Orlando Magic Entertainment Complex [Proposed]

[AmIReal]

6 minutes ago, aent said:

Because we have an ARB. You want better, higher quality, more unique developments, disband the ARB. You may get a few ugly projects too, but thats the price you pay. If its not disbanded, I'd be shocked if we don't continue to get exactly what we've been getting.

I don't know of many growing cities that do not have a board of this nature- they may not call it ARB, but they perform the same function.

[JFW657]

30 minutes ago, sunshine said:

A mayor can shape downtown, we need someone that have the will to make Orlando the next Miami/ Austin.

I understand that a mayor can have a lot of influence regarding general direction, but I have a hard time believing he/she has that much influence over the actual style and design elements of individual, non-city owned buildings. Things like City Hall, DPAC, Amway, Exploria, etc, I can see. But it seems to me that private developers can hire whichever architect they please. Maybe the reason why Lincoln and Baker-Barrios get the most downtown design work is because they have experience here and are either locally based or have offices here. 

Also, wasn't Church St Plaza Phase 1 was designed by HuntonBrady?

I don't believe downtown Orlando has an excessive number of HB designed buildings.

27 minutes ago, aent said:

Because we have an ARB. You want better, higher quality, more unique developments, disband the ARB. You may get a few ugly projects too, but thats the price you pay. If its not disbanded, I'd be shocked if we don't continue to get exactly what we've been getting.

The last time I went through the permitting process in Miami, they had what is basically the equivalent of our ARB.

I don't know if downtown Miami has the same issue with only a few firms designing all their buildings, but I'm pretty sure the developers down there utilize the design services of various foreign based firms many of them South American.

I think much of it revolves around money and the depth of the pockets involved.

 

[jack]

Arquitectonica is pretty dominant as well as MSA.. The market is geared towards luxury which means you spend more and you get more. Not a good comparison. Plenty of international firms down there as well. You have to do a lot to stand out. 

Austin is probably a better comparison but that is not very fair either. The city has tons of money and generally is or at least was cheaper to build in. 

[AmIReal]

Two year old article, but an informative read.

Welcome to the Neighborhood: America’s Sports Stadiums Are Moving Downtown

Sacramento built their Kings sports and entertainment district downtown in a mixed use space and..."The number of downtown jobs has increased 38 percent...In the last year, 27 new stores have opened and 23 others are scheduled to open this year."

"Across the country, in more than a dozen cities, downtowns are being remade as developers abandon the suburbs to combine new sports arenas with mixed-used residential, retail and office space back in the city. The new projects are altering the financial formula for building stadiums and arenas by surrounding them not with mostly idle parking lots in suburban expanses, but with revenue-producing stores, offices and residences capable of servicing the public debt used to help build these venues."

The SF Giants, the GS Warriors, the Columbus Blue Jackets, Cincinnati Reds and Bengals, the Rams and Chargers and the Pistons and Red Wings... "The explosion in mixed-use developments like these is owed, in part, to the urban American economic renaissance."

“It’s the one-square-mile effect,” said Bruce Katz, an urban development specialist at the Brookings Institution. “Downtowns and midtowns possess an enormous amount of value in a relatively small geography.”

A 2016 Brookings study found 45 stadiums for the 4 major sports were built at a cost of 28B and 13B was public backed tax free bonds from 2000 to 2014- many of them died out.

“The financial catastrophes that occurred convinced cities and residents that multimillion-dollar subsidies for stand-alone stadiums are a loser.”

There's a lot more if you want to read it- https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/business/sports-arena-development.html

 

[JFW657]

I wonder why the article mentioned the Rams and Chargers.

The Rams/Chargers new SoFi Stadium is being built in Inglewood which is 12 miles from downtown Los Angeles.

[AmIReal]

2 hours ago, JFW657 said:

I wonder why the article mentioned the Rams and Chargers.

The Rams/Chargers new SoFi Stadium is being built in Inglewood which is 12 miles from downtown Los Angeles.

Because its not a standalone stadium.

From the article..."In Inglewood, Calif., a $3.8 billion, 298-acre mixed-use development currently under construction will include a privately financed N.F.L. stadium to be shared by the Los Angeles Rams and the newly located Los Angeles Chargers."

The point of the article is as much about building multi-use to create additional funding recapture as it is about building downtown. It is also about regeneration of a economically abandoned area.  In the case of Inglewood, they are restoring the old racetrack into a planned master neighborhood.

[sunshine]

But we still have a surface parking lot after so many years....

[AmIReal]

Fwiw, OBJ says the Magic have named a partner/ developer in the project- Anil Kumar. And if you are saying "who dat" so is everyone else.

