Harlowe, 908 Division, 16 stories, 180', 300 units, 411 car garage, Greystar Development

[nashvylle]

On 10/7/2021 at 11:27 AM, andywildman said:

I know this isn't an original thought, but man this building turned out really nice - shows that big boxes can be pretty. (Looking at you, Haven at the Gulch...)

If Haven's EIFS/Stucco was the same or similar color scheme as The Harlowe, it would honestly look 10x better. 

[VSRJ]

I guess I'm in the minority but that black just isn't doing it for me — both the contrast of the black/red and the material itself.

[smeagolsfree]

All of the stucco makes me wonder if it had anything to do with this bill that is up for third reading Tuesday…..Seems as if Stucco would pretty much would be banned downtown if I am reading this right.

File #:

BL2021-869

Name:

Type:

Bill (Ordinance)

Status:

Third Reading

File created:

8/26/2021

In control:

Metropolitan Council

On agenda:

10/19/2021

Final action:

Title:

An ordinance to amend Title 17 of the Metropolitan Code of Laws, the Zoning Ordinance of the Metropolitan Government of Nashville and Davidson County, to refine the urban design standards within Chapter 17.37, Downtown Code, relating to permitted fa?ade materials, all of which is described herein (Proposal No. 2021Z-007TX-001). THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE REQUIRES CERTAIN MATERIALS TO BE RESTRICTED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF BUILDINGS.

Sponsors:

Freddie OConnell

Attachments:

1. Substitute BL2021-869

• History (9)
• Text

title

An ordinance to amend Title 17 of the Metropolitan Code of Laws, the Zoning Ordinance of the Metropolitan Government of Nashville and Davidson County, to refine the urban design standards within Chapter 17.37, Downtown Code, relating to permitted façade materials, all of which is described herein (Proposal No. 2021Z-007TX-001). THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE REQUIRES CERTAIN MATERIALS TO BE RESTRICTED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF BUILDINGS.

 

body

WHEREAS, The Council of The Metropolitan Government of Nashville and Davidson County adopted the Downtown Code (DTC) on February 2, 2010; and

WHEREAS, The Metropolitan Government recognizes the importance of updating, clarifying, and refining the Downtown Code (DTC) standards to encourage high quality, sustainable urban development; and

WHEREAS, the DTC standards provide opportunities for businesses to thrive, while enhancing the character of Downtown through mixed-use development, housing choices, and commercial and entertainment opportunities; and

WHEREAS, the refinement of the DTC standards will continue to ensure a quality urban experience for the citizens and businesses of Metropolitan Nashville and Davidson County; and

WHEREAS, The DTC requires updates from time-to-time as downtown continues to grow and evolve as a neighborhood.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ENACTED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE METROPOLITAN GOVERNMENT OF NASHVILLE AND DAVIDSON COUNTY:

Section 1:                      That Chapter 17.37 of the Metropolitan Code is hereby amended by adding a new section entitled “Materials” prior to the “Auto-oriented canopies and awnings” section on page 68 of DTC as follows:

Materials

•                     All façade materials, exclusive of clear fenestration, shall be high quality and selected from the following list: masonry, masonry panels, textured metal, metal paneling, precast concrete, precast concrete panel, fiber cement panel, fiber cement siding, spandrel glass (on upper stories only), or materials substantially similar in form and function. This requirement applies to any façade visible from a public street, open space, or interstate in all subdistricts.

•                     Alternative facade materials may be used if determined to be appropriate by the Planning Staff. Any determination made by the Planning Staff may be appealed to the DTC DRC.

•                     Modifications may be permitted insofar as it is determined that these materials are necessary to further an established, overriding policy goal and will not significantly diminish the pedestrian experience.

 

Section 2.                      Be it further enacted, that this ordinance shall take effect immediately after its passage and such change be published in a newspaper of general circulation, the welfare of The Metropolitan Government of Nashville and Davidson County requiring it.

