Orlando Extended Metro Developments (Volusia/Brevard/East Polk)

[jrs2]

On 11/20/2019 at 6:07 AM, spenser1058 said:

Will Daytona expand the Riverfront Master Plan?

https://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20191120/downtown-daytona-plans-will-be-focus-of-commission-meeting

From the News- Journal 

they have a knack for doing things that don't necessarily translate to bringing in more patrons to local businesses...unfortunately.

[spenser1058]

5 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

they have a knack for doing things that don't necessarily translate to bringing in more patrons to local businesses...unfortunately.

Good point.

[jrs2]

On 11/21/2019 at 3:33 PM, spenser1058 said:

Good point.

I was told that the corner of Peninsula and 92 was prime real estate.  Yeah, it SHOULD be, but if nobody is interested in developing there then it will remain a cesspool.  What is the City doing to help with that, a possible traffic circle proposal?  That stretch to A1A is a ghost town.

[spenser1058]

It just feels like the entire power structure of Daytona has written off the peninsula for whatever reason. 

Whenever we hear of new projects on the beachside, it’s from outside (often foreign) developers. The exception was the fellow who redid the Streamline who was supposedly all in on refurbishing the blocks around it. There has been almost no movement on it, however, since the refurbishment of the hotel.

Downtown and Ridgewood Ave. are getting attention because the Brown family doesn’t want it’s new HQ surrounded by dreck but they have a very narrow focus.

Other than that, it’s just whatever sprawl can be created. One assumes that is because of the land that was controlled by Consolidated-Tamoka. 

The peninsula is messier because they don’t control it so they just pretend as if it isn’t there. No wonder the reactionary Sons of the Beach feel like red-headed stepchildren.

It’s amazing how differently the activists in Miami Beach were able to partner with prominent families in that city to save it.

We see something similar in NSB and DeLand - those who had stakes in those cities worked to preserve the traditional areas and let the developers sprawl to their hearts’ content. Both sides seem to have gotten what they wanted (irregardless of the environmentalist issues). In Daytona, for whatever reason, that hasn’t happened.

 

[jrs2]

1 hour ago, spenser1058 said:

It just feels like the entire power structure of Daytona has written off the peninsula for whatever reason. 

Whenever we hear of new projects on the beachside, it’s from outside (often foreign) developers. The exception was the fellow who redid the Streamline who was supposedly all in on refurbishing the blocks around it. There has been almost no movement on it, however, since the refurbishment of the hotel.

Downtown and Ridgewood Ave. are getting attention because the Brown family doesn’t want it’s new HQ surrounded by dreck but they have a very narrow focus.

Other than that, it’s just whatever sprawl can be created. One assumes that is because of the land that was controlled by Consolidated-Tamoka. 

The peninsula is messier because they don’t control it so they just pretend as if it isn’t there. No wonder the reactionary Sons of the Beach feel like red-headed stepchildren.

It’s amazing how differently the activists in Miami Beach were able to partner with prominent families in that city to save it.

We see something similar in NSB and DeLand - those who had stakes in those cities worked to preserve the traditional areas and let the developers sprawl to their hearts’ content. Both sides seem to have gotten what they wanted (irregardless of the environmentalist issues). In Daytona, for whatever reason, that hasn’t happened.

 

...and the France mansion was on the peninsula just off of Peninsula south of Silver Beach to boot!

the Russians made a deal with the City (I'm sure) for that project.  they also are partners in a two story bar further north on A1A.  not sure how many businesses they have a stake in.

The City was supposed to do a traffic circle at A1A but they may have scrapped that project.  

They should've had laws in place to prohibit the demolition of  a beachfront motel unless the developer could guarantee construction.

[spenser1058]

It was certainly never as iconic as Billy’s Tap Room On Granada in Ormond Beach, but Julian’s Dining Room & Bar On A1A had been around forever. 

So, news it’s being demolished for another beachwear shop is sad.

https://www.hometownnewsvolusia.com/business/iconic-restaurant-set-for-demolition/article_409579fe-0642-11ea-b310-73e8a7b62d57.html

From Hometown News Volusia 

[jrs2]

10 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

It was certainly never as iconic as Billy’s Tap Room On Granada in Ormond Beach, but Julian’s Dining Room & Bar On A1A had been around forever. 

