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Anyone know what’s happening in this space, with all the scaffolding? It’s 735 Granby (NEON District), next to Cardinal Skate Shop. 

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Malls aren't dying, they're changing — even in Hampton Roads. Here's how. - Virginian Pilot

This article covers a handful of local malls as well as some national examples as to how they’re handling the changing retail trends. 

MacArthur - no progress on the third anchor site but plans announced at last year’s State of the City remain. 

Military Circle - briefly mentioned the office conversion but I wanted to add that more of this could be coming. A friend that works for Sentara said they are looking into leasing additional space there. 

Pembroke - confirmed what was shared in the Virginia Beach forum recently that they are working on long-term plans for buildings as high as 15-stories. Near term plans involve converting smaller spaces into junior anchor spaces. 

Chesapeake Square - Kotarides is clustering tenants towards the movie theater with plans to add entertainment & dining. Office conversion for other spaces are on the table. 

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Hotel/residents addition to MacArthur needs to be at least 15 stories just sayin :whistling:

But honestly how has it been a year with what is equivalent to 0 movement on it. I mean this is the first we've even heard of it since the state of the city address last year.

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Convert MacArthur into mixed-use with offices (including Optima and Movement), hotels, restaurants, etc. Open up that middle corridor to foot traffic and make at an indoor/outdoor mall. Way too much land there to let it go to waste and become a ghost town.

Build an arena at Military Circle with shops and restaurants and a light rail stop.

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I’m in DC for the weekend, and as always I wish I could bottle up the culture here and bring it back home. :P

Here they have electric scooters all over the place (mainly Lime, Skip, and even Lyft). I got to ride one and it was really fun. I don’t think we need three different companies, but if someone went through the proper channels, I could see it working in Norfolk. 

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For the malls, I would just add that if they are going to become more residential and commercial hubs then they could also become transit hubs as well. Integrating Military Circle and Pembroke into a light rail expansion would be very interesting. 

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It's still a month left, but any predictions (or intel info, I won't tell) for State of the City? I'm anxious for April 19th to come around.

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With River Tower starting construction there will be a period of time where we have at least two tower cranes over Fort Norfolk. If we can get CHKD off the ground we'll have three simultaneously. It's been a long time since we've had that in Norfolk.

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Maybe we can also get gateway tower going as well late this year or early next year so we can have 4 tower cranes in and around downtown.

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1 hour ago, Urbanlooker said:

Maybe we can also get gateway tower going as well late this year or early next year so we can have 4 tower cranes in and around downtown.

I'm going to guess both River tower and Gateway will require 2 cranes each.

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I said a few weeks ago that I'm like a kid on Christmas Eve waiting on the State of the City address, which is a week from tomorrow. Usually, I didn't think much of them, but something in the back of my mind tells me we're going to get a really major announcement. Anyone wanna start playing the predictions game (big or small), while we wait? :P

My (realistic) guesses:
-More on the casino
-Gateway Tower tenant announced
-MacArthur redevelopment

My wishes:
-A new arena
-A new tower downtown (not Gateway), with a major tenant
-Next light rail/BRT line

Longshots (just for laughs):
-Norfolk has been secretly negotiating to bring a pro sports team here
-A merger between cities

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I think a realistic announcement could be another anchor tenant at MacArthur, perhaps the Target that most people seem to want. I don't think there's any new news on the casino or light rail. Perhaps some more about the African Museum will be announced?

My wishes would be more development at Ft. Norfolk. Perhaps a hotel. Typically large hospitals have a hotel across the street..... Sentara,/CHKD/EVMS does not.

My longshot would to completely demo Military Circle and put a 20,000 seat arena there. 

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What I'd like to hear:

  • Gateway Tower is fully or near fully leased, bringing more workers into downtown from the suburbs;
  • Target to take over Nordstrom spot at MacArthur helping to revitalize the mall;
  • Light rail to ODU and Base;
  • Scope and grounds to finally be enlarged/revitalized/modernized. VA Symphony practice space to be constructed and Chrysler Hall to be revitalized;
  • Revitalization of the waterfront area near Harbor Park. Make it a linear type park connecting Harbor Park to the Dominion Tower area. This may lead to future development near Harbor Park;
  • Saint Paul's quadrant seeing interest by the private sector for development opportunities and a time line for beginning removing some of the affordable housing

Interesting ideas:

  • New City Hall/Governmental Complex on site of current Wyndham Garden hotel;
  • Substantial hotel on Sentara Norfolk General campus;
  • The area adjacent to The Hague (waterway) being developed as a nice promenade/park with hardscaping and enhanced landscaping (place-making);
  • Art (sculptural/lighting/interactive) expanding into more of downtown (place-making);
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Apparently tonight's DNCL meeting addresses MacArthur. Anyone attend this?

