard Enterprise

Smiles by Payet Family Dentistry

Northrop Grumman

Barnes and Noble

Sivan Capri Agency

Ralph Lauren

American Apparel

Qualcomm

Twilio

Udacity

Albemarle Corp.

Choice Hotels International

Pandora Media

EMC Corporation

NBA

Bank of America

Wells Fargo

Ally Financial

American Airlines

Lowe’s Cos.

Facebook

Google

Box

Salesforce

Levi Strauss

Encore Music Publishers

Airbnb

Apple

Red Hat

Pendo

Mountain Khakis

Citrix

Square

Twitter

Lyft

Pfizer Inc.

LinkedIn

Glassdoor

Dropbox

YouTube

American Express Company

AXA Financial Inc.

Bloomberg L.P.

Capital One

Classical American Homes Preservation Trust

Campbell Soup Company

CohnReznick LLP

CrowdRise

eMaint Enterprises LLC

Ernst & Young LLP

Estée Lauder

John Hancock Financial

Kohler Co.

Logitech

Plum Organics

RBC Capital Markets

REI

Strava Inc.

The Hartford

Time Warner Cable

United Airlines

Visa Inc.

Williams-Sonoma Inc.

Starbucks

Citibank

TD Bank

Hilton

Starwood

Accenture

Kellogg’s

Uber

Tumblr

Gogobot

Intel

Yahoo

Orbitz.com

CheapTickets.com

Gilt

Replacements, Ltd.

Zynga

Jawbone

Braintree

Matrix Partners

Cisco Systems

The PNC Financial Services Group

Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance

Oracle

Whole Foods Market

InterContinental Hotels Group

Kimpton Hotels Restaurants

LabCorp

BD

Thermo Fisher Scientific, Inc.

Dr. Bronner’s

Herbalife

IBM

Biogen

Miramax

PayPal

Pinterest

Marriott International

Microsoft

Yelp

Nextdoor

The Home Collection Furnished Rentals (Charlotte)

Saturday Brand Communications

The Common Market (Charlotte)

Allison Construction LLC (Charlotte)

Smash Communications

Singley + Mackie

Singley Content Studios

Adam Shankman, director and producer

Rob Reiner, director

Duke University

Wake Forest University

Davidson College

Queens University

The European Union

State of New York

State of Vermont

State of Washington

State of Minnesota

State of Connecticut

City of Atlanta

City of San Francisco

City of Boston

City of Seattle

City of West Palm Beach, Fla.

City of Santa Fe, N.M.

City of Wilton Manors, Fla.

American Society of Interior Designers

ACPA-College Student Educators International

NC League of Municipalities

The American Kennel Club

Human Rights Campaign

Equality NC

Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network

UltraViolet

American Society of Association Executives

Computer & Communications Industry Association

Consumer Technology Association

Software & Information Industry Association

Motion Picture Association of America

The District of Columbia Water and Sewer Authority

Alex Dimitrief, Senior Vice President and General Counsel, GE

Ric Elias, CEO of Red Ventures

Casey Wasserman, President and CEO of the Wasserman Foundation

Steven R. Boal, CEO, Quotient Technology Inc.

Brandee Barker, Cofounder, The Pramana Collective

Michael Birch, Founder, Blab

Mike Cannon-Brookes and Scott Farquhar, co-CEOs, Atlassian

Lorna Borenstein, CEO, Grokker

Vice Forlenza, Chairman, CEO and President, BD

Paul T. Dacier, Executive Vice President and General Counsel, EMC Corporation

Brad Brinegar, Chairman and CEO, McKinney

Lloyd Carney, CEO, Brocade Communications Systems, Inc.

