Embassy Suites (30 stories, 500 rooms), 1 Hotel (18 stories, 221 rooms)

[donNdonelson2]

8 minutes ago, titanhog said:

^^The heading says 1 Hotel is supposed to be 18 stories…but is up to 19.  Has the height changed?

LK-Architecture website lists the height as 18 floors.

[markhollin]

27 minutes ago, donNdonelson2 said:

LK-Architecture website lists the height as 18 floors.

Then it appears that the roof it going on the 18th floor now.  

[timmay143]

6 hours ago, markhollin said:

 

Cool reflections of the JWM, especially Mark's 2nd photo.  Gives it a faux curve-effect.

[markhollin]

Looking  north from Division Street Connector:

Looking east from intersection of 12th Ave. South and Demonbreun:

Looking south from 7th Ave. North, 1/2 block north of Commerce St:

Looking NW from Lafayette St. at Ewing Ave:

Looking SW from McGavock St., 1/4 block east of 7th Ave. South:

Looking SW from intersection of McGavock St. and 7th Ave. South:

Looking south from McGavock St., 1/2 block east of 8th Ave. South:

Looking NE from Demonbreun, 1/2 block east of 8th Ave. South:

Looking NW from Demonbreun, 1/2 block east of 7th Ave. South:

[MontanaGuy]

On the first four photos that Markhollin posted it appears as though there's one section that they're working on now which is suddenly much taller than than everything else.  I had thought that we were already at the top of the roof but the roof looks flat on the renders except that it juts up at one end so I can't figure out what this is.  Is that actually going to be the height of the roof?  Thanks!

[OnePointEast]

9 hours ago, MontanaGuy said:

On the first four photos that Markhollin posted it appears as though there's one section that they're working on now which is suddenly much taller than than everything else.  I had thought that we were already at the top of the roof but the roof looks flat on the renders except that it juts up at one end so I can't figure out what this is.  Is that actually going to be the height of the roof?  Thanks!

Based on the large PDF that was released months ago, the 30th floor is at 790’ above sea level(I assume that’s what the height entails) and the very top floor of the tower is at 837’. So maybe another 47’ to go, plus the spire.

[markhollin]

1 Hotel update: Glass up to 16th floor; girders in place for roof of patio above pedestal on south side facing Demonbreun.

Looking SW from intersection of McGavock St. and 7th Ave. South:

Looking SE from McGavock St., 1/2 block west of 8th Ave. South:

Looking NE from Demonbreun St., 1/4 block west of 8th Ave. South:

Looking north from 8th Ave. South, 1/4 block south of Demonbreun:

Looking NW from Demonbreun, 1/2 block east of 8th Ave. South:

[nashvylle]

Great Old + New

 

 

 

[Nashcago]

I have a question on these two towers and I'm confident someone here can help educate me. This is NOT a post to compare projects and say this is better than that, etc. but rather an observation which has me curious. I went back in the pages, and the Embassy & 1 Hotel property saw digging begin on or around January 24, 2019. Today, a little over two years later, they've recently topped out the 18 floor 1 Hotel, and seem to be near or at topping out the 30 floor Embassy.  I've always felt like this development moved at a far slower pace than many others. I currently live in Chicago (but born & raised in Nashville), so I looked to see how developments here compared in terms of timeline. 

There is a 2 tower development here called One Chicago. Digging on that project began on or around March 13, 2019, roughly 2 months after the Embassy property broke ground. Today One Chicago has just topped out the shorter tower at 49 floors (574ft) and has passed about 700ft on the taller tower, on it's way to a final height of 971ft. 

I'm sure there are myriad reasons why comparing timelines on a hotel property versus a residential property are not apples to apples, but can you all help me understand why the Embassy/1 Hotel property has risen 18 and roughly 28 or so floors in two months more time than another development has risen 49 and roughly 60 floors? Just curious how engineering, foundations, etc. may differ to explain the different. I find this stuff fascinating and am always keen to better understand the process. 

 

[fxvol]

1 hour ago, Nashcago said:

I have a question on these two towers and I'm confident someone here can help educate me. This is NOT a post to compare projects and say this is better than that, etc. but rather an observation which has me curious. I went back in the pages, and the Embassy & 1 Hotel property saw digging begin on or around January 24, 2019. Today, a little over two years later, they've recently topped out the 18 floor 1 Hotel, and seem to be near or at topping out the 30 floor Embassy.  I've always felt like this development moved at a far slower pace than many others. I currently live in Chicago (but born & raised in Nashville), so I looked to see how developments here compared in terms of timeline. 

