Peabody Union (27 story residential, 354 units, 251,000 sq. ft. office, 50,000 sq. ft. retail), Peabody Plaza (9-story, 280,000 sq. ft. office), & 4 smaller buildings, MDHA Trolley Barn sites

[Luvemtall]

1 hour ago, Flatrock said:

@nashvylleresponded appropriately. Most of us don't get to put things under contract with a static strike price for 5 years - while we use our money for other things. A very sweet deal. Hope that makes sense, my friend. 

Love the project, though. New renderings look fantastic!

Fair enough, points well taken. I’m sure there was some pocket padding going on somewhere. I’m still wondering why they picked this proposal over some of the others that were put out there. Some were stunning, but this is what’s going to be built.although  It’s going to look quite nice sitting in that spot. No worries friends , just conversations. 

[Luvemtall]

2 hours ago, chris holman said:

Another rendering. This along with the other towers going up on the other side of City Lights will be a gamechanger 

Is not that parking lot , on the corner of Hermitage and KVB going to be sold for development ? If so , that will just enhance this whole project 

[markhollin]

28 minutes ago, Luvemtall said:

Is not that parking lot , on the corner of Hermitage and KVB going to be sold for development ? If so , that will just enhance this whole project 

Yes,  that corner lot (notated as Polygon 67 below) is owned by MDHA, and will be the final parcel sold.  I was told by the then-director of MDHA about 6 years ago that they were envisioning at least  30 story tower going there.  As far as I know, they still have not opened it up for bids yet. 
 

[Luvemtall]

Thanks Mark, at least 30 stories would be awesome! With the possibility that Tishman builds as expected, that area will become quite handsome indeed. 

[bigeasy]

On 1/28/2022 at 3:20 PM, TheSound said:

Seems odd that you would get a building specifically approved for 32 floors a couple years ago and then come back in an even hotter Nashville environment and shorten it by 5 floors. 

The Nashville way

[nashville born]

11 minutes ago, bigeasy said:

The Nashville way

I see what you did there!  LMBO....Mando!

[Baronakim]

On 1/28/2022 at 3:20 PM, TheSound said:

Seems odd that you would get a building specifically approved for 32 floors a couple years ago and then come back in an even hotter Nashville environment and shorten it by 5 floors.  Oh well.  Still can't wait to see this one get going.  Let all the South-of-KVB craziness commence!!  I'm reeeeaaalllllyyyyy hoping we get an announcement with renderings of the Tishman project this year.  

Not at all odd.   An architect NEVER starts design with a specific number of stories in mind.  That criteria is firmly embedded wrongly in the mindset of  some members of this forum IMO... the taller the better!  If, through the skill of the architect, the owner is presented with the requested number of marketable units  of a desired size, with the elimination of five very expensive floors, that would be considered a great success.  Certainly, there could have been more units added, but if it can be designed  within a similar floor area with more efficient layouts, I suspect that the owners would be quite pleased to drop ANOTHER story or two.  Th e point of the present boom is to make money with buildings that can be financed reasonably.  Many of our members sometimes miss the point of  what shapes the final product .  One of the criteria  I would like to see changed is allowing floors of stick built construction on a concrete parking platform that is results is some of the dreadful sameness here presently.  Likewise another criteria is greed which has delivered us with the appalling monstrosity of Haven.

Edited February 1, 2022 by Baronakim

[CandyAisles]

1 hour ago, Baronakim said:

Not at all odd.   Any architect NEVER starts design with a specific number of stories in mind.  That criteria is firmly embedded wrongly in the mindset of  some members of this forum IMO... the taller the better!  If, through the skill of the architect, the owner is presented with the requested number of marketable units  of a desired size, with the elimination of five very expensive floors, that would be considered a great success.  Certainly, there could have been more units added, but if it can be designed  within a similar floor area with more efficient layouts, I suspect that the owners would be quite pleased to drop ANOTHER story or two.  Th e point of the present boom is to make money with buildings that can be financed reasonably.  Many of our members sometimes miss the point of  what shapes the final product .  One of the criteria  I would like to see changed is allowing floors of stick built construction on a concrete parking platform that is results is some of the dreadful sameness here presently.  Likewise another criteria is greed which has delivered us with the appalling monstrosity of Haven.

