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This island actually is not a remnant of those three islands.  All three islands have been connected to land.  This particular island has slowly emerged well after the three islands were eliminated.

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1 hour ago, tSlater said:

This island actually is not a remnant of those three islands.  All three islands have been connected to land.  This particular island has slowly emerged well after the three islands were eliminated.

I was going to say something.

Here's 1853 vs now.

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7 hours ago, tSlater said:

This island actually is not a remnant of those three islands.  All three islands have been connected to land.  This particular island has slowly emerged well after the three islands were eliminated.

:rofl:  OK, stand corrected, disregard what I wrote then.

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That raises a good question, are there any navigation maps of the Grand River, showing deep/shallow parts? I assume the deepest parts are on the "outside" of the turns? Are there a ton of dead heads? 

Just curious. Probably should go in the river thread. 

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Yes there are. But because it's a river that carries slit and other debris (trees, etc) the maps are not always accurate and quickly become out of date. 

 

My father has one of the Grand Rivers mouth near Spring Lake / Grand Haven and it's about as useful as wearing a blindfold.

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10 hours ago, GRDadof3 said:

That raises a good question, are there any navigation maps of the Grand River, showing deep/shallow parts? I assume the deepest parts are on the "outside" of the turns? Are there a ton of dead heads? 

Just curious. Probably should go in the river thread. 

The river is declared navigable by the Corps of Engineers to the Fulton Street Bridge. The COE maintains a 23 foot deep channel to the US 31 bridge and a dredged channel from 6 feet to 3 1/2 feet from there to the Bass River. The Coast Guard installs in the spring and removes in the fall channel markers (those green and red buoys) to the gravel pits at the Bass River. It has been many, many years since any commercial traffic has moved from the pits. I've attached the NOAA mariner chart for the river. The river from the Bass River to Grand Rapids is pretty shallow. The river upstream of the Northland Drive bridge (beyond the influence of the 6th St dam) is similarly shallow. The river as a whole is wide and shallow.

http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/14931.shtml

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If I'm not mistaken, RFQs are due by April 1. Any idea on what the City's turn around time will be on making a decision? Also, just for fun, I'm going to guess the city gets 3 proposals. 

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On 3/28/2017 at 9:22 PM, Pattmost20 said:

If I'm not mistaken, RFQs are due by April 1. Any idea on what the City's turn around time will be on making a decision? Also, just for fun, I'm going to guess the city gets 3 proposals. 

 

On 4/1/2017 at 6:25 PM, tSlater said:

I concur on the guess of three.

The correct answer is five:

five developers respond

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42 minutes ago, walker said:

 

The correct answer is five:

five developers respond

Not too far off. I would be curious to see what the plans involve. I have a general idea of what Rockford's entails, but with some outside investors looking at the project, could be interesting ideas.

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Looking at the two out of state companies and Zimmer appears to be general apartment complexes and big box retail. Flasher And Collins out of Indy has a nice looking resume. I'm. Ruinous to see more.

 

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It appears the the Indy company Flaherty and Collins seems to have the most experience with "urban sites," other than Rockford. 

http://flco.com/development/showcase/

It's great that Detroit-based Redico is throwing their hat in the ring, but a lot of their stuff is suburban Detroit-ish.

The Wilmingon NC company looks to be just another apartment developer (like the one doing the springs of knapp's crossing on the beltline)

 

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It would be nice to have an out of state firm get it, if their proposals are worthy. Just to get some outside investment and perspective in the market. Rockford has done well, but it seems their final product is always value engineered down to something less than what they originally proposed. 

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15 minutes ago, Prankster said:

It would be nice to have an out of state firm get it, if their proposals are worthy. Just to get some outside investment and perspective in the market. Rockford has done well, but it seems their final product is always value engineered down to something less than what they originally proposed. 

Hopefully it is given to the most worthy proposal and not just handed to Rockford because they're GR based and know people. This has the potential to massively alter the Grand Rapids skyline. I want the best pitch to win, regardless of where the company is headquartered. 

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Who did the Knickerbocker, Founders, Rowe? I know I depends on the amount of money put in but it seems like they did them right.  

 

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12 minutes ago, HavingAhoot said:

Who did the Knickerbocker, Founders, Rowe? I know I depends on the amount of money put in but it seems like they did them right.  

 

Rockford was the contractor for the Knickerbocker. CWD did the Rowe. Not sure who did Founders.

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13 minutes ago, GRLaker said:

Rockford was the contractor for the Knickerbocker. CWD did the Rowe. Not sure who did Founders.

