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Paramount Tower, 65-68 stories, approx. 750', 200 units, $240 million, Church Street Park

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I agree with the need for civility and "staying on topic" within threads, but you have to admit, the Paramount thread is a bit of an outlier.    It's not just about a tower.      The discussion on all 25 pages of this thread has been a big jumble of issues dealing with the proposed land swap, the role of government in steering development,  incentives to private developers, how elected officials are reacting, the need for urban parks, homelessness, affordable housing and zoning.    There are as many thoughts on these issues as there are posters on this board.      

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Fear not fellow posters, the comments were not deleted.  They have been moved to the coffee house and I re-named the thread "Zoning and Affordable Housing".  I actually found an interesting article about the relationship between zoning and the cost of raising young families that I linked in that thread.  Even the "news feed purists" might like that article.

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I want to take the time to respond to the posts where I was quoted; however, I don't want to derail this thread anymore than I have. Some poor soul is getting tricked into thinking all of these posts are directly related to the development of this tower. 

We can resume in the coffee house, if y'all want. As always, thanks for the dialogue and for providing a different view or opinion. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, PHofKS said:

A diagram by yours truly of the Paramount..

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That's the best depiction of Paramount I've seen so far. And you're damn amazing with the shading on your renderings. 

So now that we have lots of images, what do folks here think of the design?

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19 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

That's the best depiction of Paramount I've seen so far. And you're damn amazing with the shading on your renderings. 

So now that we have lots of images, what do folks here think of the design?

I would be the actual tower will keep the top and bottom look, but the mid section will look just like 505 CST (no angles). 

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33 minutes ago, arkitekte said:

We can resume in the coffee house, if y'all want. As always, thanks for the dialogue and for providing a different view or opinion. 

We're waiting for you in the coffee house, friend.  Hurry up and get in here, my coffee is getting cold  :tw_grin:

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1 hour ago, MLBrumby said:

That's the best depiction of Paramount I've seen so far. And you're damn amazing with the shading on your renderings. 

So now that we have lots of images, what do folks here think of the design?

Earth shattering? No. A good addition to our skyline? Yes.

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2 hours ago, MLBrumby said:

That's the best depiction of Paramount I've seen so far. And you're damn amazing with the shading on your renderings. 

So now that we have lots of images, what do folks here think of the design?

Cool little design at street level, which will be interesting.  Height is great.  Angled indentions are a nice touch and could be stunning...or could be barely noticeable (will have to wait and see the end result).  Straight up rectangle is very boring.

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3 hours ago, Buildtall said:

I have very limited time at night to read through everything on here. I’m away from home every day on average of 14 to 15 hours with no time to look at UP while at work. I have at most 2 hours to try and read Through everything before bed. So I like it when everything stays on topic. I’m sorry if some of you don’t like that but for me it gives me time to catch up every night when there’s not a lot of extra nonsense to have look through.  ✌️

 

10 hours ago, Craiger said:

That's exactly what the coffee house area is for. You can be people while these threads stay on topic. That conversation had strayed completely away from the proposed tower. It was a discussion about zoning laws at a high level. Go create a Zoning Law topic in Coffee House and have a blast while I use this thread to learn about updates regarding the Paramount Tower. 

 

If Coffee House is where conversations go to die, that's probably because most people aren't interested in the conversation. They just want to come here and learn about Nashville development. 

 

 

Thank you for your responses.  I respect you both immensely for offering up an answer, and I completely respect and appreciate the fact that you use this site primarily as a quick source for news.  I totally get that.  I think we all treasure that aspect of the UP experience.  However, others also enjoy using this message board for what internet message boards were intended for, which is as a public forum for discussion, and this is where my confusion comes in.  I simply don't understand how those discussions are hindering your ability to get your news, especially when there is no new news to be reported on a given subject.  Neither party is using the forum incorrectly in my mind, but only one party is trying to stifle the other party's preferred usage method.  If you're annoyed by the five extra seconds of scrolling you might have to do from time to time, I can only imagine how you'd respond if others were attempting to keep you from sharing news altogether or trying to force all news into a sub-forum.  Well, now you might understand my frustrations.  I'm sorry your schedule is so tight and your time so limited that the presence of a few extra posts is enough to cause a strain, but in my opinion that still isn't a justification for wanting to ban any and all supplementary discussions.  All I'm saying is that we could all, myself included, stand to be a bit more mindful of why we are all here.  That's my two cents and that's the last I'll say on the matter.   Cheers lads, and all the best.  

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For those of you who want a quicker and more focused Urban Planet experience, why not just follow Smeagol's and Mark's feeds directly and skip the project pages entirely?  I guarantee there isn't a single major announcement that you're going to miss.  Also, this strategy could not only save you time, but has the added benefit of allowing you to address the issue by changing your own behavior instead of requesting that other people change their behavior to suit your preferences, which tends to be less effective.

As Vrtigo said, different people come here for different reasons and everyone is going to have a different opinion about what qualifies as on or off topic in any given instance.  That's why we have moderators who've typically been around for awhile and get to make those judgement calls. 

