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[orange87]

Canada's ban on all handgun sales goes into effect

The ban will bar anyone from buying, selling or transferring handguns within Canada, and it will stop people from bringing new handguns into the country.

Article: https://www.axios.com/2022/10/22/canada-handgun-sales-ban-rules?fbclid=IwAR0sNrlRF6GbHEUQb7VF9o7VlzGsuAea_lgnz60_DKE8vcUcwz2nCC2_Lio

[orange87]

For $15k and a signed NDA, students at Kanye West's unaccredited Donda Academy start the day with 'full school worship' before parkour enrichment classes

Article: https://www.businessinsider.com/kanye-west-religious-school-donda-academy-los-angeles-california-2022-10?fbclid=IwAR3eMbaS5MAiJB4vJWrRpXdwQNioDu_wKW9Z0A2T9erihOYVulRRfhBw3t0

Edited October 23, 2022 by orange87

[spenser1058]

It sounds almost as useless as Trump University!

Edited October 23, 2022 by spenser1058

[spenser1058]

How ‘bout a little trip to Memphis?

 

[jack]

On 10/20/2022 at 4:09 PM, spenser1058 said:

“Truss’s announced departure after just 45 days apparently marks the shortest residence ever at 10 Downing Street. She made so many mistakes in so little time that it’s hard to list them all. But the most needlessly self-destructive was trying to impose simplistic right-wing economic policies that work only in theory, never in practice.”*

Jack, the right’s answer to everything for forty years, from Reagan and Thatcher right on through Dubya and Trump, has been tax cuts for the rich. You can try to run away from it as fast as you try to run away from  Rick Scott’s taking the Fifth 75+ times in the biggest Medicare fraud case ever, but they’re both still true.

Laffer Curve economics are still just as much a failure as they were in Ronnie and Maggie’s day and Rick Scott’s moral compass is no less broken than it ever has been.

* Jennifer Rubin, who was a Romney Republican and, unlike spineless folks like Rick and Little Marco, broke with the party over Trump.

Even The Economist, the magazine of conservative thought since the 19th century, was appalled.
 

The Laffer curve was, is and always be true. But it has been misrepresented by all ideologies. 

Jennifer Rubin is a hack. She hates Trump, great. But why is she all of a sudden pro choice when she was pro life pre Trump. She has stopped believing in everything she previously held as first principles 10 years ago. 

What Truss did was so appalling that she did not vet what the implications were to her plan, was going to drive up massive deficit spending to finance it in an area of massive inflation. 

[jrs2]

19 hours ago, orange87 said:

Canada's ban on all handgun sales goes into effect

The ban will bar anyone from buying, selling or transferring handguns within Canada, and it will stop people from bringing new handguns into the country.

Article: https://www.axios.com/2022/10/22/canada-handgun-sales-ban-rules?fbclid=IwAR0sNrlRF6GbHEUQb7VF9o7VlzGsuAea_lgnz60_DKE8vcUcwz2nCC2_Lio

Here's the real Justin Trudeau below.  So anything he does just totes a Leftist party line. and has no merit to the logical free world politic.    If you want to reduce gun violence, increase the economic situation in the country.  Create more jobs.  Then way less people are being robbed.  You can rob people with a knife.  You can mug people with a knife.  But you can't fend off an assailant with a gun or knife safely if you don't have a gun.  But they're only worried about disarming legal gun owners, who are voters, not criminals, who get guns thru the black market which cannot be regulated.  So...why even do it and leave legal gun owners defenseless?  

I remember the 80's band Loverboy; Canadian.  They had a song on their album Get Lucky from 1981 called "Gangs in the Street."  They were from Ontario.  Gee, wow.  So the perfect Canada with their perfect society doesn't seem all that perfect after all with their less than perfect economy under their Socialistic state, where you have these unsafe conditions being sung about from a pop band that was known for "Working for the Weekend" and other songs about getting laid; yet the are singing about threats of encountering criminals while going out.    