[erdichia]

On 1/28/2022 at 3:17 PM, markhollin said:

Ray Hensler says he will finalize the $16 million purchase of the 4.47 acre Peabody Union site from MDHA by late February, and ground breaking should occur in April.Once approved for 32 stories, the main tower will now be 27 floors and will include 354 residential units.  The adjoining Class A office structure will be 6 floors with 251,000 sq. ft. of office space.  Both buildings will have a cumulative 33,000 sq. ft. of ground level retail.  No word on how many parking spaces will be in the underground/internal garage. A fall of 2024 completion date is planned.  New renderings below.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/images-released-for-soon-to-start-tower-overlooking-river/article_5053d85e-8066-11ec-966a-57b1734b6568.html
 

 

 

 

 

Crazy that this is Nashville. If you had shown this to someone ten years ago the only clue would be the almost hidden Batman building.

[markhollin]

MDHA Design Review Committee approved the Hensler plan for Peabody Union on Tuesday.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/metro-oks-rolling-mill-hill-mixed-use-project-plan/article_bdebbb7a-83a4-11ec-a1fe-43c104da3ba5.html

[UrbanWes03]

2 hours ago, markhollin said:

MDHA Design Review Committee approved the Hensler plan for Peabody Union on Tuesday.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/metro-oks-rolling-mill-hill-mixed-use-project-plan/article_bdebbb7a-83a4-11ec-a1fe-43c104da3ba5.html

[Armacing]

On 2/1/2022 at 10:20 AM, Baronakim said:

Not at all odd.   An architect NEVER starts design with a specific number of stories in mind.  That criteria is firmly embedded wrongly in the mindset of  some members of this forum IMO... the taller the better!  If, through the skill of the architect, the owner is presented with the requested number of marketable units  of a desired size, with the elimination of five very expensive floors, that would be considered a great success.  Certainly, there could have been more units added, but if it can be designed  within a similar floor area with more efficient layouts, I suspect that the owners would be quite pleased to drop ANOTHER story or two.  Th e point of the present boom is to make money with buildings that can be financed reasonably.  Many of our members sometimes miss the point of  what shapes the final product .  One of the criteria  I would like to see changed is allowing floors of stick built construction on a concrete parking platform that is results is some of the dreadful sameness here presently.  Likewise another criteria is greed which has delivered us with the appalling monstrosity of Haven.

That may all be true, but that doesn't change one simple fact:  The taller the better!

[Baronakim]

23 hours ago, Armacing said:

That may all be true, but that doesn't change one simple fact:  The taller the better!

Besides your personal opinion...why?   Do you have substantiation to support your statement?  Nashville is not Dubai.

 

[Armacing]

8 hours ago, Baronakim said:

Besides your personal opinion...why?   Do you have substantiation to support your statement?  Nashville is not Dubai.

 

There are plenty of negative things about Dubai, but I think Nashville could draw inspiration from Dubai in terms of being pro-growth and not being afraid to dream big and build tall.  There is a lot of noise made about buildings needing to be "in context" in Nashville.  I think most would agree that just about every building in Dubai is hella out of context, but that in-and-of-itself is the context of Dubai.  The only way to change the "context" in Nashville is by allowing new buildings that are out of context.  And the context needs to change, in my opinion.  Nashville needs to change and grow up; both figuratively and literally.

[Baronakim]

12 minutes ago, Armacing said:

There are plenty of negative things about Dubai, but I think Nashville could draw inspiration from Dubai in terms of being pro-growth and not being afraid to dream big and build tall.  There is a lot of noise made about buildings needing to be "in context" in Nashville.  I think most would agree that just about every building in Dubai is hella out of context, but that in-and-of-itself is the context of Dubai.  The only way to change the "context" in Nashville is by allowing new buildings that are out of context.  And the context needs to change, in my opinion.  Nashville needs to change and grow up; both figuratively and literally.

