Duke Energy Plaza Headquarters | 40 Story formerly Charlotte Metro Tower

[CLT704]

As much as I despise Trump, his policies, and baseless claims of his economic miracle (plus the fact I have not benefitted from the 'tax cut'), can we please relegate all political discussion to the coffee house? 

I know it is ironic for me to be writing this, however it just furthers my point that it distracts from the non-political discussion at hand. 

 

 

(And before I get accused of being biased/a libtard/snowflake etc, I just want to mention that I was an independent until last year and had voted for the GOP in the past.)

Edited July 1, 2018 by CLT704

[Dale]

4 minutes ago, CLT704 said:

As much as I despise Trump, his policies, and baseless claims of his economic miracle (plus the fact I have not benefitted from the 'tax cut'), can we please relegate all political discussion to the coffee house? 

I know it is ironic for me to be writing this, however it just furthers my point that it distracts from the non-political discussion at hand. 

 

 

(And before I get accused of being biased/a libtard/snowflake etc, I just want to mention that I was an independent until last year and had voted for the GOP in the past).

^ Guy gets in his shot on way out.

[JacksonH]

43 minutes ago, skymiler said:

Not to derail this thread, but the DOW and the entire market skyrocketed when Trump was elected.   

Wrong.  I had a lengthy discussion with my financial advisor about this.  He put up the charts showing the Dow Jones from 2008 to 2018.  There had been a steady upward trend from 2009 until 2016, then it got unsteady.  He explained that this was due to the uncertainty of election season, which is typical.  The market likes certainty.  Then after the election, there was an appearance of a surge in the Dow, but this was actually just the market returning to the path it had already been on.  If you look at 2009 to 2017, you can draw a straight line and see that the dip in 2016 was just a temporary deviation from that trend line.  But as I said, since this tariff talk this year, that trend is no longer apparent.  The DJ had flatlined since January.  In fact, the Dow has dropped since January.  Google DJIA and look the chart for this year, for five years and for ten years.

43 minutes ago, skymiler said:

Obama had 8 years of very slow growth,  GDP always around 2%. 

Obama came into office with NEGATIVE growth.  The entire world economy was tanking.  But as bad and as slow as growth was in the U.S., the U.S. throughout that time still maintained the strongest growth in the world.  https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2017/february/unemployment-rate-dynamics-us-europe

43 minutes ago, skymiler said:

Tax cuts have done nothing but put more money in the middle class pockets and dont even get me started on all the regulations he has eliminated.   

You're ignoring what I just posted from the Wall Street Journal about companies benefiting from the tax cuts using those savings for stock buyouts rather than increasing jobs and wages:  https://www.wsj.com/articles/boom-in-share-buybacks-renews-question-of-who-wins-from-tax-cuts-1519900200   And year-to-year real wages remaining unchanged in spite of the tax cuts:   https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/real-average-hourly-earnings-unchanged-from-may-2017-to-may-2018.htm    On top of all that, the latest CBO report shows that the national debt is soaring again.  Where is the Tea Party now???  http://fortune.com/2018/06/27/cbo-report-national-debt-rise-tax-bill-spending/   You know what's coming next, right?  "National debt is going up so we must cut middle class entitlements because we're not touching those tax cuts that mostly benefit the very wealthy."

43 minutes ago, skymiler said:

 dont even get me started on all the regulations he has eliminated.   

Don't get ME starting on that!   Generations that follow will be paying the consequences of that.   And if Trump succeeds in taking away our protections from being denied insurance for pre-existing conditions, we will all be paying in short order:  https://www.npr.org/2018/06/08/618263772/trump-administration-move-imperils-pre-existing-condition-protections   If real wages are remaining stagnant, but people can't get health insurance because of pre-existing conditions, how do you think that's going to work out?

 

Edited July 1, 2018 by JacksonH

[nicholas]

Alright fellas, we're getting waaaaaaaaay off topic here.

[Crucial_Infra]

^ It wasn't even a fair fight. (RIP @skymiler)

Edited July 2, 2018 by Crucial_Infra

[kermit]

On 7/1/2018 at 6:44 PM, skymiler said:

Not to derail this thread, but the DOW and the entire market skyrocketed when Trump was elected.   Obama had 8 years of very slow growth,  GDP always around 2%. 