Democrats and the Left don't want to fix things because if they do, there won't be anyone to rile up and protest in the streets on their behalf.  They deal in false flags and finger pointing; that is the expertise of the Left.  

 

 

[orange87]

14 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

Here's the real Justin Trudeau below.  So anything he does just totes a Leftist party line. and has no merit to the logical free world politic.    If you want to reduce gun violence, increase the economic situation in the country.  Create more jobs.  Then way less people are being robbed.  You can rob people with a knife.  You can mug people with a knife.  But you can't fend off an assailant with a gun or knife safely if you don't have a gun.  But they're only worried about disarming legal gun owners, who are voters, not criminals, who get guns thru the black market which cannot be regulated.  So...why even do it and leave legal gun owners defenseless?  

I remember the 80's band Loverboy; Canadian.  They had a song on their album Get Lucky from 1981 called "Gangs in the Street."  They were from Ontario.  Gee, wow.  So the perfect Canada with their perfect society doesn't seem all that perfect after all with their less than perfect economy under their Socialistic state, where you have these unsafe conditions being sung about from a pop band that was known for "Working for the Weekend" and other songs about getting laid; yet the are singing about threats of encountering criminals while going out.    

Democrats and the Left don't want to fix things because if they do, there won't be anyone to rile up and protest in the streets on their behalf.  They deal in false flags and finger pointing; that is the expertise of the Left.  

 

The U.S. is ninth in the world in gun deaths per capita which is higher than Mexico, Nicaragua and South Africa (to name a few). The U.S. also has the highest gun ownership per capita in the world. No matter what mental gymnastics you use that you heard on your local talk radio station or from Breitbart will change cold hard facts.

[jrs2]

10 minutes ago, orange87 said:

The U.S. is ninth in the world in gun deaths per capita which is higher than Mexico, Nicaragua and South Africa (to name a few). The U.S. also has the highest gun ownership per capita in the world. No matter what mental gymnastics you use that you heard on your local talk radio station or from Breitbart will change cold hard facts.

wow.  The way Democrats talk about it they make it seem like the US is #1 in the world in gun deaths.  And with the highest per capita gun ownership, I'd say were doing ok.

but please don't lecture me about "cold hard facts."  Why you relay someone else's statistics, you have no idea whether or not those are even accurate.  And as a result they read comments like yours and chuckle, when you give them validity without validation.

Either way, I say so what?  Criminals will always have their guns, but Democrats don't care about that.  Those turncoat politicians only care about having their own armed bodyguards; same with the Hollywood Elite.  A lot of hypocrisy involved there.  

And for the record, I do not read Breitbart or those other "right-wing" sites (the ones that call it like it is and are therefore labeled "right-wing").  I assess everything,  But the problem is that the Left is deceitful like Malcom X stated back in the 1960's; they will never tell you their end game, yet all rational thinkers know what it is.  So what is there to assess about what they say?  So politicians will dance around the issue and play the politics game.  The only difference with Trump is that he took the filter off.  It doesn't mean Leftists aren't Leftists just because Trump called them out and Leftists try to label him whatever they've tried to label him and make it stick.  He was just one of few with the balls to do it.  But the Left doesn't like that; they like to dictate without being challenged.  

And Trump called out GOP members too if you recall (the ones that supported bad trade deals).  Notice how they both ganged up on him under the guise of whatever their anti-Trump platform was, all in an effort to protect their bottom line.  Because in the end, that's really what it's all about to politicians (enter @spenser1058 or whomever with the mantra if you expect less that's what you end up with ya dee ya da).

[orange87]

 

4 hours ago, jrs2 said:

wow.  The way Democrats talk about it they make it seem like the US is #1 in the world in gun deaths.  And with the highest per capita gun ownership, I'd say were doing ok.

Do you know how many countries there are in the world? Yeah. Only eight countries on the entire planet have more gun deaths per capita than we do. If you conclude from that stat that "we're doing okay" then there's something very wrong with you.

4 hours ago, jrs2 said:

but please don't lecture me about "cold hard facts."  Why you relay someone else's statistics, you have no idea whether or not those are even accurate.  And as a result they read comments like yours and chuckle, when you give them validity without validation.