There is a 2 tower development here called One Chicago. Digging on that project began on or around March 13, 2019, roughly 2 months after the Embassy property broke ground. Today One Chicago has just topped out the shorter tower at 49 floors (574ft) and has passed about 700ft on the taller tower, on it's way to a final height of 971ft. 

I'm sure there are myriad reasons why comparing timelines on a hotel property versus a residential property are not apples to apples, but can you all help me understand why the Embassy/1 Hotel property has risen 18 and roughly 28 or so floors in two months more time than another development has risen 49 and roughly 60 floors? Just curious how engineering, foundations, etc. may differ to explain the different. I find this stuff fascinating and am always keen to better understand the process. 

 

Great question. You make a good point. No doubt the One Hotel / Embassy project is slow. I'd like to know why, too.

[smeagolsfree]

1 hour ago, Nashcago said:

I have a question on these two towers and I'm confident someone here can help educate me. This is NOT a post to compare projects and say this is better than that, etc. but rather an observation which has me curious. I went back in the pages, and the Embassy & 1 Hotel property saw digging begin on or around January 24, 2019. Today, a little over two years later, they've recently topped out the 18 floor 1 Hotel, and seem to be near or at topping out the 30 floor Embassy.  I've always felt like this development moved at a far slower pace than many others. I currently live in Chicago (but born & raised in Nashville), so I looked to see how developments here compared in terms of timeline. 

There is a 2 tower development here called One Chicago. Digging on that project began on or around March 13, 2019, roughly 2 months after the Embassy property broke ground. Today One Chicago has just topped out the shorter tower at 49 floors (574ft) and has passed about 700ft on the taller tower, on it's way to a final height of 971ft. 

I'm sure there are myriad reasons why comparing timelines on a hotel property versus a residential property are not apples to apples, but can you all help me understand why the Embassy/1 Hotel property has risen 18 and roughly 28 or so floors in two months more time than another development has risen 49 and roughly 60 floors? Just curious how engineering, foundations, etc. may differ to explain the different. I find this stuff fascinating and am always keen to better understand the process. 

 

Great question!

I am not sure but I would bet that Metro codes is partially to blame as they cant chew gum and scratch their rear at the same time. They are running weeks if not months behind and sometimes work just has to stop because they are so backed up.  Another reason maybe the fact the the Chicago construction companies just get it done more efficiently. Yates Construction is OK but the are not a Turner or AECOM.  The revenues of those companies dwarf Yates by a lot.

[fxvol]

3 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Great question!

I am not sure but I would bet that Metro codes is partially to blame as they cant chew gum and scratch their rear at the same time. They are running weeks if not months behind and sometimes work just has to stop because they are so backed up.  Another reason maybe the fact the the Chicago construction companies just get it done more efficiently. Yates Construction is OK but the are not a Turner or AECOM.  The revenues of those companies dwarf Yates by a lot.

Sounds quite plausible. Thanks Smeagol

[Andy20]

I’ve always thought the same about Nashville towers being built slowly. I think there are three main factors: engineering, economics, and codes. For engineering, the problem is excavation. Nashville’s limestone bedrock is sometimes already exposed or under a few feet of soil. Compare this to other areas such a Memphis where you could dig a mile deep and not reach the bedrock. Limestone is especially hard to blast through and takes a lot longer to dig up than soil.
 

Economically, I wonder if the comparative lack of competition in the city slows down construction. With the amount of already available office space in places like New York and Chicago, compared to Nashville, I would think that there is a much stronger incentive to have the space ready to go as fast as possible. Then for codes, smeagol discussed how slow they are.

[PostRural]

2 hours ago, Nashcago said:

I have a question on these two towers and I'm confident someone here can help educate me. This is NOT a post to compare projects and say this is better than that, etc. but rather an observation which has me curious. I went back in the pages, and the Embassy & 1 Hotel property saw digging begin on or around January 24, 2019. Today, a little over two years later, they've recently topped out the 18 floor 1 Hotel, and seem to be near or at topping out the 30 floor Embassy.  I've always felt like this development moved at a far slower pace than many others. I currently live in Chicago (but born & raised in Nashville), so I looked to see how developments here compared in terms of timeline. 