Edited January 21, 2020 by AmIReal

[Dale]

6 hours ago, AmIReal said:

Fwiw, OBJ says the Magic have named a partner/ developer in the project- Anil Kumar. And if you are saying "who dat" so is everyone else.

Is it this guy ? 

 

[spenser1058]

Will this, ummm, light a fire under the Magic?

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-ne-fire-orlando-union-rescue-mission-building-20200122-ximvpc6zobhsrf5fn7hpymi2we-story.html

UPDATE: There were apparently a few transient folks in the building but they thankfully seem to have been unharmed - O.U.R. Mission left in August.

From the Sentinel 

Edited January 22, 2020 by spenser1058

[codypet]

I just saw that.  Looks like there were transients inside.  I'm sure some insurance $$$ will help get the project started.

[spenser1058]

2 minutes ago, codypet said:

I just saw that.  Looks like there were transients inside.  I'm sure some insurance $$$ will help get the project started.

Thanks, you’re right, but they were apparently unharmed.

[JFW657]

Just saw video of it on the news a little while ago.

I think I heard something said about OPD taking some of them in.

Homeless or not, if they built a fire inside that building and caused all this, I hope they end up getting a "home" courtesy of the county for a good 18 to 24 months.

Being homeless is no excuse for setting buildings on fire.

[jrs2]

[Urban Mail Carrier]

I could smell and see the smoke all the way in Downtown Winter Park. At the time I didn’t know the source, but after reading that the smoke billowed Eastbound, I can deduce that it was probably from Magic Entertainment complex construction site.

[dcluley98]

Separate from the Entertainment Complex, the Magic could also build a standalone 100,000 SF training facility and health/fitness complex at Central Boulevard at Terry Avenue, which sits northwest of the Amway Center, west of the proposed MEC, and east of Exploria Stadium.

They are currently in negotiations with the city to purchase property for $5.1 million to provide the full parcel for the project.   This would increase the development of the Sports District as proposed in the master plan for Parramore. 

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orange-county/os-ne-orlando-magic-training-facility-20200205-fjwlueuzcrfzzeabwfxxx2xdvu-story.html

[smileguy]

3 minutes ago, dcluley98 said:

Separate from the Entertainment Complex, the Magic could also build a standalone 100,000 SF training facility and health/fitness complex at Central Boulevard at Terry Avenue, which sits northwest of the Amway Center, west of the proposed MEC, and east of Exploria Stadium.

They are currently in negotiations with the city to purchase property for $5.1 million to provide the full parcel for the project.   This would increase the development of the Sports District as proposed in the master plan for Parramore. 

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orange-county/os-ne-orlando-magic-training-facility-20200205-fjwlueuzcrfzzeabwfxxx2xdvu-story.html

Something about this sits funny with me.  I wonder if it will be primarily a parking garage, with the additional uses. The  2.58 acres of the site is just a hair larger than the 100,000sf of training  and health uses they want to build. 

[dcluley98]

From the article, my understanding is that the parking lot the City owns is 2.58 acres, but the site they will build on will be larger because it will be combined with the other 3rd of the block that the Magic already own to the east. Therefore, the building site will essentially be the whole block bordered by  Terry, Central, Division, and Pine. 

[Uncommon]

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orange-county/os-ne-orlando-magic-training-facility-20200205-fjwlueuzcrfzzeabwfxxx2xdvu-story.html

The Orlando Magic are eyeing the purchase of a city-owned parking lot just west of the Amway Center, where the team may build a new training facility with an orthopedic and community health center, city records show.

It’s 2.58 acres on Central Boulevard at Terry Avenue, which sits northwest of the Amway Center and east of Exploria Stadium. The $5.1 million deal would join the land with a smaller neighboring grassy lot the Magic already own.

The deal requires City Council approval and a vote is expected Monday.

City documents show the planned practice facility is to be about 100,000 square feet with a joint orthopedic facility and health clinic, as well as parking. The team currently practices at the city-owned arena.

 

The agreement has a swift timeline for the project to move forward, with the team required to file demolition permits within six months of purchase and any building permits six months later.

The Orlando Magic own a neighboring grassy lot, that could be a part of a proposed training facility. (Ryan Gillespie / Orlando Sentinel)

“At this time, the Magic are in the process of investigating the possibility of developing a training facility for the basketball team with a community health component. Part of the franchise’s due diligence is investigating the possibility of obtaining land in downtown Orlando," Magic spokesman Joel Glass said. "Pending City Council approval to sell the land, the Magic will make a determination about the development of the project.”

The move is similar to other standalone facilities throughout the NBA, such as the Atlanta Hawks’ Emory Sports Medicine Complex — also an orthopedic center — in a suburb about 15 minutes from the team’s downtown arena.

