Learning from Other Places

[Madison Parkitect]

Cool video showing the demolition of the Alaskan Way Viaduct in Seattle. This is akin to what we can expect if the elevated part of 277 is ever removed... https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/new-video-watch-the-alaskan-way-viaduct-come-down-in-6-1-2-minutes/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning+Brief+9-24-19_9_24_2019&utm_term=Registered User

[Desert Power]

1 hour ago, Matthew.Brendan said:

Charlotte 2011-2019 built 13 (avg 334') with another 9 under active construction (avg 388')

Atlanta 2011-2019 built 2 (avg 456') Atlanta wiki has no data on active under construction. Curbed shows perhaps 13 u/c?

 

Charlotte 2000-2010 built 13 (avg 412')

Atlanta 2000-2010 built 17 (avg 499')

 

Charlotte 2000-2019 (including u/c) 35 built (378' avg)

Atlanta 2000-2019 (unknown u/c, not counted) 19 built (477' avg)

 

I'll try to determine the under construction count for Atlanta. (yes, it's a very slow day at work)

 

The Atlanta UP subforum is a bit of a ghost town too.

No doubt Atlanta is doing very well, but the large corporate/residential growth occurs pretty spread out.  Charlotte has been concentrated on Uptown with some Ballantyne thrown in.  Atlanta also has a lot of height that will take Charlotte a while to catch.

Take the simple metric, but arbitrary metric of the 1 BAC Tower.  A beautiful, 484' building completed in 2010 and the 8th tallest building in Charlotte.  It would be the 21st tallest building in Atlanta.  Our 21st tallest building is another distinctive building in the Odell Building at 330'.  The 40 tallest buildings in Atlanta on Wikipedia stops at 400'.  We have a ways to go.

[KJHburg]

I follow Atlanta development through the ATL Business Chronicle and Curbed Atlanta.  Very little office space construction has happening until recently and as noted most of these towers in Midtown are in the 25 story range.  However some bigger buildings are coming on line 

Cobb Countys tallest tower is underway 420 feet.

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/9/18/20872289/cobb-county-thyssenkrupp-tower-fortune-500-elevator

Midtown at Tech Square https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/6/19/18691428/groundbreaking-portman-anthem-coda-midtown-atlanta

Midtown Union https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/9/11/20860575/midtown-union-atlanta-development-project-revised-renderings

State Farm buildings in the Perimeter area are around 25 stories

check out this 31 story building that is starting in Midtown https://atlanta.curbed.com/2018/12/21/18151629/selig-tower-midtown-1105-west-peachtree

this is a great building here is its webpage  http://1105westpeachtree.com/

https://www.sgrlaw.com/press-releases/smith-gambrell-russell-kicks-off-leasing-at-1105-west-peachtree-with-102320-square-foot-atlanta-headquarters-relocation-lease/

Atlanta has been very conservative after a soaring office vacancy rates of about 10 years ago.  There is worry about SunTrust consolidating space there as others such as AT&T has done. 

Charlotte has a much larger % of office space being built given our market size than Atlanta does for sure. 

Edited September 27, 2019 by KJHburg

[Matthew.Brendan]

Also Atlanta has 10 buildings over 200m / 656'  and Charlotte has 3 (soon to be 4 with Duke). Even just the feel of driving around midtown and downtown is vastly different.

[urbanlover568]

23 hours ago, KJHburg said:

I follow Atlanta development through the ATL Business Chronicle and Curbed Atlanta.  Very little office space construction has happening until recently and as noted most of these towers in Midtown are in the 25 story range.  However some bigger buildings are coming on line 

Cobb Countys tallest tower is underway 420 feet.

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/9/18/20872289/cobb-county-thyssenkrupp-tower-fortune-500-elevator

Midtown at Tech Square https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/6/19/18691428/groundbreaking-portman-anthem-coda-midtown-atlanta

Midtown Union https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/9/11/20860575/midtown-union-atlanta-development-project-revised-renderings

State Farm buildings in the Perimeter area are around 25 stories

check out this 31 story building that is starting in Midtown https://atlanta.curbed.com/2018/12/21/18151629/selig-tower-midtown-1105-west-peachtree

this is a great building here is its webpage  http://1105westpeachtree.com/

https://www.sgrlaw.com/press-releases/smith-gambrell-russell-kicks-off-leasing-at-1105-west-peachtree-with-102320-square-foot-atlanta-headquarters-relocation-lease/

Atlanta has been very conservative after a soaring office vacancy rates of about 10 years ago.  There is worry about SunTrust consolidating space there as others such as AT&T has done. 

