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UCF's got Navy this weekend.  They played Houston tough.  UCF should win.

On a related note, the Late Kick Out crew think Cincy should beat Notre Dame.  If they do, and UCF beats Cincy, that will send shockwaves through the Top 25.

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7 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

UCF's got Navy this weekend.  They played Houston tough.  UCF should win.

On a related note, the Late Kick Out crew think Cincy should beat Notre Dame.  If they do, and UCF beats Cincy, that will send shockwaves through the Top 25.

We’ll have to get the injured guys back for that, especially Bowser. I think Mikey has promise but it’s gonna take a while.

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“Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new team of Floridians, whose program has come of age in this century and is now ranked #2* in the Sunshine State as the ‘Noles and ‘Canes slide deeper into ignominy…”

What JFK WOULD have said this week if he were staying in the Palm Beach manse

* According to both the Sentinel and the N-J. Even the poor cows were ahead of the ‘Noles.

 

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17 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

“Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new team of Floridians, whose program has come of age in this century and is now ranked #2* in the Sunshine State as the ‘Noles and ‘Canes slide deeper into ignominy…”

What JFK WOULD have said this week if he were staying in the Palm Beach manse

* According to both the Sentinel and the N-J. Even the poor cows were ahead of the ‘Noles.

 

yeah, isn't it like so bizarre about FSU?  I mean, when UF had those two dreadful seasons in 2013 and 2017, at least they started the season like 4-0 or 3-1.  UF had started 1986 1-4 and finished 6-5.  Same thing in 2003, where UF was 3-3 and ended up 8-5 or so.

But 0-4... wow.  The psyche of the team must be all but destroyed right now; not great for a second year coach and a program in the red by a lot.

Anyway, UCF is doing good. The Louisville loss was a last second loss on a bad read by the QB.  But I respect Gus for going for the jugular when they got that INT or fumble. 

Regardless of all the junk I've talked earlier in the month, Gus has good presence on the sideline and is a good face man for a program.  Everybody knows who he is and he is a veteran coach of like 12 or so years at a major program and OC at another for another few years.  If he can survive key injuries and avoid them too, UCF can make big waves this season.  

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On 9/29/2021 at 9:16 PM, spenser1058 said:

“Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new team of Floridians, whose program has come of age in this century and is now ranked #2* in the Sunshine State as the ‘Noles and ‘Canes slide deeper into ignominy…”

What JFK WOULD have said this week if he were staying in the Palm Beach manse

* According to both the Sentinel and the N-J. Even the poor cows were ahead of the ‘Noles.

Now I get your post.  Miami lost to UVA; for some reason I thought they had a week off.  Holy cow.  2-3.  Of course, UM fans would say to UCF:  Play Bama, Mich St, and UVA and then come talk to us.

Anyway, once UCF is in Big XII play, those types of slights and jabs will start fading away.

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19 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

Now I get your post.  Miami lost to UVA; for some reason I thought they had a week off.  Holy cow.  2-3.  Of course, UM fans would say to UCF:  Play Bama, Mich St, and UVA and then come talk to us.

Anyway, once UCF is in Big XII play, those types of slights and jabs will start fading away.

Miami is still trying to feast on a reputation from decades ago. We’ve played Bama and Georgia and Auburn and Baylor and Pitt and Stanford and beat all of them. Will the competition get tougher as we continue? Certainly (that’s a major point of moving up), but losing to the Cavs ain’t nuthin’ to preen over. 

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29 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

Miami is still trying to feast on a reputation from decades ago. We’ve played Bama and Georgia and Auburn and Baylor and Pitt and Stanford and beat all of them. Will the competition get tougher as we continue? Certainly, but losing to the Cavs ain’t nuthin’ to preen over. 

Not to get into this yet again, but I'm talking 2021.  Bama is No.1, Michigan St is No.17, and UVA is 3-2 and in the Top 50.   You state that Miami is trying to "feast" on a reputation from decades ago which implies they aren't accomplishing anything in the present.

Well, a reputation based on the past is one thing; I grant you that.  Current accomplishments is something else.  Since you brought it up, let's put UCF on the stand and look at UCF's wins vs the P5, and then their bowl record prior to the UGA win, and then every game vs the P5 since 1996 when they began FBS play: 

UCF's P5 wins:

1. Bama in 2000 was 3-4 when UCF beat them with that last second FG and finished the season 3-8. 

2. The UGA game was the Liberty Bowl in 2010 and it was UCF's first bowl victory in FBS play, they won 10-6, and UGA was 6-7 that year. 