 

 

[markhollin]

Looking east from Overton St.  1/2 block north of Division St:

Looking SE from Gleaves St., just west of Pine St:

Looking SW from 9th Ave. North, 1/2 block north of Old Division St:

[markhollin]

Sidewalk now open along Division St.  Some peeks into interior work.

Looking NW from intersection of Division St. and 10th Ave. South:

Looking north from intersection of Division St. and 10th Ave. South:




Looking east from Division St., 1/2 block east of Overton St:

Main entrance on Divison St:

[Bos2Nash]

The podium brick work and even that extra detailing of metal at the entrance just enhance this building so much. IMO, skill and craft shown here alleviates the dissapointment in not having a truly activated street front. 

My favorite develoment in the city right now.

[markhollin]

Looking west from Carter Vintage Guitars:

[markhollin]

Signage up above main entrance.

Looking north from Division St., 1/4 block west of 10th Ave. South:

[BeaveStirs]

Progress 1/8/22

[markhollin]

Looking NW from Division St. at 10th Ave. South:

Looking west from Carter Guitars parking lot:

Looking NE from intersection of Division St. and Overton St:

[markhollin]

Sign up along 10th. Ave. South:

More interior shots thru windows:

[markhollin]

Looking south from 27th floor of The Westin Hotel:

Looking SW from 10th Ave. South, 1/2 block north of Division St:

[go_outside]

Harlowe was evacuated due to concrete cracks in the garage. Via NewsChannel 5:

An apartment building in the Gulch has been evacuated after cracks and damaged concrete was found in the parking garage. Representatives of Harlowe Apartments say the damage occurred due to recent construction at a work site adjacent to the building. 

The building has been evacuated while engineers assess the condition of the structure and access to the parking garage has been closed.

[thenorthchannel]

Greystar was doing blasting next to a building they just finished and it blew out a column.   

[MLBrumby]

20 minutes ago, thenorthchannel said:

Greystar was doing blasting next to a building they just finished and it blew out a column.   

Is that the "diagnosis" of the cracks?  And I assume it's from the construction of the dual brand hotel next door. Or is it some other blasting they're doing? 

[smeagolsfree]

I think it may be a convenient excuse for shoddy construction. Blasting occurs all the time around all of these buildings and is monitored by the state.

It could be the case, but a brand new building????  I am not an engineer, so I will defer to the engineers on the board.  What do you folks think?????

[Baronakim]

36 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

I think it may be a convenient excuse for shoddy construction. Blasting occurs all the time around all of these buildings and is monitored by the state.

It could be the case, but a brand new building????  I am not an engineer, so I will defer to the engineers on the board.  What do you folks think?????

What i have always felt about concrete column and slab constructionhere in Nashville...totally insufficient requirements for seismic performance.  If mere blasting caused this, even with allegations of shoddy construction, that says a lot about how these buildings will perform in a large quake.  All the steel construction like the Amazon towers should be fine, but I question whether many structures  can avoild pancaking here in Nashville in a big event.  I am pleased that one of the WORST (TPAC) will likely soon be demolished.   I would be interested to see any studies on tall, slender towers like Prime or Alcove.  Stell towers have harmonic sway that protects from structural collapse, I am not aware that ridgid frame concrete towers perform similarly.  This IMO is not limited to tower as structural design codes have changed over the past several decades.  Older buildings that were compliant when built, may no longer be expected to perform well even when designed by competent engineers and architects.  A great deal of seismic knowledge based on shape, height  and other factors have made many existing older buildings performance questionable IMO.

 

[smeagolsfree]

4 hours ago, Baronakim said:

What i have always felt about concrete column and slab construction here in Nashville...totally insufficient requirements for seismic performance.  If mere blasting caused this, even with allegations of shoddy construction, that says a lot about how these buildings will perform in a large quake.

Those were my very first thoughts. Why should concrete support columns crack during a little bit of blasting in a seismic zone. I back to shoddy construction or a bad batch of concrete. Something is rotten here and I think the engineers may figure it out and it will not be good news for Greystar.