There is a 2 tower development here called One Chicago. Digging on that project began on or around March 13, 2019, roughly 2 months after the Embassy property broke ground. Today One Chicago has just topped out the shorter tower at 49 floors (574ft) and has passed about 700ft on the taller tower, on it's way to a final height of 971ft. 

I'm sure there are myriad reasons why comparing timelines on a hotel property versus a residential property are not apples to apples, but can you all help me understand why the Embassy/1 Hotel property has risen 18 and roughly 28 or so floors in two months more time than another development has risen 49 and roughly 60 floors? Just curious how engineering, foundations, etc. may differ to explain the different. I find this stuff fascinating and am always keen to better understand the process. 

 

I wonder if the special construction style of the Embassy floors (full concrete boxes for every room) had anything to do with slowing it down too? I have no expertise, it's just my guess/assumption. 

[LA_TN]

Crane was in the way, sorry

 

[MLBrumby]

That's a big chunk of concrete!

[Nashcago]

21 hours ago, PostRural said:

I wonder if the special construction style of the Embassy floors (full concrete boxes for every room) had anything to do with slowing it down too? I have no expertise, it's just my guess/assumption. 

I thought that too... I'd assume constructing hundreds of individual little "boxes" probably takes more time. It just seems odd that they wouldn't have more incentive to move quickly. Just the tower cranes themselves can cost $15,000 per month to keep on site, not to mention all the manhours. I'd think the hotel (at least pre-covid hotels) would want to fling open the doors as quickly as possible and let the tourists with their wallets filter in. I appreciate the various theories people added in. All interesting stuff. 

[PostRural]

1 hour ago, Nashcago said:

I thought that too... I'd assume constructing hundreds of individual little "boxes" probably takes more time. It just seems odd that they wouldn't have more incentive to move quickly. Just the tower cranes themselves can cost $15,000 per month to keep on site, not to mention all the manhours. I'd think the hotel (at least pre-covid hotels) would want to fling open the doors as quickly as possible and let the tourists with their wallets filter in. I appreciate the various theories people added in. All interesting stuff. 

You make very good points and I agree, it is puzzling. Even with all those boxes, the contrast in the two timelines seems more than it should be. Interesting stuff, indeed. 

[nashvylle]

23 hours ago, Nashcago said:

I thought that too... I'd assume constructing hundreds of individual little "boxes" probably takes more time. It just seems odd that they wouldn't have more incentive to move quickly. Just the tower cranes themselves can cost $15,000 per month to keep on site, not to mention all the manhours. I'd think the hotel (at least pre-covid hotels) would want to fling open the doors as quickly as possible and let the tourists with their wallets filter in. I appreciate the various theories people added in. All interesting stuff. 

I think word of mouth on hotels' sound attenuation (or lack thereof) spreads quickly and can have an effect ultimately on room rates / demand. At least to a point that this developer thought it was worth the cost to do the concrete boxes. 

[Skyscrapergeek]

[markhollin]

Embassy Suites update.

Looking south from 7th Ave. South, 1/2 block north of McGavock St:

Looking NW from Demonbreun, 1/4 block east of 7th Ave. South:

Looking west from 6th Ave. south, 1/2 block north of Demonbreun:

[MLBrumby]

Aahhh!  Starting to look like the renderings!

That whole block with the various heights of the Embassy, the One and the Cambria altogether look like a mini-city. 

[e-dub]

I drove by this project with friends the other day. Their jaws hit the floor when I told them it's going to be an Embassy Suites, lol.

[titanhog]

4 hours ago, e-dub said:

I drove by this project with friends the other day. Their jaws hit the floor when I told them it's going to be an Embassy Suites, lol.

They should rename it "Embassy?  SWEET!"

Edited February 16, 2021 by titanhog

[markhollin]

1 Hotel update:  girders for rooftop trim underway. 

Looking SE from 8th AVe. South, 1/2 block north of Demonbreun:

Looking east from surface lot between McGavock St. and Demonbreun, 1/2 block west of 8th Ave. South:

Looking NE from Demonbreun, 1/4 block west of 8th Ave. South:

Looking north from 8th Ave. South, 1/4 block south of Demonbreun: