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Can Parramore become Orlando's version of Harlem

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I wouldn't be surprised if people feel uncomfortable after dark walking to City View. You don't have to go that far out of the CBD to get that experience. Honestly the poorly lit sections of Pine are just as uncomfortable at times. There's been a number of shootings along Pine west of Orange Avenue in the last few years, as well.

I do think that it's getting better on the whole.

Probably comes down to personal tolerances, sensitivity, situational awareness, etc.

 

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On 3/17/2017 at 3:11 PM, jrs2 said:

if that is the case, price-wise, then Parramore is doomed.  and at the rate in which new developments are getting built, which is not fast, then I wouldn't hold my breath.  This isn't NYC or Chicago south of Grant Park.  There isn't a downtown influx of another 20,000 jobs to warrant people moving into Parramore en masse.  I work downtown and there is no way in hell that I would live there with homeless shelters nearby and the OBT and Westmoreland crime ridden corridors nearby.  Living in Parramore is not trendy.

You would literally need to do what they are doing in LA near their CC and LA Live, and literally build out every square block leading to the closest Blue Line station to clean that area up.  This isn;t NYC where you have 3-5 story row house/townhouse plus streetside retail every 50'.  Church Street is 90% commercial- active commercial.  It's really not so bad.

But the County Health Department is around the corner from the Soccer stadium too.  What a disgusting place.  No freaking way I would live near that place.  Noone would.  They should move it to go next to 33rd Street.

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wow.  Amway Center has been there 7 years?  Hmmm.  And Amway still hasn't done anything with the property across the street, and I don't think they're gonna do anything for a long while- even after they tear down OPD.  Stadium...check.  Stadium No.2...check.  Citrus Bowl renovation...check.  Church St streetlights...check.  A bar or two...check.  Done.

Somebody please prove me wrong.  Seriously.

What's disgusting about the Health Department?  It's a well kept building sitting on a complex with the Orange County Medical Clinic that houses a couple hundred jobs and serves the community it's located in, in addition to people throughout the county as a whole.  I'm always confused about people that want more "jobs" and services in downtown/parramore but seem to frown upon the jobs and services that actually exist there...I mean, for all the urban planning this board discusses, this is a place where patrons actually take the free Lymmo to (stop right next to it).  If your disgusting experience had to do with an experience there (with staff or by virtue of having to deal with a public health issue), than I guess I understand it, but in regards to it actually being located where it is and why that makes the area any less desirable I don't really get it. 

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On ‎3‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 0:11 PM, jrs2 said:

Living in Parramore is not trendy.

You would literally need to do what they are doing in LA near their CC and LA Live, and literally build out every square block leading to the closest Blue Line station to clean that area up.  

Aside from a stadium, I'm not sure a South Park (LA) to Parramore comparison is apples to apples.  Parramore is much more reminiscent of nearby McArthur Park, an area of LA that has seen gentrification surround it and also leave it behind.  McArthur Park even has a very convenient metro heavy rail connection to downtown, yet a history of disinvestment by the city in the neighborhood has made developers wary to dig their heels in.  Like Parramore, McArthur Park was not always in the sad state it is in today.  There was a time when McArthur Park was to be LA's version of NYC's Central Park South (you can still see evidence of that when you walk the area -- grand pre-war buildings there just begging for a reno).  As the history of LA pushed westward, so too did the wealthy residents that lived there.

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While there were no doubt some great Southern black neighborhoods in the Jim Crow era with grand old houses that might have been rehabilitated, Parramore was at best working-class (my best guess is that the predominantly agricultural economy of the region was the reason for this - it was hard enough to make a fortune if you were white and probably next to impossible in that time if you weren't.) Further, ongoing discrimination with poor schools and a lack of zoning (putting industrial-type businesses cheek to jowl with what residential there was) made things even worse. There were neighborhoods like Concord Park and north of Lake Lorna Doone as well as Rock Lake (those were predominantly white neighborhoods before the passage of Equal Housing laws in the mid-60's) that still have interesting possibilities. Parramore's claim to fame was as the business center for the African-American community during the days of segregation. Everything else is left to the citizens of today to improve.

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On 3/25/2017 at 0:32 PM, spenser1058 said:

While there were no doubt some great Southern black neighborhoods in the Jim Crow era with grand old houses that might have been rehabilitated, Parramore was at best working-class (my best guess is that the predominantly agricultural economy of the region was the reason for this - it was hard enough to make a fortune if you were white and probably next to impossible in that time if you weren't.) Further, ongoing discrimination with poor schools and a lack of zoning (putting industrial-type businesses cheek to jowl with what residential there was) made things even worse. There were neighborhoods like Concord Park and north of Lake Lorna Doone as well as Rock Lake (those were predominantly white neighborhoods before the passage of Equal Housing laws in the mid-60's) that still have interesting possibilities. Parramore's claim to fame was as the business center for the African-American community during the days of segregation. Everything else is left to the citizens of today to improve.

And most of those are renters. 

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On 3/25/2017 at 0:32 PM, spenser1058 said:

While there were no doubt some great Southern black neighborhoods in the Jim Crow era with grand old houses that might have been rehabilitated, Parramore was at best working-class (my best guess is that the predominantly agricultural economy of the region was the reason for this - it was hard enough to make a fortune if you were white and probably next to impossible in that time if you weren't.) Further, ongoing discrimination with poor schools and a lack of zoning (putting industrial-type businesses cheek to jowl with what residential there was) made things even worse. There were neighborhoods like Concord Park and north of Lake Lorna Doone as well as Rock Lake (those were predominantly white neighborhoods before the passage of Equal Housing laws in the mid-60's) that still have interesting possibilities. Parramore's claim to fame was as the business center for the African-American community during the days of segregation. Everything else is left to the citizens of today to improve.

Bingo. 

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On 3/24/2017 at 8:24 PM, Universe_Explorer said:

What's disgusting about the Health Department?  It's a well kept building sitting on a complex with the Orange County Medical Clinic that houses a couple hundred jobs and serves the community it's located in, in addition to people throughout the county as a whole.  I'm always confused about people that want more "jobs" and services in downtown/parramore but seem to frown upon the jobs and services that actually exist there...I mean, for all the urban planning this board discusses, this is a place where patrons actually take the free Lymmo to (stop right next to it).  If your disgusting experience had to do with an experience there (with staff or by virtue of having to deal with a public health issue), than I guess I understand it, but in regards to it actually being located where it is and why that makes the area any less desirable I don't really get it. 

If you don't "get it," then Iive.  Then, you'll get it.  

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A funky old venue located in an old airplane hangar (please note the spelling) just down the street from OCSC is struggling with the city to meet safety and code requirements. Here's hoping they work it out - it's perfect for the aesthetic of the area.

http://bungalower.com/2018/05/24/1010-west-venue-condemned/

From Bungalower

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On 5/24/2018 at 2:44 PM, spenser1058 said:

A funky old venue located in an old airplane hangar (please note the spelling) just down the street from OCSC is struggling with the city to meet safety and code requirements. Here's hoping they work it out - it's perfect for the aesthetic of the area.

http://bungalower.com/2018/05/24/1010-west-venue-condemned/

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Prange?  interesting...

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