If you are going to throw around words like "propaganda" then it seems reasonable to expect you to use data to support your perspective. I wonder why you didn’t do that? 

(Graphs show the change in the S&P 500 and GDP from the start of the Obama presidency to the present. The sexual assualter in-chief took office around the points highlighted on each graph)

 

 

Edited July 3, 2018 by kermit

[Dale]

Trump is taking credit for the Obama recovery. It was an eight-year plan to really bust loose once Trump took office.

[JorgiPorgi]

SERIOUSLY- can we keep the politics in Coffee House, Please? 

[hinsp0]

5 hours ago, JorgiPorgi said:

SERIOUSLY- can we keep the politics in Coffee House, Please? 

Yeah, it would be a pleasant surprise to click on this thread and read about the potential duke tower.  I can flip back and forth between fox and msnbc, or read the WSJ and NY Times, to hear or read conniption fits about the right and left.

Realizing that my two sentences above are technically off topic, I do believe that the activities in Raleigh (regarding Duke office space) point to a big shift of personnel to Charlotte.  I’d love to hear whether anyone who works for Duke in Raleigh has any insight.  To entice said person to come out of the woodwork, let me throw out an olive branch:  I really like Raleigh (it’s tied with Charlotte and Atlanta for the best place in the history of mankind).

[skymiler]

On 7/1/2018 at 6:47 PM, Cadi40 said:

I skimmed through what he wrote and based a statement off of it. It’s not propaganda it was a comment. 

Wasn't saying your comment was propaganda.   Was saying all the negative stuff is propaganda. 

[skymiler]

On 7/1/2018 at 7:47 PM, Crucial_Infra said:

^ It wasn't even a fair fight. (RIP @skymiler)

You're right....wasn't fare.  I'll keep checking my 401k, and bank accounts every day and laughing my ass off at all you far leftist who can't stand the success.  I dont need to google or research all these left wing articles that are written to support a false narrative. Thank you Donald Trump for MAGA!  

 

Now back to that tower.  It will get built, and the Charlotte economy will not slow in the near future thus hindering progress!

Edited July 2, 2018 by skymiler

[skymiler]

On 7/1/2018 at 7:47 PM, Crucial_Infra said:

^ It wasn't even a fair fight. (RIP @skymiler)

Just because you challenged me:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/818B284E-C465-11E7-BFE9-BAAC967E0E54

 

Edited July 3, 2018 by skymiler

[KJHburg]

This is the current Duke headquarters building that is owned by  Wells Fargo and Duke leases approx 500K in this building.  

Politics?  unless it is about a Duke rate hike or utility commission does not belong in this thread.  

The Duke Energy center is to the right in this photo.   Lets settle this political argument with a Krispy Kreme doughnut eating contest.  

Edited July 3, 2018 by KJHburg

[Nick2]

It's sad that you can't tell if someone is genuine or trolling anymore. 

[Cadi40]

2 hours ago, skymiler said:

Wasn't saying your comment was propaganda.   Was saying all the negative stuff is propaganda. 

Sorry for misunderstanding!

[AirNostrumMAD]

[go_vertical]

I miss that guy.

[Nick2]

We should make bets on how tall this ends up being. 509 feet, 1024 ft? Somewhere in between?

Edited July 3, 2018 by Nick2

[hinsp0]

49 minutes ago, Nick2 said:

We should make bets on how tall this ends up being. 509 feet, 1024 ft? Somewhere in between?

This type of betting is only currently legal in Delaware.  Let’s not make this political again... (sarcasm)

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Nick2 said:

We should make bets on how tall this ends up being. 509 feet, 1024 ft? Somewhere in between?

personally? I say 625' 

[navigator319]

936'4''  - On Record 

[Nick2]

I'd go with 700s. But not taller than the current DEC.

[atlrvr]

1,016'

[skymiler]

9 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

1,016'

I'll say new tallest for Charlotte, but unfortunately not as tall as Atlanta's BOA tower.  903'.

[KJHburg]

Slightly less than this.