Charlotte has a much larger % of office space being built given our market size than Atlanta does for sure. 

Vacancy is very high in ATL . Charlotte has very little vacancy. That could be the lack of construction in ATL. 

[U_R_]

If y’all want to be up to date on Atlanta projects visit the Atlanta forum and the Atlanta city compilation on skyscraper page. It’s very active. Also, please check out the Atlanta Economic Development Thread because I’m the one who started it and updates it the most. Please update if you feel the need to or if you just ever want to.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=239759&page=3

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=330

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=224553&page=639

also, I don’t think the vacancy rates in ATL are very high anymore. ATL is starting to get some more height, but market conditions and FAR in Midtown make 20 stories more feasible. Also consider you have markets like Midtown, DT, Buckhead, Airport, Alpharetta, Sandy Springs, Cobb, and Gwinnett all competing with each other. Counties and cities compete to steal companies from other cities and counties.

Edited September 28, 2019 by Ric0_0

[rancenc]

It does seem that NC based companies can cause political controversy as it relates to economic incentives.  Cree's recent decision for expansion in Upstate NY is a case in point.

https://www.bizjournals.com/albany/news/2019/09/25/cree-marcy-chip-fab-economic-development.html

[KJHburg]

19 hours ago, rancenc said:

It does seem that NC based companies can cause political controversy as it relates to economic incentives.  Cree's recent decision for expansion in Upstate NY is a case in point.

https://www.bizjournals.com/albany/news/2019/09/25/cree-marcy-chip-fab-economic-development.html

Basically NY state gave them $500 M to build the plant there which NC would not do but they are expanding in NC too. 

[KJHburg]

what do yall think of this new tower rising in downtown Austin?  will be the new tallest at 848 feet with both office on the bottom half residential on the top half.  66 stories.    what do you think @ricky_davis_fan_21

I like it from one side but not the other side which makes it looks like 2 buildings stacked on top of each other. 

http://www.6xguadalupe.com/

 

 

[QCxpat]

1 hour ago, KJHburg said:

what do yall think of this new tower rising in downtown Austin?  will be the new tallest at 848 feet with both office on the bottom half residential on the top half.  66 stories.    what do you think @ricky_davis_fan_21

I like it from one side but not the other side which makes it looks like 2 buildings stacked on top of each other. 

http://www.6xguadalupe.com/

 

 

What I like best about the 6xGudalupe Tower in Austin is the rooftop terrace approx. a quarter of the way up.  Here are a couple of  renderings of the 65 story, 848 ft. tower (under construction).

Note that 6xGuadalupe at 848 ft. / 258 meters tall would be 23 feet shorter than Charlotte's BOA Corporate Center which is 60 stories and 871 ft. / 265.5 meters tall.

(1) View of rooftop garden approx. a quarter of the way up 6xGuadalupe Tower

 

 

(2) Rendering of 6 x Guadalupe Tower - site demo. is currently underway.

The 6xGuadalupe Tower will be 158 ft.  / 48.15 meters taller than Austin's current tallest structure, The  Independent which is a 690 ft. / 210 meters and 58 story residential tower. 

Currently, the Independent is the tallest all-residential tower west of the Mississippi River. 

 

(3) Another rendering of the 6xGuadalupe Tower in Austin with garden terrace

 

 

Edited October 2, 2019 by QCxpat

[KJHburg]

a lot of Texas towers have sky gardens I know the last 2 office towers in downtown Houston and the current one being built have them.  I like that idea or park area on top of the parking garage would do as well. 

[videtur quam contuor]

https://www.sightline.org/2019/10/02/in-mid-density-zones-portland-has-a-choice-garages-or-low-prices/

Interesting article about Portland and how of street parking, by itself,  makes affordable housing impossible. Lots of financial charts and such. And a quote from Portland mayor.

[Dale]

Heading back from San Francisco area. BART is certainly showing its age. Choice between driving terrible roads and riding a rickety train. Aside from our humidity, we’ve got it good here.

[urbanlover568]

Tell you what, it's crazy the construction in Bellevue right now. Light rail and insane growth has set off a building boom!   

