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I4 - Beyond the Ultimate [Pre-construction]

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If you drive WB on 408, you can actually see the EB I-4 to 408 ramps coming into the straddle on the south side of the highway.  Its pretty drastic looking and its just the beams right now.   Its gonna look like a pipe full of water once cars start coming around it.

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17 minutes ago, HankStrong said:

Isn't all this stuff about the 1st phase Ultimate I-4?

This thread was Beyond the Ultimate (for the attractions area) which was why I created a separate thread for Central FL Roads and Highways but it seems the masses prefer to combine the two...

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Seems to ruin the impact of the skyline from this drive-up. I always found it nice to see the cluster with Suntrust in full view. Suntrust almost looks smaller than before with the width of this one. 

Definitely nice to see this lot utilized for more than just a lot, and nice to see another hotel downtown. The massing seems to have not hit the mark though (the irregular shape of the lot may be to blame).

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Afterthought: if their plan is indeed to tear down the ballroom for a phase 2 development (which I don’t necessarily support) perhaps it would have been better to combine that plan and create a development that had a two tower design (albeit slimmer) for the lot.

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27 minutes ago, prahaboheme said:

Afterthought: if their plan is indeed to tear down the ballroom for a phase 2 development (which I don’t necessarily support) perhaps it would have been better to combine that plan and create a development that had a two tower design (albeit slimmer) for the lot.

Every day when I go by there, I look at the exterior of the ballroom and it’s looking shabby (so does the back of the Cheyenne but it’s somewhat protected).

Perhaps they’re just waiting for construction to finish but if they don’t do some exterior work after CSP is done, I think it’s safe to say the ballroom may not be long for this world. Since it’s not historic, it may be bulldozed at will.

 

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3 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

Every day when I go by there, I look at the exterior of the ballroom and it’s looking shabby (so does the back of the Cheyenne but it’s somewhat protected).

Perhaps they’re just waiting for construction to finish but if they don’t do some exterior work after CSP is done, I think it’s safe to say the ballroom may not be long for this world. Since it’s not historic, it may be bulldozed at will.

 

I’m more concerned at this point about the preservation of the Cheyenne (and always ways). 

This development so far is going into the “weird” category and im more concerned to how they can impact the ambiance of Church Street than the ballroom. That being said, the ballroom has its own “unique” history.

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On 4/6/2019 at 3:58 PM, prahaboheme said:

Sadly, it was probably the best use of the space to-date.

how do we go from being the Boy Band capital of the world and home to a Club Paris to...nothing...so quickly?  I know the Pearlman story and all that, but, damn...  we were getting on the map then they titled the map board and our chess pieces fell off into oblivion.  Nick Studios was getting ready to move to NYC around that time as well.  Hard Rock's HQ left recently as well...

what happened? (rhetorical)

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5 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

how do we go from being the Boy Band capital of the world and home to a Club Paris to...nothing...so quickly?  I know the Pearlman story and all that, but, damn...  we were getting on the map then they titled the map board and our chess pieces fell off into oblivion.  Nick Studios was getting ready to move to NYC around that time as well.  Hard Rock's HQ left recently as well...

what happened? (rhetorical)

The boy bands could be much easier produced in LA (perhaps not coincidentally, the center of the porn industry).

Hollywood East was doomed almost from the beginning because we didn’t have the depth of the various crafts, financial resources and all the things developed in LA over 70 years of the movie business. Neither Disney nor Universal were willing to make those investments here.

As a satellite, we were doomed by the huge subsidies places like Georgia and Toronto were willing to make for location shoots. Tallahassee was rarely willing to provide that.

As a result, we were pretty much doomed from the get go no matter how hard Ed Prizer at Orlando Magazine led the cheerleading of the idea.

 

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On 4/10/2019 at 12:54 PM, spenser1058 said:

The boy bands could be much easier produced in LA (perhaps not coincidentally, the center of the porn industry).

Hollywood East was doomed almost from the beginning because we didn’t have the depth of the various crafts, financial resources and all the things developed in LA over 70 years of the movie business. Neither Disney nor Universal were willing to make those investments here.

As a satellite, we were doomed by the huge subsidies places like Georgia and Toronto were willing to make for location shoots. Tallahassee was rarely willing to provide that.

As a result, we were pretty much doomed from the get go no matter how hard Ed Prizer at Orlando Magazine led the cheerleading of the idea.

 

the boy bands and the porn industry connection!  brilliantly awesome!!! LMAO!

you weren't serious, were you?  LOL.  still too funny!

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35 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

the boy bands and the porn industry connection!  brilliantly awesome!!! LMAO!

you weren't serious, were you?  LOL.  still too funny!

They both sell sex - the porn industry blatantly so (supposedly to adults -although if you check browsing history for teenagers you’ll find otherwise), the boy bands a little less (check out the crazed pre-pubescent crowds of any teeny-bopper star from Sinatra onward if you think differently).

Further, the scandals going on with Pearlman and others along the way? Thankfully, I never was boy toy material but there was a lot going on locally (and in Nashville when. I lived there) that I was aware of coming of age in the ‘70’s and early ‘80’s that was blatant exploitation and worse. 

Just as tobacco companies and breweries made ads with barely legal adults and cartoon characters (remember Spuds McKenzie and Joe Camel?) to target kids, so did the record producers. It wasn’t a secret but it made money so it was OK, right? I’d like to believe things have gotten better since then but I suspect that’s wishful thinking. Hopefully, in the #metoo era all genders may finally be protected.

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What?!?! You mean to tell me Britney Spears was not famous for her talent when I was in high school?  I'm shocked! Shocked!

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On 4/10/2019 at 12:54 PM, spenser1058 said:

Hollywood East was doomed almost from the beginning because we didn’t have the depth of the various crafts, financial resources and all the things developed in LA over 70 years of the movie business. Neither Disney nor Universal were willing to make those investments here.

As a satellite, we were doomed by the huge subsidies places like Georgia and Toronto were willing to make for location shoots. Tallahassee was rarely willing to provide that.

Florida did, for awhile, give a lot of tax breaks and other financial incentives to the motion picture industry and we were getting a good bit of that business as well as other parts of the entertainment industry it attracted. But then, because Rick whatsizface (Governor Skeletor) and his cronies in the legislature didn't like the idea of those entertainment industry lib'rul types plying their anti-conservative values in our state, because it didn't jibe with their vision of Florida as a red state bastion of God-fearin', gun-totin', Republican-votin' straight-shooters, they put an end to those tax breaks and chased a very lucrative industry that was providing a lot of high paying jobs, both directly and indirectly via the ripple effect, out of our state and straight up to Georgia and other neighboring states, who welcomed them with open arms and plenty of incentives, and are now reaping the economic benefits the morons who run this state felt they were too good for. But listen to them talk, and they'll tell you all about how great they've been for Florida. 

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2 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

Hey, Rick got us lots of Wawas!

If he did, he or some cronies must have some kind of personal financial ties to them.

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