3. Stanford was 4-8 in 2019.

4. The 2019 Pitt Panthers beat UCF.  They were only 8-5.  The 2018 Pitt team UCF beat was a 7-7 team.

5. Auburn was a 3-loss team that was ranked in the Top 10 when they played.  They lost in the SECCG to UGA b/c it was a rematch game and UGA drilled them.  They finished 10-4. 

6. Baylor was the Big XII Champ in that bowl game, but they lost to Okla St in the regular season.  That was probably UCF's best win vs a "good" opponent.

7. You forgot about Penn St in 2013.  They were a 7-5 team.

Bowls (prior to UGA win in 2010):

In 2009, UCF got blown out in the bowl vs Rutgers. 

No bowl in 2008. 

In 2007, they lost the bowl vs Miss St. 

No bowl in 2006. 

In 2005 the lost the bowl vs Nevada (not a P5 team). 

No bowl in 2004.  No bowl in 2003.  No bowl in 2002.  No bowl in 2001.  No bowl in 2000.  No bowl in 1999.  No bowl in 1998.  No bowl in 1997.  No bowl in 1996.  

In those 14 FBS seasons, UCF only qualified for a bowl game 3 times.  They even had a winning record a few of those seasons.  Why did they get shunned by bowl committees?  Well, let's see why:

UCF vs P5 since 1996 (I threw in BYU as well):

1996: So Car, Ga Tech (0-2)

1997: Ole Miss, So Car, Nebraska, Auburn, Miss St.  (0-5)

1998: Purdue, Auburn (0-2)

1999: Purdue, Florida, Ga Tech, UGA, Auburn (0-5)

2000: Ga Tech, Bama, Va Tech (1-2)

2001: Clemson, Syracuse, Va Tech, Arkansas (0-4)

2002: Penn St, Arizona St, Syracuse (0-3)

2003: Va Tech, Syracuse, WVU (0-3)

2004: Wisconsin, WVU, Penn St. (0-3)

2005: SoCar (0-1) (1-30 at this point)

2006: Florida, Pitt (0-2)

2007:  NC State, Texas, Miss St (1-2)

2008: Boston College, Miami (0-2)

2009: Miami, Texas, Rutgers (0-3)

2010: K State, UGA (1-1) (3-40 at this point)

2011: Boston College, BYU (1-1)

2012: TOSU, Mizzou (0-2)

2013: Penn St., So Car, Louisville, Baylor (3-1)

2014:  Penn St., Mizzou, BYU, NC State (1-3)

2015: Stanford, So Car (0-2)

2016: Michigan, Maryland (0-2) (8-52 at this point)

2017: Maryland, Auburn (2-0)* *Ga Tech canceled.  So, in a 13 game season, UCF only played two P5 games; TWO!

2018: Pitt, LSU (1-1)

2019: Stanford, Pitt (1-1)

2020:  Ga Tech, BYU (0-2)

2021: Louisville (0-1) (12-57 as of last week)

CONCLUSION:

Prior to 2017, all-time since 1996 while in the FBS, UCF was 8-52 vs the P5; that's only a  .154 winning percentage. Wow.

Since the Auburn win ending the 2017 season, UCF is 2-5 vs the P5.  Well, I guess .400 winning percentage in 7 games since the 2017 season is better than a .154 winning percentage in 60 games prior to the 2017 season.  

Now let's look at Miami:

Do you know what Miami's winning percentage is vs the FBS during this same time period? 

But first, let's start at the beginning: In 1996 (UCF's first FBS year), Miami was 6-2 vs the P5.  that's already 1/2 of UCF's all-time win total vs the P5 just in one season alone.  Miami went 3-6 vs the P5 in 1997.  Now, they're at 9 wins.  In 1998, Miami was 6-3 vs the P5.  So, in three seasons from 1996 through 1998, Miami was 15-11 vs the P5 and did in just three seasons what UCF still hasn't done, i.e., win 15 games vs the P5 and/or have a winning percentage vs the P5.

