Soccer in Nashville

[nashvylle]

17 minutes ago, Titans10 said:

Same with the flea market. You have 30,000 new people coming to the area with disposable income.  It’s a huge win for the community but these people are too dumb to realize it. 

There are issues that are of concern, like parking, but I do think Ride sharing and public transit and.... BIRD SCOOTERS! Will help. 

[PaulChinetti]

Does anyone have a handy breakdown of all the payments and such that Nashville Soccer Holdings and Metro will be responsible for?

The debt service is $13million a year. NSH is responsible for $9 million a year for the first 5 years. Then $10 million a year for the next 5 years. Then $11 million a year for the next 5?

Metro would be responsible for any of the $4 million that is not covered by tickets, merchandise, concessions and parking revenue.

If the team goes under for whatever reason, who's on the hook for the $9 million, am I remembering correctly that NSH is still on the hook for that? And Metro would have to cover the $4 million a year. 

[PruneTracy]

23 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

While I don't agree with their obstruction at all, I do understand the mentality of this group. They've run business (some likely their whole income) from FG. They're acting desperate b/c they've had at least a couple of CMs fanning flames of uncertainty and distrust in "City Hall". Their feelings come in the form of "don't bother me" and resentment toward those who are causing this disruption and a perception that "a rich man is getting something for free".

In all seriousness, you have to consider that the Fairgrounds has been a target for full redevelopment (i.e., closure) for some time, particularly when Karl Dean was mayor. The same people in this group have likely been involved in the previous Save the Fairgrounds fights. If you've spent a decade trying to keep Metro from selling the property altogether it's not a stretch to think you would view the stadium deal as a Trojan horse.

[PaulChinetti]

@PruneTracy Every time I see "Pie Town 4 Life" in your signature I chuckle a little bit on the inside. haha

[tragenvol]

2 hours ago, PaulChinetti said:

Her biggest problem was the 10 acres, she said, could it be 5? Could it be less than 10, why 10? That got lots of noise from the anti-crowd. She could have just been grandstanding but who knows. 

Yes...she was the one who wanted to know why it could not be deferred...."look at me."

[nashvylle]

3 hours ago, PaulChinetti said:

Does anyone have a handy breakdown of all the payments and such that Nashville Soccer Holdings and Metro will be responsible for?

The debt service is $13million a year. NSH is responsible for $9 million a year for the first 5 years. Then $10 million a year for the next 5 years. Then $11 million a year for the next 5?

Metro would be responsible for any of the $4 million that is not covered by tickets, merchandise, concessions and parking revenue.

If the team goes under for whatever reason, who's on the hook for the $9 million, am I remembering correctly that NSH is still on the hook for that? And Metro would have to cover the $4 million a year. 

Yes. I’ve actually put together a full scheduke on this...  I will reach out on Twitter 

[PaulChinetti]

The replies to this tweet are indicative about how bad Ingram and Nashville Soccer Holdings have been at PR. 

Edited August 23, 2018 by PaulChinetti

[japan]

On 8/21/2018 at 1:07 PM, nashvylle said:

from what I have heard he is much more involved than Barry ever was. 

The problem is that he’s involved behind the scenes. Needs to be involved publicly. 

[PaulChinetti]

They need to get out there more and be doing interviews and things. The news is doing there normal, there has to be two sides to every argument so they are amplifying the smaller anti-crowd, I think.

Controversy sells for them, BREAKING NEWS WE FOUND A SINGLE EMAIL THAT EVERYONE HAS KNOWN ABOUT FOR YEARS, THE STORY AT 10PM!
IS THE SOCCER STADIUM GOING TO SNEAK INTO YOUR HOUSE AT NIGHT AND TOUCH YOUR BUTT, STORY AT 5, HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM HANDSY STADIUMS!!

 

CP Colby Sledge said he is going to be on 102.5 today at 11am.

