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My money is on Toronto, Philly or Atlanta.  

One idea I had that could make Charlotte interesting would be to have a combined North Carolina HQ with business operations in CLT and tech hub in RTP.   To sweeten the deal the state could commit to putting in high speed rail linking the two cities and set aside land near each station.

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So its probably too early for a postmortem, I'll offer a few observations anyway now that it appears HQ2 will be split between Crystal City and Long Island City. If Amazon's decision is a window into

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If you thought Atlanta suburb of Stonecrest changing its name to Amazon GA was unique in the race for HQ2 now we have Amazon Ranch about 1 hour outside of Austin.  https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2017/10/17/amazon-hq2-bid-emerges-from-farm-land-of-central.html?ana=e_ae_set1&s=article_du&ed=2017-10-17&u=oAaDx%2B74FoP4qOJ%2By4AU6dhJPpc&t=1508272106&j=79010601

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Here is the Raleigh Durham website for HQ2 and their video I am guessing one of several. It highlights everything from Chimney Rock to the Outer Banks with lots of emphasize on the major universities in the Triangle.  http://www.triangledelivershq2.com/#about

The music on the website is a HUGE turnoff.

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Charlotte Business Journal is reporting this

"The Charlotte Regional Partnership is shipping off a custom-made wooden box, sealed with custom-imprinted tape, that contains its proposal that includes 22 sites to attract Amazon.com’s HQ2 to the Charlotte region. "

those 22 sites are in 6 counties which I know why they would do this but not sure it is right strategy. 

Article from Fast Company

 https://www.fastcompany.com/40481774/to-meet-amazons-tax-break-demands-for-hq2-will-cities-get-steamrolled-or-win-community-benefits

Business journal article for subscribers https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2017/10/18/charlotte-s-amazon-hq2-proposal-which-includes-22.html?ana=e_du_prem&s=scroll&ed=2017-10-18&u=oAaDx%2B74FoP4qOJ%2By4AU6dhJPpc&t=1508355684&j=79016061

Honestly I am glad this hysteria  is now in Amazon's hands and lets get back to attracting businesses to this city that we have an excellent chance of getting.  