If any of y'all want to become moderators and further limit the parameters of the conversations in the project page threads, so be it.  But if your goal here is to simply lobby the current moderators to tighten the reins on these threads, why not do so in the form of private messages directly to the moderators in the future, since - unlike zoning discussions - meta arguments about forum tangent policy are unquestionably off topic, which seems counterproductive if the goal is to be more considerate of those who have limited time and don't want to waste any of it scrolling past posts unrelated to Nashville development.  

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Most of the time you can just follow Mark as I get the info to William that I have, and he puts it in news from and then we ask Mark to post it. I put info on the map. There are surprises on there all the time. Most of the time they dont have titles other than a numbered polygon. All I ask is you dont put it on the board.

If it is something major, then it may go on a little before but not much, but there are a few things that linger there. I do have knowledge of a few projects that only a few folks know about and they may or may not be on the board. Lips are sealed on those.

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@ruraljuror That is a phenomenal suggestion.  I had completely forgotten about the follow feature, so thank you for bringing it to our attention.  Also, to be fair, I was the one who brought us down this road this time, so I take full responsibility for the thread being where it is currently.  However, I only did that because I thought this should be hashed out for once and for all and wanted input from all sides.  Something tells me we will still have people complaining, but so be it. 

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4 hours ago, BnaBreaker said:

@ruraljuror That is a phenomenal suggestion.  I had completely forgotten about the follow feature, so thank you for bringing it to our attention.  Also, to be fair, I was the one who brought us down this road this time, so I take full responsibility for the thread being where it is currently.  However, I only did that because I thought this should be hashed out for once and for all and wanted input from all sides.  Something tells me we will still have people complaining, but so be it. 

Only thing I take issue with are political p***ing matches and flame baiting troll posts.  The rest...go for it.

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2 hours ago, titanhog said:

Only thing I take issue with are political p***ing matches and flame baiting troll posts.  The rest...go for it.

I'd say that's a pretty reasonable stance.  Like I said, I'm not saying people should just be able to talk about absolutely anything in any way for any length of time in any thread... obviously where the line should be drawn is subjective... but I think when one is complaining about zoning of all things being discussed on a city planning message board, they might want to loosen up on the reins a bit a bit. haha

Anyway, sorry folks... I got what I wanted out of that exchange, thank you for indulging me.  Now we can go back to our regularly scheduled programming.  

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Yes I do get on here to get the news but I do it religiously. I’ve been looking at UP for about 7 or 8 years. Very seldom does a day go by that I don’t get on here to catch up even on vacation I’m on here every night.  My job has me in different parts of the city and county every day so I see a lot and try to snap picture to post when I get a chance. One of the things I like is when pictures get posted of the areas I haven’t  been In lately. It’s nice to see what I’m missing.

I’m really looking forward to seeing this one rise ( finger crossed ). I’m not that crazy about the design as much as I am for the height, but If this is going to be all glass how about a colored glass that we don’t have like maybe Copper or maybe a yellow or even red. 

Orange and white checker board glasss pattern would would look nice too with a big orange T on top for tony of course. 

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1 hour ago, Buildtall said:

Orange and white checker board glasss pattern would would look nice too with a big orange T on top for tony of course. 

I suppose this kind of design would be a perfect representation of “didn’t live up to expectations.” Maybe they can call it the “5-7 Tower”? Dooley-Jones Plaza? ;):rofl:

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3 hours ago, Buildtall said:

Yes I do get on here to get the news but I do it religiously. I’ve been looking at UP for about 7 or 8 years. Very seldom does a day go by that I don’t get on here to catch up even on vacation I’m on here every night.  My job has me in different parts of the city and county every day so I see a lot and try to snap picture to post when I get a chance. One of the things I like is when pictures get posted of the areas I haven’t  been In lately. It’s nice to see what I’m missing.

I’m really looking forward to seeing this one rise ( finger crossed ). I’m not that crazy about the design as much as I am for the height, but If this is going to be all glass how about a colored glass that we don’t have like maybe Copper or maybe a yellow or even red. 

Orange and white checker board glasss pattern would would look nice too with a big orange T on top for tony of course. 

Agreed!  It is very rare that I actually get to see most of these construction sites with my own two eyes, so I am VERY appreciative when fine folks such as yourself snap pictures to share!  So thank you for that as well!

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3 hours ago, markhollin said:

Another article showing both sides of the Church Street Park/Paramount Tower debate:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2019/02/11/nashville-church-street-park-downtown-homeless-tony-giarratana/2711899002/

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Yeah, putting tables out there will really change that park for the better. Homeless people wouldn't dare sit at tables intended for dinning. 

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Let's keep this park in historical perspective:  Metro paid $1 million to acquire the land, and they also demolished existing buildings there to build this park.  So that was mistake # 2.  They should have left the land in private hands.  Supposedly the purpose of the park was to "revitalize Church Street".  Yeah... how's that working out?  As it exists today, the park doesn't convey a sense of revitalization in my opinion, but rather it creates an atmosphere of urban decay.

Why do I say the park was mistake # 2?  Because Church Street Center was mistake # 1.

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