You pulled this maneuver when I gave you stats on climate change too. You said you don't believe the NASA data I gave you because you didn't personally observe them performing there studies. Now you're saying you don't believe the gun homicide data I presented to you because you didn't personally witness each murder. It's amazing how you hold things that you wish weren't true to an insanely unrealistic amount of required vetting, but things like the 2020 election being "stolen" only needs Donald Trump's tweets to be proof enough for you to believe that.

4 hours ago, jrs2 said:

Either way, I say so what?

Yep. This statement about skyrocketing gun murders in America speaks volumes about you, as did you saying that pictures from the day Sandy Hook happened "mean nothing" to you.

Edited October 24, 2022 by orange87

[spenser1058]

It often seems that somehow the MAGA crowd was born without the empathy gene or maybe they’re just like Ouiser in Steel Magnolias and they’ve been in a very bad mood for forty years…

Edited October 24, 2022 by spenser1058

[jrs2]

10 minutes ago, orange87 said:

Do you know how many countries there are in the world? Yeah. Only eight countries on the entire planet have more gun murders per capita than we do. If you conclude from that stat that "we're doing okay" then there's something very wrong with you.

You pulled this maneuver when I gave you stats on climate change too. You said you don't believe the NASA data I gave you because you didn't personally observe them performing there studies. Now you're saying you don't believe the gun homicide data I presented to you because you didn't personally witness each murder. It's amazing how you hold things that you wish weren't true to an insanely unrealistic amount of required vetting, but things like the 2020 election being stolen only needs Donald Trump's tweets to be proof enough for you to believe that.

Yep. This statement about skyrocketing gun murders in America speaks volumes about you, as did you saying that pictures from the day Sandy Hook happened "mean nothing" to you.

You didn't retort about my comment about the Left and their "deceitful" intentions per Malcom X.  It think that is enough, from an accomplished Black activist, from back before you were born, to give an assessment about the political ideology that you support.   When even he thinks that, then why trust anything the Left comes up with to bolster their agenda on anything?  

The "data":   My only comment had to do with "data heads" constantly citing to something they themselves have no personal knowledge about.  But, on that point, see below:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

The US isn't even in the Top 20 in Firearm Related Death Rate per capita.  Look at the list.  So, so much for your "data" argument.  Wow, China and Iran are world leaders in the category as far as being the safest from gun deaths.  Move to China- there's no freedom of assembly or free speech.  Move to Iran; they'll execute you for...[fill in the blank].

As for 2020 elections, how many state legislatures tried to do a recount but couldn't because their Secretaries of State had to approve it?  There were several states involved.  That's a little more than a simple tweet from Trump...  not to mention that the night of Jan 6, Congress convened and did not allow any testimony from those states (conveniently) as a result of the FBI-led "break in" and fear for safety BS when they approved those electors.  If you don't see anything wonky about that, I can't help you.

Here is one video from Malcom X on Liberals:

 

[jrs2]

18 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

It often seems that somehow the MAGA crowd was born without the empathy gene or maybe they’re just like Ouiser in Steel Magnolias and they’ve been in a very bad mood for forty years…

if the Left told you to commit suicide for the betterment of society and the planet, you would probably do it, wouldn't you?

Here.  I've got a special Malcom X speech just for you.  I recommend turning on the cc so you can actually see the words being spoken; they resonate more when the words are actually seen.  I may actually repost this and type out that speech.  This is the second such speech; and I haven't even found the one I was originally looking for.  Enjoy!

 

[orange87]

2 hours ago, jrs2 said:

You didn't retort about my comment about the Left and their "deceitful" intentions per Malcom X.  It think that is enough, from an accomplished Black activist, from back before you were born, to give an assessment about the political ideology that you support.   When even he thinks that, then why trust anything the Left comes up with to bolster their agenda on anything?

Why would I care about Malcom X? I don't like him (or hate him) and I'm not a black rights do-gooder white savior liberal so this doesn't apply to me.