In 2016, the Brooklyn Nets opened the Hospital for Special Surgery Training Center, which prior to development was an abandoned eighth-story warehouse about three miles from the Barclays Center, according to NBA.com. 
 

The proposed Magic facility would be about a quarter of a mile from the city-owned arena where the team plays home games. The franchise paid $50 million toward $480 million costs, with the rest mostly covered by the county’s bed tax, and pays rent.

The building, which opened in 2010, hosts NBA games — including the league’s All-Star game in 2012 — as well as the Orlando Solar Bears hockey team and concerts including by Shakira, Katy Perry, Jay-Z and Justin Bieber. Amway Center also was the site of President Donald Trump’s kickoff rally for his 2020 re-election campaign.

 

[Uncommon]

Another article on it: https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2020/02/05/orlando-magic-plans-new-100k-sf-downtown-project.html?iana=hpmvp_orl_news_headline

 

The Orlando Magic are looking to scoop up some land owned by the city of Orlando for a new 100,000-square-foot facility in downtown.

On Feb. 10, the city council will vote on selling a 2.58-acre parking lot at 522 W. Central Blvd. for $5.1 million, or $2.52 million per acre, to the Magic. The land is less than half a mile from the Amway Center, the team's home court, and is adjacent some property already owned by the Magic, according to city documents. 

If the deal is approved, the land would become the site of a new team training facility with an orthopedic center and a community health component.

There's no clear timeline for the project, nor a cost, but the contract states that any needed demolition of the property has to begin within six months of the deal closing and construction within six months after demolition. 

"Part of the franchise’s due diligence is investigating the possibility of obtaining land in downtown Orlando," Orlando Magic spokesman Joel Glass told Orlando Business Journal. 

This would be the latest major development underway by the Orlando Magic.

The largest to date is the $500 million-plus, downtown mixed-use project called Orlando Sports & Entertainment District planned to be built across the street of the Amway Center. That project will include a 300-room hotel, 420,000 square feet of office space, 80,000 square feet of event space, more than 100,000 square feet of retail space and an open-air plaza. It has the potential to boost sports-related traffic through downtown and provide other high-end amenities. 

New projects create opportunities for local contractors and vendors, plus when completed, they create new permanent jobs.

[jrs2]

1 hour ago, Uncommon said:

Another article on it: https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2020/02/05/orlando-magic-plans-new-100k-sf-downtown-project.html?iana=hpmvp_orl_news_headline

 

The Orlando Magic are looking to scoop up some land owned by the city of Orlando for a new 100,000-square-foot facility in downtown.

On Feb. 10, the city council will vote on selling a 2.58-acre parking lot at 522 W. Central Blvd. for $5.1 million, or $2.52 million per acre, to the Magic. The land is less than half a mile from the Amway Center, the team's home court, and is adjacent some property already owned by the Magic, according to city documents. 

If the deal is approved, the land would become the site of a new team training facility with an orthopedic center and a community health component.

There's no clear timeline for the project, nor a cost, but the contract states that any needed demolition of the property has to begin within six months of the deal closing and construction within six months after demolition. 

"Part of the franchise’s due diligence is investigating the possibility of obtaining land in downtown Orlando," Orlando Magic spokesman Joel Glass told Orlando Business Journal. 

This would be the latest major development underway by the Orlando Magic.

The largest to date is the $500 million-plus, downtown mixed-use project called Orlando Sports & Entertainment District planned to be built across the street of the Amway Center. That project will include a 300-room hotel, 420,000 square feet of office space, 80,000 square feet of event space, more than 100,000 square feet of retail space and an open-air plaza. It has the potential to boost sports-related traffic through downtown and provide other high-end amenities. 

New projects create opportunities for local contractors and vendors, plus when completed, they create new permanent jobs.

yeah, I plugged that address into google maps.  it's the parking lot on the north side of City View Apartments/ HD Supply.

It is also due west of the proposed entertainment complex.

If they develop that, it will complete the big block City View is currently on.

that's awesome!

[Uncommon]

The good news is if this gets approved, construction should start within a year according to the contract.

[jrs2]

19 hours ago, Uncommon said:

The good news is if this gets approved, construction should start within a year according to the contract.

are we talking regular calendar one year's time or Orlando Magic version of one year?  LOL.

[spenser1058]

Construction to start in April? Also, good to have them sign on to support for women-led firms and Parramore residents to have priority for jobs.

https://twitter.com/byryangillespie/status/1226960533305413639?s=21

 

[cwetteland]

This is the practice facility behind CityView and not the full MEC, right?