Duke Energy Plaza Headquarters | 40 Story formerly Charlotte Metro Tower

[mand1ng0sauc3]

3 hours ago, Tyrone Wiggum said:

See even Chicago has surface lots.. We need more surface lots!!!

[gman430]

I don’t know what’s going on anymore. So Charlotte is getting a MLS team?  Needs drone shots also. 

Edited May 11, 2019 by gman430

[CLT_sc]

7 minutes ago, gman430 said:

I don’t know what’s going on anymore. So Charlotte is getting a MLS team?  Needs drone shots also. 

Tepper wants a MLS team.  A questionnaire sent to Panthers’ season ticket holders had questions about soccer.  And, MLS recently decided to expand to 30 teams.

[RiverwoodCLT]

 

I hope he gets a MBL team.  Would be great for Charlotte.

Edited May 11, 2019 by RiverwoodCLT

[SydneyCarton]

14 hours ago, RiverwoodCLT said:

 

I hope he gets a MBL team.  Would be great for Charlotte.

I agree.  I’d like to see a team move here.  The White Sox and Tampa come to mind.

[Guest]

On 5/10/2019 at 8:40 AM, AirNostrumMAD said:

 

I don’t think it’s misleading. Misleading is saying Charlotte is a city of 700,000 people without specifying it has yuge city limits.

Theres nothing misleading about the population density/population of 2 sq. Miles of the uptown. 23,000 people live there. 11,000 ppsm.  I live in DC and I can say, yes, the very bustling dense feeling parts are the 3 floor buildings with retail after retail. Charlotte doesn’t have an equivalent uptown. And we won’t. Because we tore it down. So I get the part it may not feel as dense due to our lack of the smaller scale, older building stock. But that doesn’t change the #’s. Especially when the downtowns are nearly the same sq. Miles. Misleading would be including midtown or SouthEnd, etc.   

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its nearly 900,000.

And what we tore down never resembled anything in DC, there was like 20 square blocks of density, about what exists today. Now that said, if we had added the current 20 blocks of density and preserved and added onto the previous 20, we'd be a whole lot more urban and vibrant place. This is the one nod I give Raleigh over Charlotte.

Edited May 12, 2019 by Guest

[SydneyCarton]

1 hour ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

its nearly 900,000.

And what we tore down never resembled anything in DC, there was like 20 square blocks of density, about what exists today. Now that said, if we had added the current 20 blocks of density and preserved and added onto the previous 20, we'd be a whole lot more urban and vibrant place. This is the one nod I give Raleigh over Charlotte.

I don’t think that Charlotte and Raleigh are comparable.   Raleigh, to me, is more like WS.  I think that Charlotte is way better than Raleigh in every respect.

Edited May 12, 2019 by SydneyCarton

[15895]

1 hour ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

its nearly 900,000.

And what we tore down never resembled anything in DC, there was like 20 square blocks of density, about what exists today. Now that said, if we had added the current 20 blocks of density and preserved and added onto the previous 20, we'd be a whole lot more urban and vibrant place. This is the one nod I give Raleigh over Charlotte.

 

 

I didn’t say Charlotte did or didn’t resemble DC. I was saying the most vibrant parts of cities tend to be the low rise/mid rise older buildings with spaces for local retailers, etc. I mentioned DC as an example that the older parts have a more vibrant feel than the newer development that all have a Starbucks, Subway, Orange Theory and CVS. And that Charlotte’s equivalent of older stock buildings have been torn down and that’s not coming back. We’re not goin to have comic book stores or anything in Novel Stonewall or Ally Tower.

[Guest]

 

 
I didn’t say Charlotte did or didn’t resemble DC. I was saying the most vibrant parts of cities tend to be the low rise/mid rise older buildings with spaces for local retailers, etc. I mentioned DC as an example that the older parts have a more vibrant feel than the newer development that all have a Starbucks, Subway, Orange Theory and CVS. And that Charlotte’s equivalent of older stock buildings have been torn down and that’s not coming back. We’re not goin to have comic book stores or anything in Novel Stonewall or Ally Tower.

Correct, sorry.


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[elrodvt]

13 minutes ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

 

 

I didn’t say Charlotte did or didn’t resemble DC. I was saying the most vibrant parts of cities tend to be the low rise/mid rise older buildings with spaces for local retailers, etc. I mentioned DC as an example that the older parts have a more vibrant feel than the newer development that all have a Starbucks, Subway, Orange Theory and CVS. And that Charlotte’s equivalent of older stock buildings have been torn down and that’s not coming back. We’re not goin to have comic book stores or anything in Novel Stonewall or Ally Tower.

That does tie into Denver and Burlington in my experience.