Ron Conway, Founder and Co-Managing Partner, SV Angel

Dean Debnam, Chairman and CEO, Workplace Options

David Ebersman, Cofounder and CEO, Lyra Health

Jared Fliesler, General Partner, Matrix Partners

Jason Goldberg, CEO, Pepo

Mike Gregoire, CEO, CA Technologies

Alan King, President and COO, Workplace Options

Kristen Koh Goldstein, CEO, BackOps

Mitchell Gold, co-founder and chair-man, Mitchell Gold + Bob Williams

Paul Graham, Founder, Y Combinator

David Hassell, CEO, 15Five

Dave Imre, Partner and CEO, IMRE

Dev Ittycheria, President & CEO, MongoDB

Laurene Powell Jobs, President, Emerson Collective

Cecily Joseph, VP Corporate Responsibility and Chief Diversity Officer, Symantec Corporation

Joshua Kushner, Managing Partner, Thrive Capital

Max Levchin, CEO, Affirm

Dion Lim, CEO, NextLesson

Shan-lyn Ma, CEO, Zola

Bill Maris, CEO, Google Ventures

Melody McCloskey, CEO, StyleSeat

Douglas Merrill, CEO, Zestfinance

Dyke Messinger, President and CEO, Power Curbers Inc.

Michael Natenshon, CEO, Marine Layer

Alexi G. Nazem, Cofounder and CEO, Nomad Health

Laurie J. Olson, EVP, Strategy, Portfolio and Commercial Operations, Pfizer Inc.

Evan Reece, CEO, Liftopia

Stan Reiss, General Partner, Matrix Partners

John Replogle, CEO, Seventh Generation

Dan Rosensweig, CEO, Chegg

Kevin P. Ryan, Founder and Chairman, Alleycorp

Bijan Sabet, General Partner, Spark Capital

Julie Samuels, President, Engine

David A. Shaywitz, MD, PhD, Chief Medical Officer, DNAnexus

Behshad Sheldon, President and CEO, Braeburn Pharmaceuticals

Mark Trudeau, President and CEO, Mallinckrodt Pharmaceuticals

David Spector, Cofounder, ThirdLove

Bret Taylor, CEO, Quip

Todd Thibodeaux, CEO, CompTIA

David Tisch, Managing Partner, BoxGroup

Kevin A. Trapani, President and CEO, The Redwood Groups

Bob & Harvey Weinstein, Co-Founders and Co-Chairmen, The Weinstein Company

"

[cjd5050]

8 minutes ago, grodney said:

What?

 

"Former Solicitor General and Prop 8 litigator Theodore B. Olson has authored an amicus brief supporting the Justice Department's effort to block HB2, and 68 major corporations have signed on. These companies include American Airlines, Apple, Cisco, eBay, General Electric, IBM, Intel, LinkedIn, Microsoft, NIKE and Salesforce."

Oh so putting your company or name on an amicus brief is taking a stand?  That's cute.  You must still believe in Santa.  

Here is a link to a list of companies that provide some sort of transgender inclusive benefits.  It's published by the HRC.  http://www.hrc.org/resources/corporate-equality-index-list-of-businesses-with-transgender-inclusive-heal

Notice how Lionsgate, NASCAR, AIG and REI are not on the list of companies offering benefits but are on the amicus brief?  Ya...one costs money.  The other is a cheap press grab that impresses naive people.  

IKEA is on your list.  They are a retailer like Target with public restrooms and actually got a perfect score on the Corporate Equality Index from the HRC.  But have they implemented a bathroom policy that is equal to what Charlotte wanted to implement with it's ordinance or what Target did on its own?  What about the other retailers with public restrooms?

Or is it a matter of do what I say and not what I do....you know...hypocrisy.

 

 

 

[elrodvt]

Just for the fun of it: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3p7qez/

[Dale]

5 hours ago, grodney said:

What?

 

"Former Solicitor General and Prop 8 litigator Theodore B. Olson has authored an amicus brief supporting the Justice Department's effort to block HB2, and 68 major corporations have signed on. These companies include American Airlines, Apple, Cisco, eBay, General Electric, IBM, Intel, LinkedIn, Microsoft, NIKE and Salesforce."

 

Also:

"

Against HB2:
 
Among the companies, groups and individuals that have publicly stated their opposition to the new law:

Lionsgate

A+E network

Fox

NASCAR

International Market Centers

23andMe

Instacart

The Honest Company

United Guaranty Corporation

Castlight Health, Inc.

Willis Towers Watson

Merck

IKEA US

Allscripts Healthcare Solutions, Inc.