2 hours ago, jrs2 said:

The "data":   My only comment had to do with "data heads" constantly citing to something they themselves have no personal knowledge about.  But, on that point, see below:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

The US isn't even in the Top 20 in Firearm Related Death Rate per capita.  Look at the list.  So, so much for your "data" argument.  Wow, China and Iran are world leaders in the category as far as being the safest from gun deaths.  Move to China- there's no freedom of assembly or free speech.  Move to Iran; they'll execute you for...[fill in the blank].

If you actually took time to read the data and didn't just half-arse it, you would see that the data I provided, and the data you provided are both correct and are for different things. My number includes gun homicides AND gun suicides. Yours only takes into account for gun homicides and doesn't include gun suicides. By the way, I'm fully expecting you to say gun suicides don't matter to you based on some of the other things you've said on here

2 hours ago, jrs2 said:

As for 2020 elections, how many state legislatures tried to do a recount but couldn't because their Secretaries of State had to approve it?  There were several states involved.  That's a little more than a simple tweet from Trump...  not to mention that the night of Jan 6, Congress convened and did not allow any testimony from those states (conveniently) as a result of the FBI-led "break in" and fear for safety BS when they approved those electors.  If you don't see anything wonky about that, I can't help you.

Infowars-level drivel, that I think speaks for itself.

Edited October 24, 2022 by orange87

[spenser1058]

Let’s hear it for your incredible New! Improved! Orlando Magic who are now 0-4!

[HankStrong]

The real JUST WOW in this thread is that there are now about 15 almost purely political garbage threads now.

BOO ON ALL OF YOU!  BOO!

[jack]

20 hours ago, jrs2 said:

Here's the real Justin Trudeau below.  So anything he does just totes a Leftist party line. and has no merit to the logical free world politic.    If you want to reduce gun violence, increase the economic situation in the country.  Create more jobs.  Then way less people are being robbed.  You can rob people with a knife.  You can mug people with a knife.  But you can't fend off an assailant with a gun or knife safely if you don't have a gun.  But they're only worried about disarming legal gun owners, who are voters, not criminals, who get guns thru the black market which cannot be regulated.  So...why even do it and leave legal gun owners defenseless?  

I remember the 80's band Loverboy; Canadian.  They had a song on their album Get Lucky from 1981 called "Gangs in the Street."  They were from Ontario.  Gee, wow.  So the perfect Canada with their perfect society doesn't seem all that perfect after all with their less than perfect economy under their Socialistic state, where you have these unsafe conditions being sung about from a pop band that was known for "Working for the Weekend" and other songs about getting laid; yet the are singing about threats of encountering criminals while going out.    

Democrats and the Left don't want to fix things because if they do, there won't be anyone to rile up and protest in the streets on their behalf.  They deal in false flags and finger pointing; that is the expertise of the Left.  

 

Be careful using American language to describe foreigners. Canadians culturally are not like us and there is nothing wrong with that. Nor are any of the other western countries in the world. They do not have a history of gun rights. 

I was in Montreal having a beer with some guys from Toronto. The discussion turned to their local elections and one of the guys stopped mid sentence and said, "our conservatives are like your socialists". It really put things in perspective. 

[AmIReal]

1 hour ago, HankStrong said:

The real JUST WOW in this thread is that there are now about 15 almost purely political garbage threads now.

BOO ON ALL OF YOU!  BOO!

The people that do the majority of the posting on this forum have made it unbearable. I've gone from checking in a few times a day to maybe weekly.

[JFW657]

2 hours ago, HankStrong said:

The real JUST WOW in this thread is that there are now about 15 almost purely political garbage threads now.

BOO ON ALL OF YOU!  BOO!

I count three. 

All easily avoided I might add.   

54 minutes ago, AmIReal said:

The people that do the majority of the posting on this forum have made it unbearable. I've gone from checking in a few times a day to maybe weekly.

Begs the question: If it's so unbearable, why check in at all?

Politics is a contentious subject.

One should understand and accept that prior to joining and  engaging in any discussion of the subject. 

