Soccer in Nashville

[Flatrock]

Posting live from The Fairgrounds MLS city council meeting.

[e-dub]

keep us updated, please, @Flatrock!

[Flatrock]

Sorry for the crummy reporting! Had to leave a little after 7...and there were still a line of people waiting to speak. At the beginning, VM Briley asked for a show of hands, in favor, opposed or undecided. It was probably 80% in favor,  10 opposed, 10 undecided. Most of the opposed didn't want to lose the flea market, race track, state fair, etc.   It wasn't a time for concerns to be addressed, only heard.

Vast majority of public speakers spoke passionately and clearly as to why they supported MLS at the Fairgrounds. Some good questions were voiced - most regarding infrastructure: parking, roads, traffic, noise, etc.  Some of the naysayers weren't quite as clear in vocalizing their opposition. That's about the nicest way I can put it.

If you support MLS at The Fairgrounds, it was likely a pretty solid victory for this stage. End of report. 

[nashvylle]

Thank you for the update. 

[markhollin]

Coverage of the 700 person turnout:

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2017/10/24/nashville-mls-stadium-supporters-pack-hearing-fairgrounds-proposal/790117001/

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2017/10/25/a-soccer-loving-public-weighs-in-on-nashvilles-mls.html
 

[smeagolsfree]

The older generation of Nashville are fighting change and that is normal as you get older, but a wise man carefully has to turn the leadership over to the younger folks and allow for change. The Fairgrounds is a dinosaur that's time has come to an end. I would rather see horse racing back at the Fairgrounds which was there before the auto racing. I am sure people tried to fight that too.

[titanhog]

16 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

I would rather see horse racing back at the Fairgrounds which was there before the auto racing.

Nashville Downs.  I like it. 

[bhibbs]

1 hour ago, smeagolsfree said:

The older generation of Nashville are fighting change and that is normal as you get older, but a wise man carefully has to turn the leadership over to the younger folks and allow for change. The Fairgrounds is a dinosaur that's time has come to an end. I would rather see horse racing back at the Fairgrounds which was there before the auto racing. I am sure people tried to fight that too.

try explaining this to my father who has been going to that track since he was a boy, and still goes today.
he has been pissed about this proposal since the start.

[nashvylle]

16 minutes ago, bhibbs said:

try explaining this to my father who has been going to that track since he was a boy, and still goes today.
he has been pissed about this proposal since the start.

Since the proposal is to keep all the existing facilities AND make millions of investments into the Fairgrounds AND have the majority of increased tax revenue go back into The Fairgrounds, do you know why he is pissed?

Not a rhetorical question, I honestly don't understand. I could if the proposal was to tear down the racetrack and put the soccer stadium there. 

[bhibbs]

Just now, nashvylle said:

Since the proposal is to keep all the existing facilities AND make millions of investments into the Fairgrounds AND have the majority of increased tax revenue go back into The Fairgrounds, do you know why he is pissed?

Not a rhetorical question, I honestly don't understand. I could if the proposal was to tear down the racetrack and put the soccer stadium there. 

like Smeags said...it's change.
He also is upset that the fair board would not give the current ownership of the track a longer contract (something that has nothing to do with the proposal)

he just thinks he will be paying for something he doesnt want.

[bigeasy]

Will the track be taken down if soccer does move there? If so I am against it, but only for selfish reasons. We have weekly cycling races there during the summer, and then during the winter it is opened up on Tuesdays for us to ride.

[dmillsphoto]

22 minutes ago, bigeasy said:

Will the track be taken down if soccer does move there? If so I am against it, but only for selfish reasons. We have weekly cycling races there during the summer, and then during the winter it is opened up on Tuesdays for us to ride.

No. The track stays.

[smeagolsfree]

Nothing to explain to the older generation. They either get it or they don't. Some of us embrace change and others resist. Change is the only constant in life to use an old cliché.

 

[nashvylle]

Praying that Nashville can get one of the first two bids in December, and Detroit later on. 

I do not know if the IRS has given a verdict of redirecting bonds from the Gratiot jail site to a new site. 

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/2017/10/25/mls-expansion-detroit-arn-tellum/799286001/

 

 

[fieldmarshaldj]

6 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

Nothing to explain to the older generation. They either get it or they don't. Some of us embrace change and others resist. Change is the only constant in life to use an old cliché.

"Change." That is really one of the most meaningless words around, frequently used as a political bat. It's used by some as a virtue signal to others, as if it instantly means something better or preferable. If you don't define what you're explicitly attempting to "change", what you're agitating for may be something horrendous and destructive. More often than not, "change" means taking something good and what works and ruining it.

[Pdt2f]

26 minutes ago, fieldmarshaldj said:

"Change." That is really one of the most meaningless words around, frequently used as a political bat. It's used by some as a virtue signal to others, as if it instantly means something better or preferable. If you don't define what you're explicitly attempting to "change", what you're agitating for may be something horrendous and destructive. More often than not, "change" means taking something good and what works and ruining it.