AIG

Yadkin Bank

Direct Marketing Association

Alcoa Inc.

BASF Corporation

Ben & Jerry’s

Cascade Engineering

Dansko, Etsy

Green Mountain Power

Kickstarter

KPMG LLP

Live Nation Entertainment

New Belgium Brewing

New Seasons Market

Osceola Music

Patagonia

Self-Help

The Fresh Market

Vanguard

Warby Parker

Xerox Corporation

PepsiCo

Hyatt

Reddit

Ingersoll-Rand

The Dow Chemical Company

Hewlett Packard Enterprise

Smiles by Payet Family Dentistry

Northrop Grumman

Barnes and Noble

Sivan Capri Agency

Ralph Lauren

American Apparel

Qualcomm

Twilio

Udacity

Albemarle Corp.

Choice Hotels International

Pandora Media

EMC Corporation

NBA

Bank of America

Wells Fargo

Ally Financial

American Airlines

Lowe’s Cos.

Facebook

Google

Box

Salesforce

Levi Strauss

Encore Music Publishers

Airbnb

Apple

Red Hat

Pendo

Mountain Khakis

Citrix

Square

Twitter

Lyft

Pfizer Inc.

LinkedIn

Glassdoor

Dropbox

YouTube

American Express Company

AXA Financial Inc.

Bloomberg L.P.

Capital One

Classical American Homes Preservation Trust

Campbell Soup Company

CohnReznick LLP

CrowdRise

eMaint Enterprises LLC

Ernst & Young LLP

Estée Lauder

John Hancock Financial

Kohler Co.

Logitech

Plum Organics

RBC Capital Markets

REI

Strava Inc.

The Hartford

Time Warner Cable

United Airlines

Visa Inc.

Williams-Sonoma Inc.

Starbucks

Citibank

TD Bank

Hilton

Starwood

Accenture

Kellogg’s

Uber

Tumblr

Gogobot

Intel

Yahoo

Orbitz.com

CheapTickets.com

Gilt

Replacements, Ltd.

Zynga

Jawbone

Braintree

Matrix Partners

Cisco Systems

The PNC Financial Services Group

Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance

Oracle

Whole Foods Market

InterContinental Hotels Group

Kimpton Hotels Restaurants

LabCorp

BD

Thermo Fisher Scientific, Inc.

Dr. Bronner’s

Herbalife

IBM

Biogen

Miramax

PayPal

Pinterest

Marriott International

Microsoft

Yelp

Nextdoor

The Home Collection Furnished Rentals (Charlotte)

Saturday Brand Communications

The Common Market (Charlotte)

Allison Construction LLC (Charlotte)

Smash Communications

Singley + Mackie

Singley Content Studios

Adam Shankman, director and producer

Rob Reiner, director

Duke University

Wake Forest University

Davidson College

Queens University

The European Union

State of New York

State of Vermont

State of Washington

State of Minnesota

State of Connecticut

City of Atlanta

City of San Francisco

City of Boston

City of Seattle

City of West Palm Beach, Fla.

City of Santa Fe, N.M.

City of Wilton Manors, Fla.

American Society of Interior Designers

ACPA-College Student Educators International

NC League of Municipalities

The American Kennel Club

Human Rights Campaign

Equality NC

Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network

UltraViolet

American Society of Association Executives

Computer & Communications Industry Association

Consumer Technology Association

Software & Information Industry Association

Motion Picture Association of America

The District of Columbia Water and Sewer Authority

Alex Dimitrief, Senior Vice President and General Counsel, GE

Ric Elias, CEO of Red Ventures

Casey Wasserman, President and CEO of the Wasserman Foundation

Steven R. Boal, CEO, Quotient Technology Inc.

Brandee Barker, Cofounder, The Pramana Collective

Michael Birch, Founder, Blab

Mike Cannon-Brookes and Scott Farquhar, co-CEOs, Atlassian

Lorna Borenstein, CEO, Grokker

Vice Forlenza, Chairman, CEO and President, BD

Paul T. Dacier, Executive Vice President and General Counsel, EMC Corporation

Brad Brinegar, Chairman and CEO, McKinney

Lloyd Carney, CEO, Brocade Communications Systems, Inc.