So, news it’s being demolished for another beachwear shop is sad.

https://www.hometownnewsvolusia.com/business/iconic-restaurant-set-for-demolition/article_409579fe-0642-11ea-b310-73e8a7b62d57.html

From Hometown News Volusia 

Julian's.  wow.  when I was a kid, my Jewish friends' parents would eat there...  Man the demographic in the area sure has changed over the years...

[spenser1058]

The Brevard County TDT has hit a new record for the fiscal year which ended September 30.

Assumedly, the resurgent of launches from the Cape has played a role. It’s especially interesting given that Volusia County’s tourism industry, particularly in the Daytona area, has been going through a meh stretch of late.

 https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2019/11/27/tourist-tax-collection-sets-record-outlook-looks-positive-2020/4305760002/

From Florida Today

[jrs2]

[orange87]

Progress on the high-end apartment complex near the DeBary Sunrail Station.

Here's the website for the complex: http://289exchange.com

Edited December 11, 2019 by orange87

[AmIReal]

1 hour ago, orange87 said:

Progress on the high-end apartment complex near the DeBary Sunrail Station.

it just oozes "high end"...

[orange87]

4 minutes ago, AmIReal said:

it just oozes "high end"...

The website calls them "luxury apartments." They have a saltwater pool dammit.

[AmIReal]

12 hours ago, orange87 said:

They have a saltwater pool dammit.

In West Volusia that may get stocked with bass.

Edited December 12, 2019 by AmIReal

[AmIReal]

There is a large, new project being discussed in downtown Daytona. In short, "“You have a 100-year property owner ready to re-phase this whole block,”... meaning some of the quaint little buildings along Beach Street may be gone. 

However the attorney for the project "said people shouldn’t take the renderings too literally"... and “Some of this is not fully cooked yet,”  and if that sounds too reassuring "He said there is no developer on board yet for the block’s future ventures"...

The article also discusses the Brown HQ, the Consolidated development (which would be adjacent to this new project) and the Beach Street and Park plan.

https://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20191219/daytonarsquos-downtown-has-another-major-development-brewing

Meanwhile, out along I95 at LPGA Buc-ee's has begun site work. Surprisingly not expected to be complete until mid- 21...?  Wawa might build 10 stores around them in that time period.

https://www.news-journalonline.com/business/20191219/site-work-underway-for-daytonarsquos-super-sized-buc-eersquos

 

 

[jrs2]

[jrs2]

5 hours ago, AmIReal said:

There is a large, new project being discussed in downtown Daytona. In short, "“You have a 100-year property owner ready to re-phase this whole block,”... meaning some of the quaint little buildings along Beach Street may be gone. 

However the attorney for the project "said people shouldn’t take the renderings too literally"... and “Some of this is not fully cooked yet,”  and if that sounds too reassuring "He said there is no developer on board yet for the block’s future ventures"...

The article also discusses the Brown HQ, the Consolidated development (which would be adjacent to this new project) and the Beach Street and Park plan.

https://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20191219/daytonarsquos-downtown-has-another-major-development-brewing

Meanwhile, out along I95 at LPGA Buc-ee's has begun site work. Surprisingly not expected to be complete until mid- 21...?  Wawa might build 10 stores around them in that time period.

https://www.news-journalonline.com/business/20191219/site-work-underway-for-daytonarsquos-super-sized-buc-eersquos

 

 

yeah...I don't know about tearing down old buildings along Beach St...

[codypet]

16 hours ago, AmIReal said:

Meanwhile, out along I95 at LPGA Buc-ee's has begun site work. Surprisingly not expected to be complete until mid- 21...?  Wawa might build 10 stores around them in that time period.

https://www.news-journalonline.com/business/20191219/site-work-underway-for-daytonarsquos-super-sized-buc-eersquos

 

 

As someone who grew up in Eastern PA

[jrs2]

On 12/19/2019 at 3:33 PM, AmIReal said:

There is a large, new project being discussed in downtown Daytona. In short, "“You have a 100-year property owner ready to re-phase this whole block,”... meaning some of the quaint little buildings along Beach Street may be gone. 