Personally I would be all for petitioning the admin to lock or delete all of them and institute a no politics rule here.

IMO, it was a bad idea to start these threads to begin with, but some members seem to enjoy stirring pots. 

[jrs2]

17 hours ago, orange87 said:

Why would I care about Malcom X? I don't like him (or hate him) and I'm not a black rights do-gooder white savior liberal so this doesn't apply to me.

If you actually took time to read the data and didn't just half-arse it, you would see that the data I provided, and the data you provided are both correct and are for different things. My number includes gun homicides AND gun suicides. Yours only takes into account for gun homicides and doesn't include gun suicides. By the way, I'm fully expecting you to say gun suicides don't matter to you based on some of the other things you've said on here

Infowars-level drivel, that I think speaks for itself.

Um, last I checked, your comment on the US being Ninth in the world- on this very page above- you never posted a link to any data:

"The U.S. is ninth in the world in gun deaths per capita which is higher than Mexico, Nicaragua and South Africa (to name a few)."

It's ok because I did.

I don't know why you are indifferent to Malcom X.  What he is saying is that Conservatives tell you up front what they're up to, but Liberals are more deceitful about it; he analogizes a wolf and a fox (the fox being sly and being the Liberal).  What's important about this is because when a lot of this urban ghetto stuff started under LBJ in the 1960's, Malcom X called it all out, right down to the Liberal puppets posing as friends to the Black community.  That didn't just exist in 1963 or in 1968, it has been a continuous thing.  And now correlate what I said about the Left with the USSR, the CCP in China, North Korea, Germany- all of those major Socialist regimes in the last hundred years, and what do they all have in common?  Socialism or Leftism.  Throw in Malcom X and you get as assessment that is pretty accurate:  the Left or Liberals will throw do-gooder propaganda at you to get you to do what they want (like gun control, etc) without ever telling you their end game.  Because if they did tell you their end game, you would  immediately throw on a MAGA hat.

If they got their way, we wouldn't be able to even have this discussion on these boards.  Try doing this in today's China.

[AmIReal]

9 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

I count three. 

All easily avoided I might add.   

Begs the question: If it's so unbearable, why check in at all?

Politics is a contentious subject.

One should understand and accept that prior to joining and  engaging in any discussion of the subject. 

Personally I would be all for petitioning the admin to lock or delete all of them and institute a no politics rule here.

IMO, it was a bad idea to start these threads to begin with, but some members seem to enjoy stirring pots. 

I don't see why a "Just Wow" thread should have a political focus.  Also, the political commentary permeates the entire site, not just the political threads. Further, it's not just the political comments, it is also the constant baiting comments of some individuals who, as you say, "enjoy stirring pots". It may be good in certain settings, but does it add to or detract from this forum? 

[jrs2]

15 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

I count three. 

All easily avoided I might add.   

Begs the question: If it's so unbearable, why check in at all?

Politics is a contentious subject.

One should understand and accept that prior to joining and  engaging in any discussion of the subject. 

Personally I would be all for petitioning the admin to lock or delete all of them and institute a no politics rule here.

IMO, it was a bad idea to start these threads to begin with, but some members seem to enjoy stirring pots. 

I actually agreed with almost everything you posted.

And your proposal to petition the admin- Bravo; I already predicted somebody would do it or suggest it...in typical Liberal fashion. Shut it down to mitigate the damage.  So, so predictable. 

Censorship.

8 minutes ago, AmIReal said:

I don't see why a "Just Wow" thread should have a political focus.  Also, the political commentary permeates the entire site, not just the political threads. Further, it's not just the political comments, it is also the constant baiting comments of some individuals who, as you say, "enjoy stirring pots". It may be good in certain settings, but does it add to or detract from this forum? 

I was actually confused about the "Just Wow" thread's intended purpose myself.

Yeah, see @spenser1058because he has even attracted the ire of @JFW657at times, which says a lot,  in the rest of the forum.

But as for these political threads (maybe not this one I really don't know?), it's all fair game; they took it to the point where new posters joined in, which they didn't like.  Now they want to shut it down.  Typical move when you're losing...

