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8 hours ago, jrs2 said:

To Aent:  OMG what an essay!  More power to you.

Haha, I hope some people enjoyed it. Thankfully I type like >150 wpm, but it was way too long for me to proof read lmao

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On 2/16/2018 at 7:58 PM, aent said:

Haha, I hope some people enjoyed it. Thankfully I type like >150 wpm, but it was way too long for me to proof read lmao

Omg!  I type, like, 10 wpm.  Yet, somehow, I am still drawn to participate in an online forum that requires typing skills to communicate...

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8 hours ago, jrs2 said:

Omg!  I type, like, 10 wpm.  Yet, somehow, I am still drawn to participate in an online forum that requires typing skills to communicate...

Poor soul! Of course, on my phone I type 10 wpm... if only I was born a few years later I'd probably be great at that too rather then great at T9 :tw_expressionless:

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Its important to realize that the same data can literally bring us to different conclusions. I don't think anyone is disputing the data you brought to the table (I'm surely not). And if history teaches us anything, its that everything has unintended consequences. Its really, really hard to predict what would happen for each change that is made because the world has so many variables. (The obvious urban planning example is that is seems relatively "obvious" the solution to traffic problems is to add additional lanes to get people where they want to go, but as many of us know, that often doesn't work... it creates more trips, discourages mass transit, etc). Hopefully everyone's goal of the interactions here is to learn new things, be open to changing one's mind, and coming up with some creative solutions (and I believe we have had members of this forum be part of the city's team, by part of developer's teams, etc, so we may be making a difference, providing some "free" consulting, in addition to it being entertainment for us (it is for me))

I hope you don't stop posting, because even though I may disagree with you (although I do agree with several of your points as well), you brought a lively discussion, which contributes a lot to the community, and making sure all the pros and cons on this very important issue are discussed. While to you, its a laser-focused issue, to me, its not... I'd LIKE wages to be higher (organically), but I don't want to give up anything we have that causes it to be low, because I do feel that it provides tons of benefits to the people of Orlando. I will say I feel you've changed my priorities a little bit.. previously would have said my top priorities for Orlando is 1) Transportation, 2) Crime and police related issues, 3) Creating more high paying jobs, and you might have convinced me to reverse me 2 and 3. You also made me consider my metric for success on that #3, which I now must say I feel should be Year Over Year growth of high paying jobs, and not looking at the percentage or median salary because of the unique situation here in Orlando.

The federal minimum wage has been raised 22 times since 1938, and your three examples of what typically happens doesn't correlate with reality, only your perception of it.

 

Please forgive me, as writing an essay explaining this phenomenon sounds like a horrible use of my time.

 

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Thanks, @aent, for your thorough response. Not being a business owner and not having worked in the tourist sector, I appreciate your perspective.

In terms of a minimum wage increase, I could post a slew or articles pointing out the pros or countries where it's working well—but, like you said, you could probably find plenty of data highlighting the cons, so I'll leave it at that. I will say, however, that as cool as the perks of working at Disney sound, I imagine it's pretty hard to pay for college or save for retirement using guest passes.

At the end of the day, all these companies' profits are going somewhere while a big portion of workers is struggling.

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Going back to the earlier topic of affordable housing, the latest Central Florida 100 had some harsh things to say about how Tallahassee is handling Florida's affordable housing fund: "End money grab that crimps affordable housing".  

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I'm just confused.  I love railing on Dale's pro-Appalachia/anti-Orlando rants, but now he's going toe-to-toe with Ray Bolger Esquire.

 

I don't know who to root for!!!!

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10 hours ago, alex said:

Thanks, @aent, for your thorough response. Not being a business owner and not having worked in the tourist sector, I appreciate your perspective.

In terms of a minimum wage increase, I could post a slew or articles pointing out the pros or countries where it's working well—but, like you said, you could probably find plenty of data highlighting the cons, so I'll leave it at that. I will say, however, that as cool as the perks of working at Disney sound, I imagine it's pretty hard to pay for college or save for retirement using guest passes.

At the end of the day, all these companies' profits are going somewhere while a big portion of workers is struggling.

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Going back to the earlier topic of affordable housing, the latest Central Florida 100 had some harsh things to say about how Tallahassee is handling Florida's affordable housing fund: "End money grab that crimps affordable housing".  

Thanks, I'm well aware one simple essay on a forum isn't going to convince anyone to drastically change their views, just to put some different perspectives out their. And to be clear, I was generally talking about drastic increases in minimum wage (several dollars an hour). I personally don't have any minimum wage workers, even though I have a number of lower-waged workers... no offense to anyone, but if anyone is stuck at minimum wage for more than a couple months, you are either doing something wrong or have something wrong with you or you need to go and find something else. These jobs are never going to be sending people to college, and we're expected to work our way up in life to save for retirement... In-state Florida residents can get their Bright Futures scholarship (and combine it with others) which makes college for those who qualify dirt cheap. Thats what I did at UCF, and anyone with good grades gets it.

One other point I will make is I've offered numerous people working at Disney a couple dollar an hour increase to come work for me, and nearly all want drastic increases to leave those benefits behind. I just know a LOT of Disney workers, and THEY don't seem to believe they're struggling for the most part. They're happy working there.

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The trope I always laugh at is the "rise in productivity means a rise in wages." Those different conclusions drawn from the same data normally come from a cognitive disconnect from established reality. Say it loud, say it often, you can change the reality of people who don't do math well or read much....  

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