That was at the beginning.  Now let's start at the end and go backwards:  In 2021, Miami is 0-3 vs the P5.  In 2020, Miami was 7-3 vs the P5.  In 2019, Miami was 4-5 vs the P5 (that's 11-11 in three seasons).  UCF is nowhere close to being a .500 team vs the P5.  Continuing, in 2018, Miami was 4-6 vs the P5 (15-17 cumulative).  In 2017, Miami was 8-3 vs the P5 (23-20 cumulative).

So,  Miami beginning in 1996 won 12 or more games vs the P5 midway thru the third year.  It took UCF from 1996 through 2019 (24 years) to win it's 12th game vs the P5 out of 69 attempts.

Since and including UCF's glory year of 2017, UCF was 4-5 vs the P5 or .400 and Miami was 23-20 vs the P5 or .535 winning percentage. 

 So, a mediocre Miami team has outperformed what is considered the heyday of UCF football since 2017 vs the P5.  

You attack Miami's present because it is not as impressive as their past, i.e., resting on their laurels, as if to say that UCF's present is better than Miami's.  Seriously? UCF's "sucker punching" of a handful of P5 teams over the past twenty years or so doesn't equate to the bigger accomplishment of Miami beating P5 teams virtually every single year.  You make it sound like if Miami isn't winning national titles, then their wins versus the P5 during the regular season or bowl games don't count, while UCF's few wins versus the same does.

And that 2017 season...UCF only beat two P5 schools.  It's one thing to criticize Clemson for having a weak ACC schedule and then sucker punching Alabama in The Playoff, but at least most of their victories are against P5 schools.  Just look at the data above again...in 2017, Miami played 11 games vs the P5; UCF only played 2, and the Maryland team UCF beat in 2017 was...wait for it...only 4-8.

Ultimate point: After UCF's 2017 season, UCF has posted a .286 winning percentage versus the P5; mediocre Miami has posted a .470 winning percentage versus P5 teams.  Miami has clearly outperformed UCF since the beginning of 2018 by a lot.  And if you include 2017, Miami has a winning record versus the P5, at .535, while UCF's winning percentage versus the P5 is just .444.

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1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

Not to get into this yet again, but I'm talking 2021.  Bama is No.1, Michigan St is No.17, and UVA is 3-2 and in the Top 50.   You state that Miami is trying to "feast" on a reputation from decades ago which implies they aren't accomplishing anything in the present.

Well, a reputation based on the past is one thing; I grant you that.  Current accomplishments is something else.  Since you brought it up, let's put UCF on the stand and look at UCF's wins vs the P5, and then their bowl record prior to the UGA win, and then every game vs the P5 since 1996 when they began FBS play: 

UCF's P5 wins:

1. Bama in 2000 was 3-4 when UCF beat them with that last second FG and finished the season 3-8. 

2. The UGA game was the Liberty Bowl in 2010 and it was UCF's first bowl victory in FBS play, they won 10-6, and UGA was 6-7 that year. 

3. Stanford was 4-8 in 2019.

4. The 2019 Pitt Panthers beat UCF.  They were only 8-5.  The 2018 Pitt team UCF beat was a 7-7 team.

5. Auburn was a 3-loss team that was ranked in the Top 10 when they played.  They lost in the SECCG to UGA b/c it was a rematch game and UGA drilled them.  They finished 10-4. 

6. Baylor was the Big XII Champ in that bowl game, but they lost to Okla St in the regular season.  That was probably UCF's best win vs a "good" opponent.

7. You forgot about Penn St in 2013.  They were a 7-5 team.

Bowls (prior to UGA win in 2010):

In 2009, UCF got blown out in the bowl vs Rutgers. 

No bowl in 2008. 

In 2007, they lost the bowl vs Miss St. 

No bowl in 2006. 

In 2005 the lost the bowl vs Nevada (not a P5 team). 

No bowl in 2004.  No bowl in 2003.  No bowl in 2002.  No bowl in 2001.  No bowl in 2000.  No bowl in 1999.  No bowl in 1998.  No bowl in 1997.  No bowl in 1996.  