Many bad things have been changed into good things, but also many good things have been changed into bad things. "Change" and "progress" are often very destructive to healthy and happy societies. Sometimes necessary, but sometimes not. NOT a virtue in their own right. 

As far as this project, I think the plans for it are good. While soccer is like watching grass grow to me, this plans envisions much more productive use of that land while keeping much of what makes that area fun to many Nashvillians who have enjoyed it for years. 

[BnaBreaker]

1 hour ago, fieldmarshaldj said:

"Change." That is really one of the most meaningless words around, frequently used as a political bat. It's used by some as a virtue signal to others, as if it instantly means something better or preferable. If you don't define what you're explicitly attempting to "change", what you're agitating for may be something horrendous and destructive. More often than not, "change" means taking something good and what works and ruining it.

Fair points for sure, but while I certainly agree that all "change" isn't necessarily for the better, I can't agree with your last sentence because, I don't know about you, but I for damn sure am glad the world didn't stop changing in, say, the 17th century.  I mean, I'll let you speak for yourself, but give me modern medicine and the Boeing 747 over blood letting and the horse n buggy any day of the week and twice on Sunday. 

 

Edited October 26, 2017 by BnaBreaker

[bigeasy]

I think change is an amazing thing. From my perspective just with working for multiple Fortune 500 companies, change is what drives innovation, efficiency, and so many other things. Sure it is not always a good thing, but I think steady state is much more destructive than "change".  That being said, they should change soccer.  Such a boring sport to watch     

[SoundScan]

12 hours ago, fieldmarshaldj said:

...More often than not, "change" means taking something good and what works and ruining it.

Citation needed.

[Titans10]

1 hour ago, bigeasy said:

I think change is an amazing thing. From my perspective just with working for multiple Fortune 500 companies, change is what drives innovation, efficiency, and so many other things. Sure it is not always a good thing, but I think steady state is much more destructive than "change".  That being said, they should change soccer.  Such a boring sport to watch     

I used to think the same, just 4 years ago I thought soccer was dumb, go to a big match with fans that are really into it, come down to Chattanooga next summer and watch a CFC match with us Chattahooligans, or drive to Atlanta and watch Atlanta United play, it will change your perception of soccer I promise, 20 years ago many said the same about hockey in the south and look where we are now.  Or better yet, when Nashville SC starts next spring, be there, you will be a fan. 

[tragenvol]

18 hours ago, nashvylle said:

Praying that Nashville can get one of the first two bids in December, and Detroit later on. 

Talking heads, Tony Meola and Brian Dunseth  on Sirius XM FC's afternoon national show Counterattack, yesterday pretty much said Nashville is a given for one of the four expansion slots.  I will be surprised if not, but first things first...let's hope the City Council passes this measure.

Interestingly enough the other three cities given as expansion winners would be Detroit, Cincinnati (especially given a move to Austin by Columbus) and Tampa Bay.  Where's Sacramento?  

A Columbus Crew move to Austin kills any chance for San Antonio; also interesting....CEO of Columbus Crew ownership group sits on, if not chairs, the MLS expansion committee.

[titanhog]

^^Pretty sure Sacramento is a given...probably the ONLY given at the moment.  Gotta believe Nashville is in the "four"...however, we need to be in this first round of two to insure we get in.  If we have to wait for the second round of "two"...a lot could happen with some of the other bids.

[Pdt2f]

1 hour ago, SoundScan said:

Citation needed.

A needed citation for a general impression about the world gathered through experience? If someone remarks that it’s hot outside do you require them to produce climate graphs proving it? 

[ruraljuror]

32 minutes ago, Pdt2f said:

A needed citation for a general impression about the world gathered through experience? If someone remarks that it’s hot outside do you require them to produce climate graphs proving it? 

 

He didn't say it was hot outside.  He said more often than not it's hot outside, which is a pretty meaningless statement unless you define what it means to be hot outside.  If you define 'hot' as 62 degrees or warmer, then this is an entirely sensible statement.  However if you define 'hot' as 75 degrees or warmer, then suddenly the statement would be incredibly inaccurate and anyone making such a claim ought to provide evidence to back it up.  

The issue isn't so much citation as making blanket statements that don't actually tell you anything useful without having defined things like what counts as good change, what's bad change, and what's this supposed time period when things were good and working well before change ruined it.

Citations and evidence would come into play only once everyone is on the same page about the parameters of the debate.  That's why everyone was talking past each other over the last few days about the Lifeway building.  It's the difference between saying that some people are happy to see that cross building come down (which is obviously true--of course some people feel that way) and saying that there is some widespread undercurrent of happiness at that cross building coming down (which might require a little evidence to be credible unless one is predisposed to believe it already).

 

[SoundScan]

2 hours ago, Pdt2f said:

A needed citation for a general impression about the world gathered through experience? If someone remarks that it’s hot outside do you require them to produce climate graphs proving it? 

If "change" was bad "more often than not," then we could safely extrapolate that humanity is worse off today than it has ever has been. Would you agree with that sentiment?