Ron Conway, Founder and Co-Managing Partner, SV Angel

Dean Debnam, Chairman and CEO, Workplace Options

David Ebersman, Cofounder and CEO, Lyra Health

Jared Fliesler, General Partner, Matrix Partners

Jason Goldberg, CEO, Pepo

Mike Gregoire, CEO, CA Technologies

Alan King, President and COO, Workplace Options

Kristen Koh Goldstein, CEO, BackOps

Mitchell Gold, co-founder and chair-man, Mitchell Gold + Bob Williams

Paul Graham, Founder, Y Combinator

David Hassell, CEO, 15Five

Dave Imre, Partner and CEO, IMRE

Dev Ittycheria, President & CEO, MongoDB

Laurene Powell Jobs, President, Emerson Collective

Cecily Joseph, VP Corporate Responsibility and Chief Diversity Officer, Symantec Corporation

Joshua Kushner, Managing Partner, Thrive Capital

Max Levchin, CEO, Affirm

Dion Lim, CEO, NextLesson

Shan-lyn Ma, CEO, Zola

Bill Maris, CEO, Google Ventures

Melody McCloskey, CEO, StyleSeat

Douglas Merrill, CEO, Zestfinance

Dyke Messinger, President and CEO, Power Curbers Inc.

Michael Natenshon, CEO, Marine Layer

Alexi G. Nazem, Cofounder and CEO, Nomad Health

Laurie J. Olson, EVP, Strategy, Portfolio and Commercial Operations, Pfizer Inc.

Evan Reece, CEO, Liftopia

Stan Reiss, General Partner, Matrix Partners

John Replogle, CEO, Seventh Generation

Dan Rosensweig, CEO, Chegg

Kevin P. Ryan, Founder and Chairman, Alleycorp

Bijan Sabet, General Partner, Spark Capital

Julie Samuels, President, Engine

David A. Shaywitz, MD, PhD, Chief Medical Officer, DNAnexus

Behshad Sheldon, President and CEO, Braeburn Pharmaceuticals

Mark Trudeau, President and CEO, Mallinckrodt Pharmaceuticals

David Spector, Cofounder, ThirdLove

Bret Taylor, CEO, Quip

Todd Thibodeaux, CEO, CompTIA

David Tisch, Managing Partner, BoxGroup

Kevin A. Trapani, President and CEO, The Redwood Groups

Bob & Harvey Weinstein, Co-Founders and Co-Chairmen, The Weinstein Company

"

Watch them all come slinking back now that bathrooms are aligned with biology and non-discrimination ordinances are disallowed.*

*Because there is an appearance of a repeal

 

 

 

[grodney]

On 5/10/2017 at 0:32 PM, cjd5050 said:

Oh so putting your company or name on an amicus brief is taking a stand?  That's cute.  You must still believe in Santa.  

Charming.

Listen, you said "Notice how all of the companies that 'took a stand' only did on potential deals?  Notice how you didn't hear anything from companies already here?". 

So yeah, I'd say signing a brief and/or publicly opposing HB2 doesn't match your statement of "didn't hear anything".  Perhaps I didn't understand what you meant by "didn't hear anything".  If you choose to define that differently than me, well, there you go.

 

[cjd5050]

49 minutes ago, grodney said:

Charming.

Listen, you said "Notice how all of the companies that 'took a stand' only did on potential deals?  Notice how you didn't hear anything from companies already here?". 

So yeah, I'd say signing a brief and/or publicly opposing HB2 doesn't match your statement of "didn't hear anything".  Perhaps I didn't understand what you meant by "didn't hear anything".  If you choose to define that differently than me, well, there you go.

Yes, we define 'taking a stand' differently.  A massive company with influence that considers signing a brief is taking a stand is like an individual liking a Facebook post and thinking they did something that matters.  

I wonder if the starving kids in Africa feel like that ate a meal every 1,000 likes?  I am also sure the Trans community feels great at NASCAR locations when they have to go to a different bathroom than they feel comfortable with knowing that NASCAR went as far as putting their name on a brief.  