In those 14 FBS seasons, UCF only qualified for a bowl game 3 times.  They even had a winning record a few of those seasons.  Why did they get shunned by bowl committees?  Well, let's see why:

UCF vs P5 since 1996 (I threw in BYU as well):

1996: So Car, Ga Tech (0-2)

1997: Ole Miss, So Car, Nebraska, Auburn, Miss St.  (0-5)

1998: Purdue, Auburn (0-2)

1999: Purdue, Florida, Ga Tech, UGA, Auburn (0-5)

2000: Ga Tech, Bama, Va Tech (1-2)

2001: Clemson, Syracuse, Va Tech, Arkansas (0-4)

2002: Penn St, Arizona St, Syracuse (0-3)

2003: Va Tech, Syracuse, WVU (0-3)

2004: Wisconsin, WVU, Penn St. (0-3)

2005: SoCar (0-1) (1-30 at this point)

2006: Florida, Pitt (0-2)

2007:  NC State, Texas, Miss St (1-2)

2008: Boston College, Miami (0-2)

2009: Miami, Texas, Rutgers (0-3)

2010: K State, UGA (1-1) (3-40 at this point)

2011: Boston College, BYU (1-1)

2012: TOSU, Mizzou (0-2)

2013: Penn St., So Car, Louisville, Baylor (3-1)

2014:  Penn St., Mizzou, BYU, NC State (1-3)

2015: Stanford, So Car (0-2)

2016: Michigan, Maryland (0-2) (8-52 at this point)

2017: Maryland, Auburn (2-0)* *Ga Tech canceled.  So, in a 13 game season, UCF only played two P5 games; TWO!

2018: Pitt, LSU (1-1)

2019: Stanford, Pitt (1-1)

2020:  Ga Tech, BYU (0-2)

2021: Louisville (0-1) (12-57 as of last week)

CONCLUSION:

Prior to 2017, all-time since 1996 while in the FBS, UCF was 8-52 vs the P5; that's only a  .154 winning percentage. Wow.

Since the Auburn win ending the 2017 season, UCF is 2-5 vs the P5.  Well, I guess .400 winning percentage in 7 games since the 2017 season is better than a .154 winning percentage in 60 games prior to the 2017 season.  

Now let's look at Miami:

Do you know what Miami's winning percentage is vs the FBS during this same time period? 

But first, let's start at the beginning: In 1996 (UCF's first FBS year), Miami was 6-2 vs the P5.  that's already 1/2 of UCF's all-time win total vs the P5 just in one season alone.  Miami went 3-6 vs the P5 in 1997.  Now, they're at 9 wins.  In 1998, Miami was 6-3 vs the P5.  So, in three seasons from 1996 through 1998, Miami was 15-11 vs the P5 and did in just three seasons what UCF still hasn't done, i.e., win 15 games vs the P5 and/or have a winning percentage vs the P5.

That was at the beginning.  Now let's start at the end and go backwards:  In 2021, Miami is 0-3 vs the P5.  In 2020, Miami was 7-3 vs the P5.  In 2019, Miami was 4-5 vs the P5 (that's 11-11 in three seasons).  UCF is nowhere close to being a .500 team vs the P5.  Continuing, in 2018, Miami was 4-6 vs the P5 (15-17 cumulative).  In 2017, Miami was 8-3 vs the P5 (23-20 cumulative).

So,  Miami beginning in 1996 won 12 or more games vs the P5 midway thru the third year.  It took UCF from 1996 through 2019 (24 years) to win it's 12th game vs the P5 out of 69 attempts.

Since and including UCF's glory year of 2017, UCF was 4-5 vs the P5 or .400 and Miami was 23-20 vs the P5 or .535 winning percentage. 

 So, a mediocre Miami team has outperformed what is considered the heyday of UCF football since 2017 vs the P5.  

You attack Miami's present because it is not as impressive as their past, i.e., resting on their laurels, as if to say that UCF's present is better than Miami's.  Seriously? UCF's "sucker punching" of a handful of P5 teams over the past twenty years or so doesn't equate to the bigger accomplishment of Miami beating P5 teams virtually every single year.  You make it sound like if Miami isn't winning national titles, then their wins versus the P5 during the regular season or bowl games don't count, while UCF's few wins versus the same does.

And that 2017 season...UCF only beat two P5 schools.  It's one thing to criticize Clemson for having a weak ACC schedule and then sucker punching Alabama in The Playoff, but at least most of their victories are against P5 schools.  Just look at the data above again...in 2017, Miami played 11 games vs the P5; UCF only played 2, and the Maryland team UCF beat in 2017 was...wait for it...only 4-8.