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Hold onto your hat, it’s #CLTisPrime Day. Later today, the Charlotte Regional Partnership is shipping off a custom-made wooden box, sealed with custom-imprinted tape, that contains its proposal that includes 22 sites to attract Amazon.com’s HQ2 to the Charlotte region. “We put together a very competitive proposal,” said Ronnie Bryant , CEO of the partnership, which was picked to pitch the Charlotte area for its biggest ever economic-development prize: 50,000 jobs and $5 billion in investment. "We have a compelling story to tell around each of the decision-making criteria that Amazon finds important," Bryant added. Charlotte is not alone. At least 100 other cities and regions are making their pitch. One report says Newark, N.J., is offering $7 billion in incentives for HQ2. Elsewhere in the region, the Hickory MSA is also suggesting a site for HQ2 in its own bid. On Sept. 7, Amazon sent economic development agencies across North America into recruiting frenzy by announcing its plans to invest billions of dollars into a second headquarters, which will be "a full equal" to its 32-building Seattle headquarters. Since then, cities of all sizes and across the continent have announced efforts — ranging from 600-person "war rooms" and renaming a Georgia town "Amazon" — to try to recruit the retail giant, which expects to develop 8 million square feet for 50,000 employees over the next decade. Bryant believes the Charlotte package will keep the area in the running for the project, which has been touted as the economic development project of a lifetime by many. “We’ve got a very strong chance of making the short list,” he told the Charlotte Business Journal . We won’t know if Bryant is right and whether Charlotte makes the short list until probably January, according to a “fantasy scenario” published by the Fast Company website. The 22 sites included in Charlotte\'s bid are in six counties and are among the 16 counties the Charlotte Regional Partnership represents in promoting economic development. Bryant declined to identify the sites or the counties in which they’re located. Bryant is convinced that submitting multiple sites in North and South Carolina will give the Charlotte region a leg up with Amazon (NASDAQ: AMZN). “I think that is our competitive advantage,” he said. The state of North Carolina doesn\'t comment on active economic-development projects, says David Rhoades, department spokesman. But he says the local projects are important to the department. "The state is supporting local economic development efforts," Rhoades says. The custom-made box that will contain the Charlotte region’s HQ2 proposal is made by a local box maker but Bryant didn’t identify the company. The tape on the box is also custom-made, with #CLTisPrime printed on it, by Shurtape Technologies Inc. of Hickory. Charlotte USA is branded into the top of the box, which measures 10 inches by 10 inches by about 6 inches and contains several notebooks outlining the Charlotte area sites. It also contains 40 support letters from such Charlotte-area notables as Charlotte Hornets owner Michael Jordan and former Bank of America CEO Hugh McColl . Enlarge This box is headed to Seattle with Charlotte\'s bid for Amazon HQ2. The Seattle Times reported that Amazon has contributed $40 billion to the city\'s economy since 2010. Bryant is pleased with the Charlotte proposal and the support that Charlotte has shown for the HQ2 efforts. “We’ve gotten a lot of social media buzz,” he added. But back to #CLTisPrime Day. It’s been formally declared as such by Charlotte Mayor Jennifer Roberts . The mayor signed a proclamation that listed Charlotte\'s regional benefits, including business friendliness, fast-growing tech sector, a connected international airport and ability to attract millennials. As an activity to show support for Charlotte’s efforts, local residents are encouraged to tweet videos and pictures of their favorite Charlotte-area site. Bryant called it a “photo contest," with prizes including Hornets tickets and gift cards to local vendors. The proposal box is the result of 40 “partners” like Jordan and McColl who have worked to recommend and evaluate sites, Bryant said. But will the 50,000 Amazon jobs and $5 billion in investment really be worth it for the winning city? Amazon has collected more than $1.2 billion in public subsidies from state and local governments over the past decade for new developments including sorting and fulfillment centers, according to an analysis by American City Business Journals , the parent company of the CBJ. In fact, South Carolina has paid more than $100 million in incentives and tax abatements for projects in West Columbia and Spartanburg. Greg LeRoy , executive director of Good Jobs First, worries that cities will give away too much in their efforts to lure HQ2. Amazon could qualify for a “negative tax rate” that would offset taxes for years to come in the winning city, he wrote in the Fast Company article. Cities could offer three types of tax breaks: credits for capital investment and jobs, and other types of grants, he said. “Put all three kinds of credits together and Amazon might have total income tax credits that far exceed its tax liability, even carried forward for many years,” LeRoy wrote. Bryant said there\'s no reason to fear that Charlotte will give away the farm in its efforts to attract HQ2. Charlotte and the states will do economic impact analyses for the Amazon project to ensure it will be a net positive for the local area. "We have a good track record in this market of being fiscally responsible in putting together incentive deals that protect the resources of the public sector," Bryant said. Not everyone is convinced that Amazon is presenting such a wonderful offer with plans to build a second headquarters. San Antonio looked at the HQ2 deal and decided to pass on submitting a proposal. An open letter signed by 73 organizations nationally was released this week, calling for further scrutiny of Amazon\'s "laundry list" of demands. "You have your list of things you\'re looking for from cities — but we live in these cities and we\'ve got some expectations of our own for Amazon," the letter reads. "We love jobs, we love technology and we love convenience — but what you\'re looking for will impact every part of our cities. We built these cities and we want to make sure they remain ours." The letter calls for commitments to hiring locally; providing living wages, strong benefits and opportunities for disadvantaged groups of workers; respecting the right to form or join a union; and offering protections for whistleblowers. "We’re supportive of efforts that North Carolina gets the most of out of any deal with Amazon," said Allan Freyer , director of the Workers\' Right Project at the N.C. Justice Center, which signed the open letter. "In general, we think there are better ways to grow the economy than giving these big incentive packages." Freyer said that because of the project\'s size, North Carolina needs to make especially sure it "does the deal right" should it be selected for HQ2. "We need to make sure Amazon is following workplace safety standards," he said. "The state (Job Development Investment Grant) program has explicit provisions for companies that have had safety and health violations within three years. We have to make sure that provision isn’t waived." The letter noted that two Amazon workers were killed on the job in warehouses in Pennsylvania and Indiana last month. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration is investing both cases, according to multiple news outlets. Other things the N.C. Justice Center is advocating for should a North Carolina region negotiate with Amazon to land HQ2: hiring North Carolinians for good-wage jobs and also those "who have historically been left out of economic development in the state." Freyer suggested the company could work with training programs already in place with the state at community colleges to hire a certain percentage of workers learning specific skills that match the company\'s needs. Another potential ramification for the region that Amazon selects for HQ2: soaring housing prices. A Case-Shiller home price index released earlier this year indicated Seattle had some of the fastest-growing home prices nationally, with Zillow reporting a 12.7% increase year-over-year. A study released in February by online realtor Nested ranked Seattle as having the 9th highest rents in the world and named it the 5th most expensive city for rent in the U.S. While that growth in rent and home prices isn\'t solely linked to Amazon\'s headquarters presence there, the retailer employs 50,000 in Seattle, which has contributed heavily to the town\'s boom. As a result of that rapid growth, Seattle is facing economic disparity issues not unlike Charlotte\'s own. The deadline for HQ2 proposals is tomorrow. In This Article Allan Freyer Person Amazon.com Company Bank of America Company 2 more By Ken Elkins and Ashley Fahey – Charlotte Business Journal an hour ago Updated 15 minutes ago Later today, the Charlotte Regional Partnership is shipping off a custom-made wooden box, sealed with custom-imprinted tape, that contains its proposal that includes 22 sites across six counties to attract Amazon.com’s HQ2 to the Charlotte region.

