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4 hours ago, kayman said:

Gov. Cooper wants canceled Atlanta music festival to come to North Carolina

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/gov-cooper-wants-atlanta-music-festival-come-north-carolina-after-cancellation/EIR5EVK6EBAZRJMCUUIDVYGOSM

Because of Georgia's political landscape allowing jacked up gun laws on public lands regardless of the intent, Live Nation canceled Music Midtown festival in Atlanta. Governor Roy Cooper wants to bring the festival here. 

The best spot to place such music festival would be here in Charlotte, of course.  Furthermore, it would be NC getting something back from GA after GA went after the state's film industry in the 2010s especially after the stupid GOP's passage of HB2 aka the NC Bathroom Law. 

I would love for it to come to Charlotte, but we don't have any public land large enough until you get way outside of the city.. 

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^ Its not my intent to thread police but…

Is the Music Midtown discussion a political one? The Georgia cancellation happened because of settled law and preexisting contracts — so there was no political dimension to the decision (only legal ones). Similarly, recruiting MM to NC is solely a matter of economic development, not politics.

Just because the law was passed by a bunch of right wingers should not mean we need to be careful about criticizing it -- its the law, it no longer 'belongs to' a single party, it affects all of us. We spend a ton of time criticizing zoning, which is mostly passed by dems, without worrying about any hurt feelings. Why should we treat MM any differently?

 

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2 hours ago, JHart said:

Unfortunately open criticism of conservative points of view is frowned upon on this site. You know conservatives and their safe spaces.. 

yea, but that is kinda my point. There should not be any safe spaces when laws get passed that apply to everyone regardless of affiliation.

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"On Saturday morning, one of Indiana’s biggest employers, the pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly, issued a strong objection to the new restrictions. “Given this new law,” it said in a statement, “we will be forced to plan for more employment growth outside our home state.”

From New York Times this morning, 7 August, 2022.

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For those who have or will have college age sons and daughters, especially daughters, would you advise them to consider universities in Indiana?

addendum:  If North Carolina passed such a law would you advise your child to attend a college in this state?

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1 minute ago, tarhoosier said:

For those who have or will have college age sons and daughters, especially daughters, would you advise them to consider universities in Indiana?

Hell no! But my daughter also wants to leave Charlotte, Raleigh (where she will start her second year at NCSU in two-weeks) and NC for someplace colder, more liberal and with better transit. My son, who finishes UNC in December after 3.5 years, wants to go someplace warmer (Charlotte is too cold dad), more rural and couldn't care less about the politics. Go figure?

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1 hour ago, kermit said:

I'll take the other side on any bet that assumes republicans will get sane again.

Their current trajectory will not sustain them in the long run, however politics worldwide have presented a lot of surprises recently!

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35 minutes ago, elrodvt said:

Talk about a dumb reason "it wouldn't be fair cause I didn't have it when young".   I assume he felt the same way about social security and declines those checks? 

Are these people not educated through high school? Have they never taken a philosophy class? Are they simply too lazy to research anything? Dunno.

I had to take both philosophy and current events/politics even in my crappy rural redneck VA school. Instead of applying basic logic and some books, they simply parrot talking heads, much of which is either misleading or flat out lies, and I despair we have no hope of changing them back into thinking humans. Especially as most people do become more rigid in their beliefs as they age.

Just babbling in frustration as I can't see a way out of this mess. Educate me!

I think it's selfishness combined with FYIGM (screw you I've got mine). Plus they don't want anyone they deem "undeserving" to benefit from their taxes. There's also the Donna Summer philosophy, "[They] Works Hard for the Money. . . so you'd better treat [them] right!"

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That man’s mentality is why we have problems today that persist from the old and why it is so difficult to change things and why they take so long to change. One reason why younger people should have positions of power because some older people are too selfish to think outside of their life to improve the lives of those that come next. (Exaggeration Alert: I bet we would have cured aging, hunger, housing, along with basic necessities being met for the entire population if it weren’t for greed and this mentality). Is it really an exaggeration though? We will never know.

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17 hours ago, LKN704 said:

 I would be interested to see some type of peer-reviewed study that maybe shows a correlation between higher taxes and satisfaction with the government.

Don't know of peer review work off the top of my head, but there are regular 'happiness surveys' at the country level. The top performers in the vast majority of these surveys (the happiest countries) are Scandanavian, certainly not places known for low tax rates. If you ask residents of Norway, Finland and Sweden (my datapoints) they universally indicate that it is easier to be happy when you are confident that there is a functioning and effective social safety net for all, my interpretation of that was that there was a general satisfaction with government. Low tax nations don't normally do very well in these surveys.

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Here are the top 10 countries and their score: [for 2022]

  1. Finland- 7.821
  2. Denmark- 7.636
  3. Iceland- 7.557
  4. Switzerland- 7.512
  5. Netherlands- 7.415
  6. Luxembourg- 7.404
  7. Sweden- 7.384
  8. Norway- 7.365
  9. Israel- 7.364
  10. New Zealand- 7.200

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/03/21/finland-us-happiest-country/7114106001/

EDIT: Here is a peer review study that found Americans are generally happier when tax rates are more progressive (low income people were happier, high income people were found to be no less happy with more progressive taxes).

https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Famp0000166

My quick scan of Google Scholar indicates that the literature on this is VERY ambiguous. Measurement decisions result in opposite conclusions when examining tax rates and satisfaction -- in general it appears that economists seem to reach very different conclusions than psychologists.

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11 hours ago, JeanClt said:

That man’s mentality is why we have problems today that persist from the old and why it is so difficult to change things and why they take so long to change. One reason why younger people should have positions of power because some older people are too selfish to think outside of their life to improve the lives of those that come next. (Exaggeration Alert: I bet we would have cured aging, hunger, housing, along with basic necessities being met for the entire population if it weren’t for greed and this mentality). Is it really an exaggeration though? We will never know.

I know anecdote isn't data and I don't want to be ageist here but I do believe the Baby Boomer generation is generally toxic. My parents are technically the very tail end of the Silent Generation ('42 and '43) but they identify as Boomers. Their parents were getting their start in the throes of the Great Depression and post-WWiI built the society (for all its good and ills) we find ourselves in today. Starting in the election of 1980 they all (Silent and Boomers) started to dismantle the society they built over the prior 35 years ('Government is not the solution to the problem: government is the problem').

My parents decry "socialism" (for everyone but them and their cohort we paid in and earned our Social Security and Medicare) and deeply fear that we'll all become lay-abouts on the government dole with no motivation to work as we suckle off of the government teat. They live in Florida and generally think Desantis is doing a good job even if they find his rhetoric toxic ("He may be awful but got the seniors their covid vaccine quickly and partnered with Publix" - my dad was in the grocery business and the hagiographies they paint of Publix and all involved with Publix borders on the cultish.)

As their generations (Silent and Boomer) fade, I hope Gen X, the Millennials and Gen Y and Z fill the void with less toxic politics and politicians intent on helping the people they serve not their corporate masters. I am amazed by the vocal (manufactured) outrage currently cowing school boards across the country from my generation and the one that follows.

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