[markhollin]

That's great the Colby Sledge is going to be on 102.5 The Game at 11 AM.  yesterday, I happened to be running some errands in my car and tuned-in to 104.5 The Zone, around 10:30 AM.  The Midday 180 Crew was pontificating about the MLS stadium and fairgrounds issues.  They clearly did not know what they were talking about as they acted like the city was fully on the hook for the full cost of the stadium, that the 10 acre was just a give-away (not mentioning the $200,000 annual fee and all the taxes that would be generated from the new development, nor seeming to understand that the flea market buildings were going to be rebuilt closer to Nolensville Rd.  Heck, they didn't even seem to understand that the race track was going to remain. They even brought up the car museum concept as a PART of the development group.  Just so much misinformation.  

I called-in, but was stuck on hold for 20 minutes, and then, at 11 AM they changed the subject to UT football, so I wasn't able to get on the air.

They need to get Colby and/or someone from the Ingram group on the Midday 180 (as well as other talk shows) to get their side of the story more clearly defined.

[PaulChinetti]

Yeah I was listening to 102.5 and they were both wrong about the stadium so I tweeted at Colby that he needs to get on the air and straighten them out. Apparently nobody knows anything about this deal, especially people doing sports radio, who totally SHOULD know about this. 

 

The Ingram group must have hired the same PR group as the Transit people...

[cda]

I’m not a huge soccer fan but will probably go to a few games. Like some on here I would prefer MLB to soccer but the two can’t be compared to each other as far as the attendance, money from the city and while I’m not sure I would think a lot less games per-season. My question is if the stadium goes in at the fairgrounds will the racetrack be taken out? If that is the case I would say no, if something is going to be torn down and a stadium built it should be Greer Stadium. 

[nashvylle]

9 minutes ago, cda said:

I’m not a huge soccer fan but will probably go to a few games. Like some on here I would prefer MLB to soccer but the two can’t be compared to each other as far as the attendance, money from the city and while I’m not sure I would think a lot less games per-season. My question is if the stadium goes in at the fairgrounds will the racetrack be taken out? If that is the case I would say no, if something is going to be torn down and a stadium built it should be Greer Stadium. 

Above is where MLS2NASHVILLE needs better PR. 

I follow the situation closely and will say that the racetrack is not being torn down and SMI has even reached out about investing in it. @cda from the very beginning it has been stated and restated that all existing uses will remain, but if the common person on the side does not realize that, that is not your fault. 

The racetrack will get better attendance with MLS because so hundreds of thousands of soccer fans will see the racetrack, many for the first time, and will want to go. 

[e-dub]

2 minutes ago, nashvylle said:

Above is where MLS2NASHVILLE needs better PR. 

Was just about to say the same thing to @cda.

[PaulChinetti]

16 minutes ago, cda said:

I’m not a huge soccer fan but will probably go to a few games. Like some on here I would prefer MLB to soccer but the two can’t be compared to each other as far as the attendance, money from the city and while I’m not sure I would think a lot less games per-season. My question is if the stadium goes in at the fairgrounds will the racetrack be taken out? If that is the case I would say no, if something is going to be torn down and a stadium built it should be Greer Stadium. 

@nashvylle is correct. The racetrack and all of the existing uses aren't going anywhere @cda they will actually see improvements and new buildings. The racetrack will be able to take advantage of all the new parking and anything else including new infrastructure such as better connected roads and sidewalks, as well as new entrances to the grounds.

 

Greer Stadium is a hard no go. It's a historic archeological site. My best guess is the next thing that gets built there will be a historic park. There will never again be any commercial activity of any kind there. 

[cda]

Ok thanks guys. I don’t follow this closely as I now live in Knoxville but still have my titans season tickets and unfortunately a partial package for the Preds. If all of this is true then why are they having such a hard time building it at the fairgrounds? I would think it would be great for everyone both soccer fans and race fans. 

[PaulChinetti]

6 minutes ago, cda said:

Ok thanks guys. I don’t follow this closely as I now live in Knoxville but still have my titans season tickets and unfortunately a partial package for the Preds. If all of this is true then why are they having such a hard time building it at the fairgrounds? I would think it would be great for everyone both soccer fans and race fans. 

That @cda is the million dollar question.