 

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Hold onto your hat, it’s #CLTisPrime Day. Later today, the Charlotte Regional Partnership is shipping off a custom-made wooden box, sealed with custom-imprinted tape, that contains its proposal that includes 22 sites to attract Amazon.com’s HQ2 to the Charlotte region. “We put together a very competitive proposal,” said Ronnie Bryant , CEO of the partnership, which was picked to pitch the Charlotte area for its biggest ever economic-development prize: 50,000 jobs and $5 billion in investment. "We have a compelling story to tell around each of the decision-making criteria that Amazon finds important," Bryant added. Charlotte is not alone. At least 100 other cities and regions are making their pitch. One report says Newark, N.J., is offering $7 billion in incentives for HQ2. Elsewhere in the region, the Hickory MSA is also suggesting a site for HQ2 in its own bid. On Sept. 7, Amazon sent economic development agencies across North America into recruiting frenzy by announcing its plans to invest billions of dollars into a second headquarters, which will be "a full equal" to its 32-building Seattle headquarters. Since then, cities of all sizes and across the continent have announced efforts — ranging from 600-person "war rooms" and renaming a Georgia town "Amazon" — to try to recruit the retail giant, which expects to develop 8 million square feet for 50,000 employees over the next decade. Bryant believes the Charlotte package will keep the area in the running for the project, which has been touted as the economic development project of a lifetime by many. “We’ve got a very strong chance of making the short list,” he told the Charlotte Business Journal . We won’t know if Bryant is right and whether Charlotte makes the short list until probably January, according to a “fantasy scenario” published by the Fast Company website. The 22 sites included in Charlotte\'s bid are in six counties and are among the 16 counties the Charlotte Regional Partnership represents in promoting economic development. Bryant declined to identify the sites or the counties in which they’re located. Bryant is convinced that submitting multiple sites in North and South Carolina will give the Charlotte region a leg up with Amazon (NASDAQ: AMZN). “I think that is our competitive advantage,” he said. The state of North Carolina doesn\'t comment on active economic-development projects, says David Rhoades, department spokesman. But he says the local projects are important to the department. "The state is supporting local economic development efforts," Rhoades says. The custom-made box that will contain the Charlotte region’s HQ2 proposal is made by a local box maker but Bryant didn’t identify the company. The tape on the box is also custom-made, with #CLTisPrime printed on it, by Shurtape Technologies Inc. of Hickory. Charlotte USA is branded into the top of the box, which measures 10 inches by 10 inches by about 6 inches and contains several notebooks outlining the Charlotte area sites. It also contains 40 support letters from such Charlotte-area notables as Charlotte Hornets owner Michael Jordan and former Bank of America CEO Hugh McColl . Enlarge This box is headed to Seattle with Charlotte\'s bid for Amazon HQ2. The Seattle Times reported that Amazon has contributed $40 billion to the city\'s economy since 2010. Bryant is pleased with the Charlotte proposal and the support that Charlotte has shown for the HQ2 efforts. “We’ve gotten a lot of social media buzz,” he added. But back to #CLTisPrime Day. It’s been formally declared as such by Charlotte Mayor Jennifer Roberts . The mayor signed a proclamation that listed Charlotte\'s regional benefits, including business friendliness, fast-growing tech sector, a connected international airport and ability to attract millennials. As an activity to show support for Charlotte’s efforts, local residents are encouraged to tweet videos and pictures of their favorite Charlotte-area site. Bryant called it a “photo contest," with prizes including Hornets tickets and gift cards to local vendors. The proposal box is the result of 40 “partners” like Jordan and McColl who have worked to recommend and evaluate sites, Bryant said. But will the 50,000 Amazon jobs and $5 billion in investment really be worth it for the winning city? Amazon has collected more than $1.2 billion in public subsidies from state and local governments over the past decade for new developments including sorting and fulfillment centers, according to an analysis by American City Business Journals , the parent company of the CBJ. In fact, South Carolina has paid more than $100 million in incentives and tax abatements for projects in West Columbia and Spartanburg. Greg LeRoy , executive director of Good Jobs First, worries that cities will give away too much in their efforts to lure HQ2. Amazon could qualify for a “negative tax rate” that would offset taxes for years to come in the winning city, he wrote in the Fast Company article. Cities could offer three types of tax breaks: credits for capital investment and jobs, and other types of grants, he said. “Put all three kinds of credits together and Amazon might have total income tax credits that far exceed its tax liability, even carried forward for many years,” LeRoy wrote. Bryant said there\'s no reason to fear that Charlotte will give away the farm in