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I watched the 13News and WAVY live streams of the speech. Signal was kinda spotty but from what I caught:

-Usual economic and infrastructure announcements (low unemployment, housing purchases up, etc.)

-Several apartment developments that we’ve talked about. Off the top of my head, that’s another 500-1,000 units for the city. 

-Starwood and Gateway Tower developments are in the planning stages. The city is committed to finding a replacement for Nordstrom. No new tenant named for Gateway. 

-TCC Arts Center also still in planning.

-Probably the biggest development of the speech, Mayor Alexander realizes the city’s need for a new arena (applause), and said Norfolk is committed to building a new arena.

 -Mayor also thanked the Pamunkey tribe chief for his commitment to a casino in Norfolk. 

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The one and only good thing that I can see in our lack of regionalism is that if somthing fails in one city, we can try it in the city next door. Could have been virginia beach but, If norfolk gets the arina, Hampton roads gets the arina. And if it fails in norfolk for whatever reason,  we can try it somewhere else. 

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5 hours ago, Virginia City said:

Honestly, Norfolk is the best possible place to put an arena.  It is the center of the whole metro area.

Agreed, and if we want to legitimately re-develop the military highway aria, than we need a legitimate anchor. An arina would be a good excuse to make the aria walkable. If we put it downtown, it can either fit near the new casino, or it can anchor the st pauls district. If it were on church street, it would create enough foot traffic to support many businesses. The best thing about putting anything in Norfolk is that it is an almost equal drive from all corners of the region. If it were at the beach, people in newport news, and Suffolk may find it inconvenient. 

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I’m not sure there’s much space downtown...maybe next to Harbor Park, but it would require rerouting roads, and might even overlap the light rail line. I would’ve chosen somewhere in the St. Paul area, but it looks like that’s all planned. 

Maybe if/when they start tearing down Young Terrace?

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If you can't tell, this new arena is a big deal to me. I used Smoothie King Center in New Orleans as the precedent for this mockup (outlined in black). Smoothie King seats 17,500, but it's also 20 years old, so it may not be the best example, given what newer arenas offer.

However, it's not that much smaller than other modern arenas. While it barely fits next to Harbor Park - I think it would interfere with the Amtrak platform - it does fit in the St. Paul District. I dunno how a parking garage works here, and it might not mesh well with all the proposed housing. That said, I think where I placed it was where the city wants more towers anyway, so it might fit after all. Plus even in St. Paul, it's within walking distance of a two light rail lines, although getting from City Hall Ave. or Harbor Park to Church St. is not the most pedestrian friendly route. In my "plan", that changes.

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St. Paul’s Quadrant is not going to be the location of arena. Norfolk recently received a $40M grant from HUD and there are stipulations which call for many great additions for that area, but an arena is not in the cards. The city is taking care not to have St. Paul’s be another example of gentrification, but something which will benefit both current residents, and the whole of the city.  These include new green spaces, flood water mitigation, new educational, and health services options, and job creation.

Like many others, I think the Military Hwy. corridor is most likely to be the site of any new arena proposal. It seems logical to me because of its location, relative easy connection to the light rail line, and the fact that that area is less prone to flooding problems in the future. 

I definitely agree that this area needs a large modern arena in order to stay competitive in the sports and entertainment marketplace. I hope Norfolk can get it done.

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I wholeheartedly believe a new arena must be in downtown (or very close). If not, it may kill the momentum downtown has built. A new arena would truly be a game changer for Norfolk (and the region). If downtown, it would be a greater catalyst for PRIVATE SECTOR development than MacArthur has been and it would help stabilize existing residential and commercial enterprises that have taken the risk of operating in downtown Norfolk.

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27 minutes ago, carolinaboy said:

I wholeheartedly believe a new arena must be in downtown (or very close).

Do you consider Military Circle close? I think everyone knows, even in city council, that the mall location is the best location for a new arena. It would be huge for that area and this gives the city a great chance to expand light rail north, even if initially it 'ends' at the arena but is open to build north after the arena is open. An arena in Military Circle will not affect building progress in downtown.

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