Brevard @ 4th St - Moxy Hotel - 20 Story - 226ft tower

[RANYC]

Construction fencing is up at the site of the soon to be constructed Moxy.  I swear, every time a surface parking lot gets fenced off for conversion to some vertical structure, an angel gets its wings.

Is there no way to just remodel the existing bus station, maybe brick it up with windows and more natural lighting?  All this burying talk just feels like a lot of over-engineering a solution for folks just needing safe reliable rides and ease of transfer.  I suspect uptown can still thrive if CTC is merely remodeled instead of buried, and if the training facility occupies the gravel surface lot on other side of Caldwell.

Edited October 24, 2022 by RANYC

[Matthew.Brendan]

The CTC needs to be dis-aggregated to smaller cluster nodes around Mecklenburg and run higher frequencies between those nodes. The fact that that (the city? cats?) leadership dreamt up this absolutely ridiculous "solution" of burying the CTC in place demonstrates how utterly out of touch they are with the inefficiencies and outright failings of the transit model as it exists today. Literally nothing will change, just now the buses are underground? I mean honestly it blows my mind that this is even being seriously considered as some sort of solution? What does it solve? At what cost?

[JRCLT]

Construction fencing is up at the site of the soon to be constructed Moxy.  I swear, every time a surface parking lot gets fenced off for conversion to some vertical structure, an angel gets its wings.
Is there no way to just remodel the existing bus station, maybe brick it up with windows and more natural lighting?  All this burying talk just feels like a lot of over-engineering a solution.  Folks just need to hitch a ride and do safely, not the Taj Mahal of bus stations.  

Burying isn’t the only option they propose. The way to make it safer is to restrict access points and rebuild the structure with more open to more light. Can’t just brick it up and fix the issue. CTC isn’t just a bus station it’s also where the there’s a transfer point between bus and rail. Although I would say it would be perhaps more suited wherever the silver and blue line meet but even the silver line is in contention.

[RANYC]

12 hours ago, JeanClt said:

Burying isn’t the only option they propose. The way to make it safer is to restrict access points and rebuild the structure with more open to more light. Can’t just brick it up and fix the issue. CTC isn’t just a bus station it’s also where the there’s a transfer point between bus and rail. Although I would say it would be perhaps more suited wherever the silver and blue line meet but even the silver line is in contention.

Never meant to suggest that bricks are the sole means of reforming CATS, but I imagine there’s a way to aesthetically modernize and reduce access points, without the expense of what’s been proposed, especially given the growing school of thought that the CTC should de-hubbed.

Edited October 23, 2022 by RANYC

[Reverie39]

On 10/22/2022 at 8:51 AM, RANYC said:

Construction fencing is up at the site of the soon to be constructed Moxy.  I swear, every time a surface parking lot gets fenced off for conversion to some vertical structure, an angel gets its wings.

Nothing more satisfying than seeing all these surface parking lots go away. So, so many have been replaced by actual development in Uptown, it is truly awesome to see. This Moxy is a great one as it's in one of the spots that surface parking still extends its tendrils deep into the core of Uptown. 

That said we still have several more lots to take care of, especially in the 1st and 2nd Wards. I really want to see us replace them with low or mid-rise development, at least we can get some use out of them in quick projects. They can always be further replaced with high-rises in the far future if needed.

[CLT Development]

On 10/22/2022 at 9:16 AM, Matthew.Brendan said:

The CTC needs to be dis-aggregated to smaller cluster nodes around Mecklenburg and run higher frequencies between those nodes. The fact that that (the city? cats?) leadership dreamt up this absolutely ridiculous "solution" of burying the CTC in place demonstrates how utterly out of touch they are with the inefficiencies and outright failings of the transit model as it exists today. Literally nothing will change, just now the buses are underground? I mean honestly it blows my mind that this is even being seriously considered as some sort of solution? What does it solve? At what cost?

I dunno seems like a no brainer to me. What's the point? The point is to activate the ground floor of the building with uses that generate revenue to offset the operating costs of the facility.

Edited October 24, 2022 by CLT Development

[RANYC]

 

32 minutes ago, CLT Development said:

I dunno seems like a no brainer to me. What's the point? The point is to activate the ground floor of the building with uses that generate revenue to offset the operating costs of the facility.

I don’t know if burial is a “no-brainer,” and not sure it’s “absolutely ridiculous” either.  I haven’t even seen a full report on costs to taxpayers of burial yet.  I do wish debates and the language used could be a bit more dispassionate, however.  

Edited October 24, 2022 by RANYC

[RANYC]

[Hushpuppy321]

Looks like they’ll be significant construction activity going on here by the years end.  Going to be weird to see that for this area since it’s been awhile for any construction in the area.  Last work nearby was the Epicenter Dual-Hotels 3+ years ago and the Hotel on the other side of the Spectrum Center.

[KJHburg]

Saw this Moxy site for the first time today.  Boy is something needed in this area and also the first shots I have taken of the relocated Midnight Diner on the same block with some closeups. 

[DMann]

I like that Moxy is not taking down that tree! (for now)

[JRCLT]

I like that Moxy is not taking down that tree! (for now)

I think it may be trimmed if it doesn’t get cut down.

[stw52]

Nothing “vertical” yet but work is happening


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[Hushpuppy321]

At this point they may not be going vertical until well into the Summer (July/August).  Just glad it’s finally moving forward.  By the time this is done at the end of 2024 we could have the rumblings of some construction activity at the CTC?

[DJ8hep]

Passed by the site on the tour. It looks like midnight diner is getting more comfortable in its new spot!

[KJHburg]

here is what the Moxy will look like basically from the first photo above as it faces more of Brevard but on the corner with 4th 

[CharlotteWkndBuzz]

Sorry for the window glare but here’s an aerial view of that whole block. Can see the section the Moxy will take up. I can’t imagine those other buildings lasting too much longer (innervision and something else) esp if the entertainment district/ctc revamp kicks off.  Very interesting location for the diner too. Hard to predict how long term that location will be. 

[RANYC]

I really I wish I could see a rendering of the diner’s final plans.  It’s set back quite a ways from Trade.  Is the set back for some sort of pedestrian friendly patio, or for outdoor dining?  I can be confident it’s not for front door parking, yes?

[Matthew.Brendan]

Certainly an interesting collection of blocks. (approx 1/3 surface parking)

Edited February 22, 2023 by Matthew.Brendan

[KJHburg]

8 hours ago, RANYC said:

I really I wish I could see a rendering of the diner’s final plans.  It’s set back quite a ways from Trade.  Is the set back for some sort of pedestrian friendly patio, or for outdoor dining?  I can be confident it’s not for front door parking, yes?

I heard front door parking 

[RANYC]

42 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

I heard front door parking 

NOOOOOOoooooooooo

 

[KJHburg]

15 minutes ago, RANYC said:

NOOOOOOoooooooooo

 

that is what I was told by a Charlotte Urbanist group member on the walking tour when we walked by the site.  

[RANYC]

On 2/22/2023 at 7:42 PM, KJHburg said:

I heard front door parking 

Took a look at the new Midnight Diner construction site today and am pleased to report that front-door parking is not accurate.  Instead, along Trade Street, there is a widened brick paver sidewalk and newly laid concrete platforms for what appears to be outdoor patio dining.

[j-man]

This thread is labeled 20 stories…I’m just noticing that. Is it really? Or 13?

[Nathan2]

On 2/22/2023 at 7:42 PM, KJHburg said:

I heard front door parking 

How could the City even allow that in the center of the city???