its efforts to attract HQ2. Charlotte and the states will do economic impact analyses for the Amazon project to ensure it will be a net positive for the local area. "We have a good track record in this market of being fiscally responsible in putting together incentive deals that protect the resources of the public sector," Bryant said. Not everyone is convinced that Amazon is presenting such a wonderful offer with plans to build a second headquarters. San Antonio looked at the HQ2 deal and decided to pass on submitting a proposal. An open letter signed by 73 organizations nationally was released this week, calling for further scrutiny of Amazon\'s "laundry list" of demands. "You have your list of things you\'re looking for from cities — but we live in these cities and we\'ve got some expectations of our own for Amazon," the letter reads. "We love jobs, we love technology and we love convenience — but what you\'re looking for will impact every part of our cities. We built these cities and we want to make sure they remain ours." The letter calls for commitments to hiring locally; providing living wages, strong benefits and opportunities for disadvantaged groups of workers; respecting the right to form or join a union; and offering protections for whistleblowers. "We’re supportive of efforts that North Carolina gets the most of out of any deal with Amazon," said Allan Freyer , director of the Workers\' Right Project at the N.C. Justice Center, which signed the open letter. "In general, we think there are better ways to grow the economy than giving these big incentive packages." Freyer said that because of the project\'s size, North Carolina needs to make especially sure it "does the deal right" should it be selected for HQ2. "We need to make sure Amazon is following workplace safety standards," he said. "The state (Job Development Investment Grant) program has explicit provisions for companies that have had safety and health violations within three years. We have to make sure that provision isn’t waived." The letter noted that two Amazon workers were killed on the job in warehouses in Pennsylvania and Indiana last month. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration is investing both cases, according to multiple news outlets. Other things the N.C. Justice Center is advocating for should a North Carolina region negotiate with Amazon to land HQ2: hiring North Carolinians for good-wage jobs and also those "who have historically been left out of economic development in the state." Freyer suggested the company could work with training programs already in place with the state at community colleges to hire a certain percentage of workers learning specific skills that match the company\'s needs. Another potential ramification for the region that Amazon selects for HQ2: soaring housing prices. A Case-Shiller home price index released earlier this year indicated Seattle had some of the fastest-growing home prices nationally, with Zillow reporting a 12.7% increase year-over-year. A study released in February by online realtor Nested ranked Seattle as having the 9th highest rents in the world and named it the 5th most expensive city for rent in the U.S. While that growth in rent and home prices isn\'t solely linked to Amazon\'s headquarters presence there, the retailer employs 50,000 in Seattle, which has contributed heavily to the town\'s boom. As a result of that rapid growth, Seattle is facing economic disparity issues not unlike Charlotte\'s own. The deadline for HQ2 proposals is tomorrow. In This Article Allan Freyer Person Amazon.com Company Bank of America Company 2 more By Ken Elkins and Ashley Fahey – Charlotte Business Journal an hour ago Updated 15 minutes ago Later today, the Charlotte Regional Partnership is shipping off a custom-made wooden box, sealed with custom-imprinted tape, that contains its proposal that includes 22 sites across six counties to attract Amazon.com’s HQ2 to the Charlotte region.

 

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A Quick way to view the premium stories is to right click the webpage and select 'View source'.. scroll down and the text will be there. I dont do it manually though.

Is there a possibility that this comes in a properly indented internet article? I cannot read a text block this big. #GraphicDesignerProblems

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Given the amount of public subsidy involved this is total BS: 

 

It was also reported that the New Jersey incentives package was north of $7 billion. I doubt NC will crack $1 billion. 

I think we can, And It's much more expensive it build in Newark then it is Charlotte. And Newark isn't the most desirable area. 

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^^^ Let Jersey have it then if all it takes is $7 Billion of taxpayer dollars.  New Jersey has the HIGHEST property taxes in the US so I am sure this is not going to help with that.  You will be able to attract millenials from NY and PA for sure but not sure how many people from other parts of the country will want to move to an over taxed, overpriced state.  (and yes I lived there once)    Amazon has played this well but I hope NC is aggressive but not desperate to land this.  When our state has 2 of the fastest growing metros in the country we are doing quite fine without Amazon HQ. 

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