[DDIG]

This dude has just been railing on anyone who supports soccer. Correct me if I'm wrong but with revenue bonds the stadium pretty much pays for itself, right? He makes it out to be Nashvillians choose to not pay teachers and employees to pay for soccer.

[PaulChinetti]

Yes, that's the biggest thing that people bring up, even at the Council meetings. We can't pay our police/teachers/workers why are we spending money on this?!

Well we aren't. The most in a single year that Nashville would ever be on the hook for is $4million dollars, and that's if zero people buy tickets, concessions, merch or parking.

Consider that, zero people would have to do all of those things. I can't imagine MLS/Ingram/Nashville Soccer Holdings would be willing to do this if that were the case. 

[e-dub]

Freeman's position:

 

My position:
  As I've said before, I'm not anti soccer.  I honestly feel that MLS could have a positive effect on the 16th; but do I put that over and above what's best for the City?  I don't know - that's the piece I'm trying to sort.  The City has made a few missteps, the Certified Tax Rate (CTR) being the biggest - IMO.  We should never have been advised to set it so low.  The CTR, remember, is what the City uses to calculate your property taxes; and property tax collection is almost 47% of the City's operating budget.  AND the additional 10 acres is hard to swallow.

Many of you have shared your thoughts, and I appreciate each and everyone of you that have taken the time to call or write.  As I've told you before I'm not currently supporting the MLS proposal; BUT I'm trying to keep an open mind. Let's see what happens these next few days.

[DDIG]

22 minutes ago, e-dub said:

Freeman's position:

 

My position:
  As I've said before, I'm not anti soccer.  I honestly feel that MLS could have a positive effect on the 16th; but do I put that over and above what's best for the City?  I don't know - that's the piece I'm trying to sort.  The City has made a few missteps, the Certified Tax Rate (CTR) being the biggest - IMO.  We should never have been advised to set it so low.  The CTR, remember, is what the City uses to calculate your property taxes; and property tax collection is almost 47% of the City's operating budget.  AND the additional 10 acres is hard to swallow.

Many of you have shared your thoughts, and I appreciate each and everyone of you that have taken the time to call or write.  As I've told you before I'm not currently supporting the MLS proposal; BUT I'm trying to keep an open mind. Let's see what happens these next few days.

This take seems to be all about the CTR which certainly isn't the Soccer Stadium's fault. If you have a problem with the CTR, change the CTR.

[PaulChinetti]

He has a problem with the 10 acres, that's a legitimate concern, what is all the CTR talk? Was this an answer to a question, because yeesh, ramble much?

 

So he has a problem with the CTR, man it would be good if he was a member of a collection of people, let's call them a council, that had control over things like that.

[nashvylle]

21 minutes ago, PaulChinetti said:

He has a problem with the 10 acres, that's a legitimate concern, what is all the CTR talk? Was this an answer to a question, because yeesh, ramble much?

 

So he has a problem with the CTR, man it would be good if he was a member of a collection of people, let's call them a council, that had control over things like that.

If the CTR was readjusted, the COLA would have been given. 

[nashvylle]

Dear Nashville Soccer Fan, Thank You. From the beginning, you have worn your blue and gold and cheered from the stands. Every time we take the field there are 10,000 of you in the stands driving the soccer movement forward. Now, the Metro Council needs to feel this same energy.  As you know, Nashville is close to solidifying a home for professional soccer at the Fairgrounds. Don’t miss your opportunity to contribute and be part of history. Write the Council. Write a brief note to [email protected]. Tell them why you support a home for professional soccer at the Fairgrounds. Or use the following link: Write your Council Member Share your story. Attend the next hearing and voice your opinion on Monday, August 27th at the Metro Council Chamber. Please arrive by 5:00, wearing your blue and gold. Support the Vote. Be there for the final vote on September 4th This is Our Town, Our Club, and this is Our Time.    On behalf of Nashville SC,

Court Jeske CEO

[nashwatcher]

They need to make this more urgent. Let the fans know if they don’t express themselves the opportunity might be lost!