Ultimate point: After UCF's 2017 season, UCF has posted a .286 winning percentage versus the P5; mediocre Miami has posted a .470 winning percentage versus P5 teams.  Miami has clearly outperformed UCF since the beginning of 2018 by a lot.  And if you include 2017, Miami has a winning record versus the P5, at .535, while UCF's winning percentage versus the P5 is just .444.

Miami is a juggernaut and UCF should just tell Gus not to bother with “the future of college football”. Maybe if we’d taken 75 years to win a conference championship we would have amounted to something. That’s all cleared up and we’ll have no more to say on the topic.

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On 10/1/2021 at 7:25 PM, spenser1058 said:

Miami is a juggernaut and UCF should just tell Gus not to bother with “the future of college football”. Maybe if we’d taken 75 years to win a conference championship we would have amounted to something. That’s all cleared up and we’ll have no more to say on the topic.

well if you're gonna start talking smack, you need to have facts to back it up.  and if you're going to draw comparisons, make sure they're apples to apples.  Keep it real.

Hype is fine, but you don't mis-portray the facts to elevate what you're hyping. 

If you wanna talk trends, that's fine too but you gotta be sure of your facts about whether or not there is an actual trend to hype up.  Case in point: if UCF was beating every P5 opponent thrown it's way since 2017, then that's a trend.  But that trend doesn't exist because it hasn't happened; rather, UCF is only 2-5 vs the P5 since the Auburn win, and it's not like those are all games it's had against Bama, Clemson, TOSU and OU either.  You beat Pitt and a 4-8 Stanford team and brag about it like it's a big accomplishment.

Yes, those are historically good programs and it is good for team identity and when you look at the record books it will say "Stanford" and people will assume maybe UCF beat a Jim Harbaugh Stanford juggernaut, but that's not the case at all.

be proud of UCF's accomplishments, but  with regard to the 75 years reference, just remember, UCF, today, STILL is the team cashing the checks, not the team stroking the checks.  That's the difference between UF and UCF, and is the difference even if UF loses to P5 and SECE opponent Kentucky on the road.  UF is still stroking those checks and still will.  UF was stroking those checks for decades upon decades before UCF even existed..

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On 10/17/2021 at 4:24 PM, spenser1058 said:

Jags finally win on Matt Wright kicks - CHARGE ON! *Built By UCF* Matt’s cute, smart -engineering degree- and nice *sigh*.

that's a good moniker...'Built By UCF'...like 'Built Ford Tough'

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Apparently, the six schools including FAU will be moving to the American.

This will be an interesting controlled experiment with FAU gaining similar resources to USF. With that parity, we’ll have another test in FAU of the UCF model, which emphasized steady growth and investment in facilities vs. The Cows, who used Miami’s model and relied more on flashy coaching hires with a lot less infrastructure to make a big flash in the pan (#2 in the rankings for 1 week!).

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Woohoo! The Gus Bus is keeping the homies here at home. Seminole High’s Henderson twins said “no, thanks” to the Gators and ‘Canes so they can Charge On! right down the road. Knight Nation’s glad to have y’all with us.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-sp-ucf-football-recruiting-demari-jacari-henderson-seminole-twins-commit-20211025-7ztbr26v5jfbvbfz52qyvbjhd4-story.html

From The Sentinel 
 

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The kids will be alright: in the latest AP poll released yesterday, five members of the new Big XII are in the top 25.

Charge On!

Meanwhile, we should mention that Baylor, who will remain a legacy member of the league, handily took out Texas, who is leaving. You’ll remember UT was, as usual, overhyped in the preseason polls and has ended up going pfffft just like normal.

As the HBC pointed out, Texas can’t even stand out in the Big XII these days. What will they do in the SEC - keep South Carolina company? Steve was right when he pointed out, “you can’t spell Citrus without UT!”

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The CFP’s most recent snub of the G5 shows that they have no intention of ever letting the playoff be anything more than an invitational for the anointed few:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32536899/college-football-playoff-rankings-snub-cincinnati-group-5-simply-unbearable

From ESPN 

It just goes to show DW and UCF were absolutely right in doing what they did after 2017.
 

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It was harden than it should’ve  been (heck, it was just a mess) but our Knights pulled it out 14 - 10 against Tulane and are now bowl-eligible.

Let’s just imagine playing the Vols at the Birmingham Bowl, shall we?

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