However the attorney for the project "said people shouldn’t take the renderings too literally"... and “Some of this is not fully cooked yet,”  and if that sounds too reassuring "He said there is no developer on board yet for the block’s future ventures"...

The article also discusses the Brown HQ, the Consolidated development (which would be adjacent to this new project) and the Beach Street and Park plan.

https://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20191219/daytonarsquos-downtown-has-another-major-development-brewing

Meanwhile, out along I95 at LPGA Buc-ee's has begun site work. Surprisingly not expected to be complete until mid- 21...?  Wawa might build 10 stores around them in that time period.

https://www.news-journalonline.com/business/20191219/site-work-underway-for-daytonarsquos-super-sized-buc-eersquos

 

 

LOL.  They did a groundbreaking with the Governor.  Can you imagine Desantis, thinking like, “damn, Scott got to do a groundbreaking for defense industry and cruise industry projects and I get left with ...a big gas station.”

[orange87]

DeBary’s first traditional design community planned

Article: https://www.beacononlinenews.com/business/debary-s-first-traditional-design-community-planned/article_49d65618-2371-11ea-8a82-6fa7d7c92296.html

[codypet]

I recall Rick Scott being at the first Florida Wawa opening. 

[spenser1058]

Brevard’s Patrick AFB and Cape Canaveral AFS are part of the new Space Force and the names of the bases may be adjusted as a result:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/space/os-bz-space-force-patrick-air-force-base-20191224-6vhyfvcbjjaxpcn5wku4lgsvau-story.html

From the Sentinel 

[spenser1058]

Merry Christmas from Cypress Gardens!

https://twitter.com/flmemory/status/1209821093223006209?s=21

 

[spenser1058]

As we ponder the destruction of one of the most wonderful parts of Daytona (think of the decision Miami Beach made when faced with a similar situation, even though much of the Deco  district was in worse shape than Beach St. at the time) , it’s fun to play “six degrees of separation” - Florida history style.

When the Burgoyne estate was torn down to create the Beach St. we know today (and creating totally unique coquina rock buildings - if you’ve never been to Daytona’s post office, stop in soon - it’s amazing), it was purchased by Jax’ William R. Lovett, who owned Lovett’s Markets in addition to running the Jax shipyards. In the ‘40’s, he sold the grocery stores to the Davis family which led them to move their chain to Jacksonville and would become Winn-Dixie.

https://www.news-journalonline.com/opinion/20191226/mark-lane-site-of-the-castle-gets-ready-next-transformation

From the News-Journal

Edited December 26, 2019 by spenser1058

[spenser1058]

It’s amazing that Daytona’s City Hall managed to figure out and step up for the needs of local downtown businesses as they face a major impact, but here we are.

The city’s over the top efforts on Beach St. contrast with Mayor Buddy’s and Thomas Chatmon’s “not our job” response to Hamburger Mary’s, one of the most successful downtown businesses of the last couple of decades.

Fascinating.

https://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20191229/beach-street-businesses-will-get-city-help

From the News-Journal 

Bottom Line: someone in local government cared about someone other than the big corporations. It’s something missing under the Dome for a while now.

Edited December 30, 2019 by spenser1058

[AmIReal]

29 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

It’s amazing that Daytona’s City Hall managed to figure out and step up for the needs of local downtown businesses as they face a major impact, but here we are.

The city’s over the top efforts on Beach St. contrast with Mayor Buddy’s and Thomas Chatmon’s “not our job” response to Hamburger Mary’s, one of the most successful downtown businesses of the last couple of decades.

Fascinating.

https://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20191229/beach-street-businesses-will-get-city-help

From the News-Journal 

Bottom Line: someone in local government cared about someone other than the big corporations. It’s something missing under the Dome for a while now.

apples to oranges. Beach St business owners were in revolt and the big plans the City held for the upgrades were under serious attack. As it is, the plan is not viewed favorably by the locals.

Do you actually know any of the details related to the Mary's issue other than what you've read quoted by the owner of the restaurant?  It is a landlord/ tenant issue. The Daytona project is a City/ landlord/ owner issue... huge difference.