[JFW657]

23 minutes ago, AmIReal said:

I don't see why a "Just Wow" thread should have a political focus.  Also, the political commentary permeates the entire site, not just the political threads. Further, it's not just the political comments, it is also the constant baiting comments of some individuals who, as you say, "enjoy stirring pots". It may be good in certain settings, but does it add to or detract from this forum? 

If by "political commentary" you're referring to one member's obsession with a certain local political figure, I'd say yes it does permeate the entire site.

But I'm not sure I'd lump it in with the more hard nosed, left vs right commentary that has blown up here in recent days and which one particular delusional babbling Trump cultist cannot seem to just let die.

But it all definitely detracts from the "forum decorum" we used to enjoy here at UPO.   

[JFW657]

34 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

I actually agreed with almost everything you posted.

And your proposal to petition the admin- Bravo; I already predicted somebody would do it or suggest it...in typical Liberal fashion. Shut it down to mitigate the damage.  So, so predictable. 

Censorship.

I was actually confused about the "Just Wow" thread's intended purpose myself.

Yeah, see @spenser1058because he has even attracted the ire of @JFW657at times, which says a lot,  in the rest of the forum.

But as for these political threads (maybe not this one I really don't know?), it's all fair game; they took it to the point where new posters joined in, which they didn't like.  Now they want to shut it down.  Typical move when you're losing...

What I find endlessly hilarious and sad at the same time, is the idea that any delusional, self aggrandizing, nonsense babbling Trump cultist here or anywhere, would presume or suggest that their rambling right-wing lunatic fringe BS has "damaged" anyone or anything, or that they're somehow winning the argument.

The reality is that it is more on the same level as what you hear coming out of those homeless guys with mental issues arguing with themselves on city street corners.  

Annoying, but easily forgettable. 

[jrs2]

57 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

If by "political commentary" you're referring to one member's obsession with a certain local political figure, I'd say yes it does permeate the entire site.

But I'm not sure I'd lump it in with the more hard nosed, left vs right commentary that has blown up here in recent days and which one particular delusional babbling Trump cultist cannot seem to just let die.

But it all definitely detracts from the "forum decorum" we used to enjoy here at UPO.   

As far as forum decorum goes, you're the one that pushed it right off the cliff with your constant name calling, etc.  So comments coming from you on this subject is simply laughable unless you're admitting to doing a little introspection, which is fine.

I merely make assertions; you resort to name calling, and still do (see this comment).

@spenser1058baits everyone in the regular threads and has been doing it for years.  But your name calling is outright ridiculous.  If you keep persisting in that area, then you get videos of Malcom X  slamming Liberals in return and commentary on "Leftism."  When you show that you actually can be objective and quit name calling, I might consider toning it down.  But I'm actually glad you guys are the way you are; because the public at large sees your buffoonery, and, it gives license to get the truth out about your ideology for all to see.

1 hour ago, JFW657 said:

What I find endlessly hilarious and sad at the same time, is the idea that any delusional, self aggrandizing, nonsense babbling Trump cultist here or anywhere, would presume or suggest that their rambling right-wing lunatic fringe BS has "damaged" anyone or anything, or that they're somehow winning the argument.

The reality is that it is more on the same level as what you hear coming out of those homeless guys with mental issues arguing with themselves on city street corners.  

Annoying, but easily forgettable. 

Leftist Playbook:  keep attacking someone's character in an attempt to delegitimize them.  That's your only move.

[JFW657]

25 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

I merely make assertions; you resort to name calling, and still do (see this comment).

 

25 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

@spenser1058

So now, in Trumper cult world, hurling lies and baseless accusations = merely making assertions.

Right-wing playbook:  keep spouting lie after lie after lie while accusing the other side of everything the right does, then cry innocent victim when they get roughed up a little in return.

And when the right-wing BS gets called what it is, and their own vituperation gets tossed right back at them, the transition from swaggering MAGA tough guys to....

...is instantaneous.  

Cry me a river.