[Windsurfer]

My family is heading to Denver soon for a vacation . While looking for an Airbnb near a light rail stop, I stumbled on this quick interview about Denver's light rail.  A comment caught my eye about having made the mistake of building the rail along highways and major thoroughfares. The reason being it was a " mistake" was because these areas are so car oriented.  This is a thought I've had a long time:  Why do we not build the rail into dense areas instead of up Wilkerson Blvd, or Highway 49, or follow Independence?  It's wonderful that the growth follows the line after the fact, but places like Dilworth (farther away from the line itself) are under served.

https://denver.streetsblog.org/2019/01/29/denvers-buses-and-trains-arent-useful-to-most-people-a-new-book-shows-why/

[Madison Parkitect]

54 minutes ago, Windsurfer said:

My family is heading to Denver soon for a vacation . While looking for an Airbnb near a light rail stop, I stumbled on this quick interview about Denver's light rail.  A comment caught my eye about having made the mistake of building the rail along highways and major thoroughfares. The reason being it was a " mistake" was because these areas are so car oriented.  This is a thought I've had a long time:  Why do we not build the rail into dense areas instead of up Wilkerson Blvd, or Highway 49, or follow Independence?  It's wonderful that the growth follows the line after the fact, but places like Dilworth (farther away from the line itself) are under served.

https://denver.streetsblog.org/2019/01/29/denvers-buses-and-trains-arent-useful-to-most-people-a-new-book-shows-why/

I can't imagine the cost of buying up light rail right-of-way in a place like Dilworth.

[southslider]

N Tryon is transforming slowly. Wilkinson is better than 85. Independence is fairly urban intown and then transitions to Monroe Rd.

[Windsurfer]

57 minutes ago, Madison Parkitect said:

I can't imagine the cost of buying up light rail right-of-way in a place like Dilworth.

(My opinion on that is mono rail since it has minimal footprint, but that idea gets the thumbs down on this forum)

From the article, "If you are building a transit line and nobody is against it, it’s probably a bad project. Because it means you’re not going where it actually affects anybody. You’re going where nobody wants to go."

I interpret the quote as meaning more/less cost.  True, buying out some houses in Dilworth and Myers Park would be costly, but think of the potential ridership along the corridor of Park Rd. Shopping Center and South Park. Meanwhile, we build it in the hinterlands hoping to spurn on new development.  New development has worked so far.  Let's all cross our fingers on future development for Wilkerson.... keeping in mind, we haven't fully built up North Tryon yet.

 

[southslider]

Hard to judge N Tryon north of Old Concord Rd when South Blvd hasn't built much south of Scaleybark. 

[KJHburg]

this is interesting in a preventive measure to prevent wildfires in northern California including large parts of the tech heavy Bay area they shutting off the power for 800,000 customers that is not people but customers.

https://www.sfgate.com/california-wildfires/article/PG-E-power-outage-800-000-customers-length-number-14501984.php

would not want to be out there in any of the affected areas for sure.  

[urbanlover568]

12 hours ago, KJHburg said:

this is interesting in a preventive measure to prevent wildfires in northern California including large parts of the tech heavy Bay area they shutting off the power for 800,000 customers that is not people but customers.

https://www.sfgate.com/california-wildfires/article/PG-E-power-outage-800-000-customers-length-number-14501984.php

would not want to be out there in any of the affected areas for sure.  

That's why you don't sue a major utility into bankruptcy. Just my two cents.

[Windsurfer]

2 minutes ago, mpretori said:

That's why you don't sue a major utility into bankruptcy. Just my two cents.

Which is one reason I've bought some of their stock now. It's really cheap as compared to what it was before the Paradise fire.  

14 hours ago, southslider said:

Hard to judge N Tryon north of Old Concord Rd when South Blvd hasn't built much south of Scaleybark. 

Which is kind of my point taken from the book interview.  

[urbanlover568]

it looks like another retailer is about to bite the dust...

With this in mind, what will the future of developments be? With store retail dying and doordash and uber eats starting to saturate the market, what will become of development. Will there only be office, housing and warehouses?  Pretty fascinating and scary to see the direction everything is going. 

[urbanlover568]

Fantastic Development!

 

https://la.curbed.com/2019/10/18/20908859/olympic-tower-skyscraper-nardi

 

[DMann]

for a minute I thought that was the Ascent next to it!!