Your reply seems to have little to do with my question and expounding on  "context" is something I have heard little to any "noise" by members on this forum.  It seems to me you are dodging my question.  Also your preocupation with "Taller the better" is NEVER going to do an end run around the FAA, much as you would express any sound an fury about it.  Nashville is going to be limited to under 750 feet or so and that is that I am afraid.   As Ron commented, the large supply of land will most likely make building up to the FAA limits very seldomly desirable to deveopers.

[Luvemtall]

Well , this has been a great read. IMO a bit of both views are good . @Baronakim I truly appreciate your insight & professional knowledge. Your post always intrigue me. Yes Nashville is definitely not Dubai… but I do agree with some of the points @Armacingis making. With all the available land that Nashville does have , and it seems as mentioned in another post , whole new neighborhoods are emerging. I think he’s got a point of being pro-growth and not afraid to dream big. If not for the big dreams of Tony G , who basically started the downtown living scene here. His desire to dream big has inspired a lot. I really do believe that one day soon the tall boys will be built here. They will work with the FAA , as we just seen that it is on a case by case kind of thing. Signature tower was originally to be built at 1030 feet , well above the FAA 750’ guidelines. I would ponder that deep enough pockets , could probably build whatever they could dream. Anyway it’s great conversation, and my sincere respect to all.

[PaulChinetti]

14 hours ago, Baronakim said:

Your reply seems to have little to do with my question and expounding on  "context" is something I have heard little to any "noise" by members on this forum.  It seems to me you are dodging my question.  Also your preocupation with "Taller the better" is NEVER going to do an end run around the FAA, much as you would express any sound an fury about it.  Nashville is going to be limited to under 750 feet or so and that is that I am afraid.   As Ron commented, the large supply of land will most likely make building up to the FAA limits very seldomly desirable to deveopers.

The FAA doesn't have an outright ban on any buildings. Studies are done and such. See my comment in another thread.

https://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/topic/53094-nashville-bits-and-pieces/?do=findComment&comment=1787055

 

Edited February 4, 2022 by PaulChinetti

[nashville born]

17 minutes ago, PaulChinetti said:

The FAA doesn't have an outright ban on any buildings. Studies are done and such. See my comment in another thread.

https://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/topic/53094-nashville-bits-and-pieces/?do=findComment&comment=1787055

 

"So you're telling me there's a chance!  Yeah!!!!!"    (for a tall boy one day!!!)

 

[Licec]

What is it that Freud said about guys and their "short comings"?

[markhollin]

Peabody Plaza (9 stories, 230,000 sq. ft. office space, ground level retail, underground garage) interior shots by  Turner Midsouth:

[Bos2Nash]

Not a very inviting office, but then again I have never worked in a bank office. This falls into my perception of a bank office would look like though

[Deepdish53]

9 minutes ago, Bos2Nash said:

Not a very inviting office, but then again I have never worked in a bank office. This falls into my perception of a bank office would look like though

These aren't pictures of the bank offices, they're pictures from the recent build-out of the fourth floor for Kimley-Horn.

[Bos2Nash]

13 minutes ago, Deepdish53 said:

These aren't pictures of the bank offices, they're pictures from the recent build-out of the fourth floor for Kimley-Horn.

Well crap, now I've offended an engineer. This will only reinforce the stereotype of a judgey architect and the contentious relationship with engineers haha 

[smeagolsfree]

8 minutes ago, Bos2Nash said:

Well crap, now I've offended an engineer. This will only reinforce the stereotype of a judgey architect and the contentious relationship with engineers haha 

Join the club of open mouth and insert foot!

[Deepdish53]

1 hour ago, Bos2Nash said:

Well crap, now I've offended an engineer. This will only reinforce the stereotype of a judgey architect and the contentious relationship with engineers haha 

All good! Us engineers aren't known for our artistic qualities haha