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On a more topical matter, I interpreted the tables to mean that Charlotte (just the city) was tenth among all of the 100 largest cities in growth. And, the metro area was sixth in terms of core city growth as well as sixth among suburban growth. The ranking of our overall metro growth wasn't shown. There is a good chance that we are tenth or higher considering that we rated very highly in both suburban and urban growth. If this this interpretation seems right then it shouldn't be hard to tabulate the overall metro rankings based off of what's given.

EDIT: removed my original incorrect statement -- oops.

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You are correct about the city / suburban data not explicitly showing total growth rates. The first link in my original post tonight goes to a different table showing overall MSA growth rates.

Sorry I should have been more explicit. I think the first link actually just shows overall city growth not msa growth. There are two reasons for this: 1) the populations shown are city populations 2) places like durham and fort worth are included alongside raleigh and dallas.

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Sorry I should have been more explicit. I think the first link actually just shows overall city growth not msa growth. There are two reasons for this: 1) the populations shown are city populations 2) places like durham and fort worth are included alongside raleigh and dallas.

You are totally right, I am glad we have folks here with sharp eyes.

I have edited the MSA references out of my original post. Sorry about the carelessness.

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So taking the growth rate - added to the active census population statistics... what do you get?

Anyone want to start a pool on what the actual figure will be?

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There used to be a wiki page on UP with Charlotte city/county/metro/etc population statistics. Did the wiki go away? Or am I just not finding it?

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There used to be a wiki page on UP with Charlotte city/county/metro/etc population statistics. Did the wiki go away? Or am I just not finding it?

You are correct, there used to be a wiki but it has been superseded by the Project Database: http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db

The Project Database integrates 100% with the rest of the site which makes maintenance as well as usability much easier for me and users alike.

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If I've done this correctly, here are the 2009 numbers:

709,441 City of Charlotte

913,619 County of Mecklenburg

1,745,524 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC MSA

2,389,763 Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC CSA

2,389,763 Primary Census Statistical Area

2,655,303 Charlotte Region

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I'm not certain where they are getting their figures but the Charlotte Chamber is claiming 756,912 for 2010

http://www.charlotte...onomic-profile/

In reality, we will never be close to an accurate reading. Having just finished doing local census enumerations, it was amazing how many homes have two residents during the day and after 8:00 p.m. six more show up that are only "visitors". I would say that a more accurate 'unofficial' population would add 15 percent that are here illegally. I would estimate that there are close to 825K in the city of Charlotte counting actual bodies. It was impossible to convince illegals that their count wasn't for the purpose of deportation. They wouldn't even listen to apartment managers that were of their ethnicity. I tried effortlessly to convince everyone that the more people, the more money the county/city would get. Oh well, I tried.

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I'm not certain where they are getting their figures but the Charlotte Chamber is claiming 756,912 for 2010

http://www.charlottechamber.com/eco-dev/demographics-economic-profile/

The Chamber's 2020 projections are way overzealous, even if we don't factor in the effects of a continued longterm economic slump. They project Charlotte proper will add nearly 290,000 people by 2020. From 2000-2009, Charlotte added 170,000 people largely through robust economic times and a more transitory national population. I doubt it will add more than that by the 2020 census.

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I agree that the chamber's projections are overzealous though I don't think they are as off as you may be suggesting.

I do think the city will add more than 170,000 people over the next ten years simply due to the overall U.S. population rate of growth and migratory patterns that continue to be in favor of the city. I'm not certain we will hit the 1m mark in 2020 though I think it will be fairly close to it by then.

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709,441 City of Charlotte

913,619 County of Mecklenburg

1,745,524 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC MSA

2,389,763 Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC CSA

2,389,763 Primary Census Statistical Area

2,655,303 Charlotte Region

I'm not disputing your numbers, they seem correct, but there is just one more bit of trickery the wsj threw at its readers. It lists "Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV" city population at 950,000. DC's population is somewhere around 600,000 I believe, meaning for some metro areas the paper was counting multiple cities from not just different counties but also different states as part of the "city population." So, I would just be wary of their statistics, whoever put this chart together for the wsj didn't make a concerted effort for clarity or consistency.

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Yeah, absolutely. Many entities use population figures, but don't explicitly say if they're using city or MSA or CSA or something else, and they'll just say it's for a City.

By the way, here are my sources. Of course the Wikipedia ones have their own (trustworthy) sources, I was just to lazy to link to the original source. Note that "Charlotte Region" is unofficial.

http://www.census.go...-EST2009-01.xls

http://www.census.go...009-ALLDATA.csv

http://en.wikipedia...._note-OMB-07-01

http://en.wikipedia....atistical_Areas

http://en.wikipedia....atistical_areas

http://www.charlotte...communities.asp

D.C. has 600K as a city, with 5.5 million as an MSA and 8.4 million as a CSA, so who knows where they got 950K.

Edited by grodney

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If I've done this correctly, here are the 2009 numbers:

709,441 City of Charlotte

913,619 County of Mecklenburg

1,745,524 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC MSA

2,389,763 Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC CSA

2,389,763 Primary Census Statistical Area

2,655,303 Charlotte Region

I forgot one.

758,927 Urban Area (2000 census)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_urban_areas_of_the_United_States

Maps:

http://ftp2.census.gov/geo/maps/urbanarea/uaoutline/UA2000/ua15670/

Don't know when this gets updated for the 2010 census, but it will be cool.

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^Based on the above numbers, I think it's a safe bet that City of Charlotte would rank high as a central city for portion (71%) of an urbanized area over 500,000.

In other words, Charlotte is both the urban core and contiguous suburbs (save that 29% that is Meck Towns and abutting Union County). Cities in surrounding counties (Concord-Kannapolis, Gastonia, Rock Hill) really are satellites sprawling on their own. Of course, once their sprawl meets Charlotte's to form a contiguous minimum density, such as what's already happened along the Mecklenburg-Union line, then Charlotte will drop in its share of the urban area.

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^Based on the above numbers, I think it's a safe bet that City of Charlotte would rank high as a central city for portion (71%) of an urbanized area over 500,000.

It does indeed rank high.

I found a few higher:

San Antonio - 86% (1.14 million 2000 census, 1.33 million urban area)

El Paso - 84%

Jacksonville - 83%

Fresno - 77%

Albuquerque - 75%

Austin - 73%

Nashville is some weird definition, so Nashville-Davidson "city" is 73% of the Nashville-Davidson Urban Area.

Lowest one I found is Miami, having 362K in the city of Miami with 4.9 million in the urban area, for 7.3%.

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Census Bureau released the ACSs which are worth a look through. For those who want a quick view, the NYT has a really great series of interactive maps from income to race. Just enter 28202 and zoom out for all of Charlotte.

Census tract 2903 (south park and toward the northeast):

Median household income = $70,000

Median home value = $732,000

What?! How is that even possible? A ton of apartments in that area?

17% of households earning under 30K

24% of households earning over 200K

Still doesn't add up to me.

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Census tract 2903 (south park and toward the northeast):

Median household income = $70,000

Median home value = $732,000

What?! How is that even possible? A ton of apartments in that area?

17% of households earning under 30K

24% of households earning over 200K

Still doesn't add up to me.

Looks like your mixing up areas.

Census tract 28 (heart of Myers Park) has the median home value of 731K+ not census tract 2903

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On the interactive map, it says tract 28 value is 761K, tract 2903 is 732K. I don't know how to find it in the data tables/files -- I'm just going by the interactive map at NYT. Maybe the map is wrong?

2903.jpg

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