Pioneer Construction has been the general contractor for all of Founders' stuff

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It's the perfect spot for a mixed use development that includes the relocation of a major corporate headquarters :D - wishful thinking

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12 hours ago, HavingAhoot said:

Who did the Knickerbocker, Founders, Rowe? I know I depends on the amount of money put in but it seems like they did them right.  

 

The Knickerbocker was about 1/10th the size of this project site. Not saying that Rockford can't do it. 

Has Rockford done anything new construction taller than 12 stories? Or anyone local? That should be the litmus test. :) 

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Does anyone know what this means? I'm certainly not knocking Kris Larsen or Rosalynn, but this is the second or third article talking about this and I wish they'd spell it out in "10 steps" or something. Do the prospective developers even know what they're supposed to be aiming for? 

https://mibiz.com/news/design-build/item/24702-grand-rapids-leaders-consider-new-path-to-redeveloping-public-assets

 

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1 hour ago, GRDadof3 said:

Does anyone know what this means? I'm certainly not knocking Kris Larsen or Rosalynn, but this is the second or third article talking about this and I wish they'd spell it out in "10 steps" or something. Do the prospective developers even know what they're supposed to be aiming for? 

https://mibiz.com/news/design-build/item/24702-grand-rapids-leaders-consider-new-path-to-redeveloping-public-assets

 

Sounds like they want to be much more intentional with the land. However, this was pretty telling: "One commercial real estate source said it could be hard for any developer to create a viable project in the city given the city’s expectations related to inclusion of affordable housing, site challenges and other uncertainty over incentives."  I'm all for having a set plan for the site, but I hope the city doesn't price itself out of a deal with these demands. 

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That cabal of European style socialists is making me nervous.   That would be a great spot for a large corporate headquarters to be lured to.  The city needs to incentivize the crap out of getting a multi billion dollar company there.  The type of traffic that would generate would benefit all sectors they are working to invigorate. I know it's wishful thinking.  I still don't see how the core advances past where it is until another major jobs source is anchored there. 

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45 minutes ago, GRLaker said:

Sounds like they want to be much more intentional with the land. However, this was pretty telling: "One commercial real estate source said it could be hard for any developer to create a viable project in the city given the city’s expectations related to inclusion of affordable housing, site challenges and other uncertainty over incentives."  I'm all for having a set plan for the site, but I hope the city doesn't price itself out of a deal with these demands. 

I don't even think doing a mix of affordable and market-rate housing is a bad idea. The Proos site and the Meijer development are both doing it. 

What I don't get is, is that even what they're talking about? Are they talking about a mix of housing? Setting up a "minority contractor" hiring process? Creating incubator spaces for minority owned businesses? 

A lot of this stems from that consultants report that was paid for recently along the same lines, and they mentioned this land as a prime opportunity. But again, it was pretty vague. 

https://mibiz.com/item/24649-land-use-experts-encourage-gr-to-pilot-equitable-development-policies-at-201-monroe

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41 minutes ago, MJLO said:

That cabal of European style socialists is making me nervous.   That would be a great spot for a large corporate headquarters to be lured to.  The city needs to incentivize the crap out of getting a multi billion dollar company there.  The type of traffic that would generate would benefit all sectors they are working to invigorate. I know it's wishful thinking.  I still don't see how the core advances past where it is until another major jobs source is anchored there. 

Agreed. Seems like anything office related ends up going nowhere due to lack of demand. An outside business needs to be lured to GR. Spectrum Health and St. Mary's can't be the only big dogs carrying the employment load downtown. A new headquarters could really make downtown explode with growth even more than it already has with increased housing and food demand. Maybe someone can pitch a 20+ story tower surrounded by mixed use to tempt someone to set up shop here. 

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I figured it was time this property and project got its own thread.  

GR is following a two stage process for converting this 15 acre city owned space on Monroe south of the S Curve into a mixed use development.  Requirements include relocating municipal services currently on the site, accommodating future river improvement plans (extended river walk, 50' setback from the river, etc.).   The first step was an RFQ.  5 firms made that late March 2017 deadline.  From these firms the city will choose a shortlist and "Respondents will subsequently be invited to submit an acquisition and development proposal to the City, in accordance with a subsequent Request for Proposals (RFP)".  MiBiz.com reported on this early in April that the city would issue RFPs "around late May."

Basic info on the process can be found at the city's website:  http://www.201market.com/

 

RFQ stage firms include:

Rockford Construction Company Inc  (this is the only 'local' firm to submit an RFQ)

Flaherty & Collins (Indianapolis)

REDICO LLC (Southfield)

The Velmeir Companies (Bloomfield Township)

Zimmer Development Co (Wilmington, NC)

 





 

 

 

 

 

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