[U_R_]

I think the loss of old building stock has been a big loss for many southern cities in general. Atlanta has still lost quite a lot even though it managed to keep Farlie Poplar.

Edited May 12, 2019 by Ric0_0

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

7 hours ago, Ric0_0 said:

I think the loss of old building stock has been a big loss for many southern cities in general. Atlanta has still lost quite a lot even though it managed to keep Farlie Poplar.

Edgewood, Highlands, East Atlanta too.

[SydneyCarton]

Most Southern cities never had that much since between the end of the Civil War and the 1930s, they were much smaller than today and economically weak.

[Miesian Corners]

Charlotte, like all Southern cities that boomed, lost its share of older buildings due to economic activity. The reason Charleston, SC is basically intact is due to "Too proud to whitewash, too poor to tear down", or simply, it was poor, no one wanted to be there, so nothing happened.

So let's keep some things in perspective: Charlotte didn't have a great deal to begin with. In  the era we all seem to wish we had buildings from, Charlotte was relatively small. In 1930, the QC's population was only 80,000. By contrast, the populations of Atlanta and Birmingham were well over 250,000. They both had a great deal more to work with (including the all-important thing called "wealth", which we didn't have all that much of). What Charlotte has maintained is healthy inner-ring neighborhoods (although Myers Park is being dismantled nearly every day with giant additions and lot scrapes. 

And no one got off easy. Cities like New York, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, etc bulldozed huge areas of "urban blight" in the 1950s-1970s. Independence Mall  (the unloved park in front of Independence Hall in Philly) was once three blocks of 18th and 19th Century architecture. Nearly all of Southwest DC was leveled to create L'Enfant Plaza. New York City and Rockefeller leveled eight blocks of Manhattan to build Rockefeller Center. Likewise, the construction of Lincoln Center was made possible by Robert Moses's leveling of 18 city blocks on the Upper West Side. Just the four blocks used for Lincoln Center displaced 7,000 working poor and over 800 businesses.

So while I'll not make apologies for Charlotte, we do need to keep it in perspective. There's plenty of blame to go around.
 

 

[Dale]

^ This, it’s not like Charlotte had a substantial pre-war stock to tear down.

[Matthew.Brendan]

Do we need to dredge up the pictures of what was torn down? There may not have been a lot to lose, but was lost was significant. 

[Miesian Corners]

Just now, Matthew.Brendan said:

Do we need to dredge up the pictures of what was torn down? There may not have been a lot to lose, but was lost was significant. 

The photo posted is of the BoA Corporate Center site. I prefer what we have now (although I do wish the Eckerd was still uptown).

[Matthew.Brendan]

and the following comparison was of “wide swaths” of other cities. To totally beat this poor dead horse we have the still-fresh example of the Polk building - which as has been noted would never have been torn down in Savannah, Charleston, Austin, etc and other cities that value and protect such buildings. 

Its easy to wipe away all the prior “urban renewal” excuses as a different time but when it’s still occurring in front of our eyes.... not sure what else to say about that. 

[Sigma]

So this building will be quite similar to this in design, less the spire?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_Incity

[Miesian Corners]

22 minutes ago, Matthew.Brendan said:

and the following comparison was of “wide swaths” of other cities. To totally beat this poor dead horse we have the still-fresh example of the Polk building - which as has been noted would never have been torn down in Savannah, Charleston, Austin, etc and other cities that value and protect such buildings. 

Its easy to wipe away all the prior “urban renewal” excuses as a different time but when it’s still occurring in front of our eyes.... not sure what else to say about that. 

Charleston and Savannah, no. Austin, ha! 

But back to Duke. I want more info. I find it odd CK is being so stingy with its renderings/elevations. 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Miesian Corners said:

Charleston and Savannah, no. Austin, ha! 

But back to Duke. I want more info. I find it odd CK is being so stingy with its renderings/elevations. 

Not approved yet, that's why. Just got revision requests on the 10th. Grading permits and PCCOs were filed, so approval should come shortly.

Edited May 13, 2019 by Guest

[KJHburg]

Construction workers on site today and authentic parking attendant shack available.  

as discussed before in Charlotte we don't release renderings and never build (only a few times) we just build them and then release renderings. 

Bonus shot from the Green as my cut through has been blocked off due to Duke bldg 2 tower construction. 

 

Edited May 13, 2019 by KJHburg

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[Scribe]

628'10" - so who came in the closest on the height speculation?!?

Wait just a minute... wasn't this announced at 39 stories?...

So far, I like what I see.

Edited May 16, 2019 by Scribe

[CLT704]

1 minute ago, Scribe said:

628'10" - so who came in the closest on the height speculation?!?

So far, I like what I see.

It's 643.9 from my quick look.