[go_outside]

4 hours ago, Baronakim said:

What i have always felt about concrete column and slab constructionhere in Nashville...totally insufficient requirements for seismic performance.  If mere blasting caused this, even with allegations of shoddy construction, that says a lot about how these buildings will perform in a large quake.

Our seismic requirements aren't particularly high AFAIK, so wind—rather than seismic—is typically the controlling factor in Nashville.

It will be interesting to hear what happened here.

[Baronakim]

1 hour ago, go_outside said:

Our seismic requirements aren't particularly high AFAIK, so wind—rather than seismic—is typically the controlling factor in Nashville.

It will be interesting to hear what happened here.

Sorry but while the seeismic REQUIREMENTS are not high, but from my studies over the past five decades, IMO they are dangerously inadequate.  I have conferred  over the years with a top seimologist at Vanderbilt and also the heads of TEMA nad FEMA here in Tennessee and they agreed with the inadequacies.  Regretably these standards are legislatively controlled and do not  recognize conditions which are now 40 to 50 years MORE stressed than they were when I first started my practice as an architect.  It has now been over 200 years since the New Madrid movement on the southern end of the Reelfoot Rift, but MUCH longer since the northern end up through the Wabash River into Illinois and Indiana.  There lies our biggest threat to Nashville.  I definitely do not believe  that people today understand the gravity of the forces involved.  The New Madrid quakes were devastating more from liquification than from the actual forces in the bedrock.  Here in Nashville, the settlers wer knocked off their feet and could not stand for over a couple of minutes.  Only stone chimneys were collapsed for the most part and the interlocking log construction of small log cabins was adequate to allow movement.  Not so today.  On top of many structural systems that may perform questionably, there is the fact that all seismic studies for the gravity dams on our rivers were done back in the 1940s and 50s,  Virtually all of these werecalculated at much lower pool levels than the resevoirs are currently maintained. which endangers the earthen dikes adjacent to the concrete dams.  A quake of similar magnitude could have significant and immediate breaches, especially upstream of Nashville.  Do not place a great deal of faith in  government standards  we have today.

[colemangaines]

13 minutes ago, Baronakim said:

Sorry but while the seeismic REQUIREMENTS are not high, but from my studies over the past five decades, IMO they are dangerously inadequate.  I have conferred  over the years with a top seimologist at Vanderbilt and also the heads of TEMA nad FEMA here in Tennessee and they agreed with the inadequacies.  Regretably these standards are legislatively controlled and do not  recognize conditions which are now 40 to 50 years MORE stressed than they were when I first started my practice as an architect.  It has now been over 200 years since the New Madrid movement on the southern end of the Reelfoot Rift, but MUCH longer since the northern end up through the Wabash River into Illinois and Indiana.  There lies our biggest threat to Nashville.  I definitely do not believe  that people today understand the gravity of the forces involved.  The New Madrid quakes were devastating more from liquification than from the actual forces in the bedrock.  Here in Nashville, the settlers wer knocked off their feet and could not stand for over a couple of minutes.  Only stone chimneys were collapsed for the most part and the interlocking log construction of small log cabins was adequate to allow movement.  Not so today.  On top of many structural systems that may perform questionably, there is the fact that all seismic studies for the gravity dams on our rivers were done back in the 1940s and 50s,  Virtually all of these werecalculated at much lower pool levels than the resevoirs are currently maintained. which endangers the earthen dikes adjacent to the concrete dams.  A quake of similar magnitude could have significant and immediate breaches, especially upstream of Nashville.  Do not place a great deal of faith in  government standards  we have today.

Oh man. I already have to make an effort to not stress about the Wolf Creek, Dale Hollow, Center Hill, Cordell Hull, Old Hickory, or Percy Priest Dams failing, now there's this to think about too. Not to sound like an alarmist but we really seem overdue for something serious.

[Auntie Yock]

The big one is coming, gotta be ready for it.

[timmay143]

Next time can they aim the blasting towards tHe HaVen???

[nashville born]

[andywildman]

1 hour ago, nashville born said:

They ever follow up on the structural issues?