Give me 10 minutes to go like and retweet some stuff.  I feel like changing the world this morning.  

 

[grodney]

6 minutes ago, cjd5050 said:

Yes, we define 'taking a stand' differently.  

This is really all that was necessary.

Although you seem confused, since I focused on "didn't hear anything" (as I thought was pretty clear by what I typed...since I bolded it and put it in quotes) and you keep switching back to "taking a stand".  But whatevs.....I'm perfectly content knowing that 2 people can see the same thing 2 ways.

[Dale]

On ‎5‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 5:05 PM, grodney said:

I'm still trying to figure out how Social Justice Warrior became a bad thing.....as if Social Justice is a bad thing.  I don't even know what virtue whatever is.

ANYWAY, so people really think PayPal (and Red Ventures and NCAA and NBA and the dozens of others) don't care about trans; rather, they (i.e. the person/people in charge) just made the calculation that standing against HB2 would be a net gain (in publicity/money/profit) over not standing against it?  Wow, that's pretty cynical.  Fascinating.  So is it just us sitting there drinking beer.......with me telling you how cynical you are, and you telling me how naive I am?  Lovely.

 

Of course Social Justice isn't a bad thing. Wait, what is Social Justice ?

[grodney]

17 minutes ago, Dale said:

Of course Social Justice isn't a bad thing. Wait, what is Social Justice ?

Exactly.

[grodney]

Whoa, this is huge.....the Supreme Court won't hear the appeal to try to re-instate Voter ID laws (which were struck down due to their racial targeting): https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/voter-id-laws-supreme-court-north-carolina.html?_r=0

 

[nowensone]

I have no doubt that for many who crafted this, it was racially targeted, which is to project, party targeted, though the metrics confuse me a bit.  The restrictive measures might disproportionately affect blacks, but numerically I would expect this to be a wash, since there are broad similarities with poor "whites" and the voting challenges these would create, who disproportionately vote Republican.  Especially in NC, and probably most of the 4th circuit outside of the DC metro.  A lower percent of poor whites, but more of them, being the "wash" argument.

Also interesting I think is that the appeal noted blacks ("African Americans") as the target but not Hispanics, who make up around 10% of NC's population.  Was this not a factor in the appeal, or not politically expedient?  The similar case in Texas was inclusive of them so would seem to indicate that is another general group more democratic leaning in voting patterns.

In any case, I think the real problem to combat is motivation to vote, and if striking down the restrictions encourages more widespread voting then an absolute win.

[Dale]

We hate blacks because we want everyone to have a voter ID card.

Meanwhile, actually voter suppression is highest in New York.*

*NY Governor Cuomo has banned government travel to NC, because hate.

[archiham04]

On 5/17/2017 at 2:46 PM, nowensone said:

Also interesting I think is that the appeal noted blacks ("African Americans") as the target but not Hispanics, who make up around 10% of NC's population.  Was this not a factor in the appeal, or not politically expedient?  The similar case in Texas was inclusive of them so would seem to indicate that is another general group more democratic leaning in voting patterns.

From listening to the commentary yesterday the main argument is that there is such a clear correlation between race and party in NC.  Hispanics being left out is a factor of both size of population, and lack of clear leaning for party.  According to this, The percentage of NC Republicans that are Hispanic is 2%.  the percentage of NC Democrats that are Hispanic  is 2%.  For African Americans: The percentage of NC Republicans that are African American is 22%, The percentage of NC Democrats that are African American is 46%.

The Supreme Court basically said that as long as there is this alignment, all political gerrymandering in NC impacts African Americans disproportionately and is therefore unconstitutional.

[Dale]

With the NBA coming back, is there going to be another #Roycott to punish North Carolinians ?

[jednc]

Sorry, I don't get it. What is a Roycott?

[Dale]

1 hour ago, jednc said:

Sorry, I don't get it. What is a Roycott?

A boycotting endorsement from then would-be Governor, Roy Cooper, to effectively punish ordinary North Carolinians because the legislature would not permit Charlotte to dictate bathroom policy, hiring practices, etc., to private businesses.