LOCAL and Florida Politics

[jrs2]

16 hours ago, JFW657 said:

While the faithful Republicans elect felons (Trump & Scott to name a couple) to public office. 

On that issue, see: Obama & Clinton (both of them).

Edited November 20, 2018 by jrs2

[JFW657]

39 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

On that issue, see: Obama & Clinton (both of them).

Nonense. (re: both of them)

[Dale]

Felons have the right to vote now in Florida. Here’s hoping that Rick Scott votes right wing early and often!

[JFW657]

Scott doesn't need to vote multiple times. 

He just tampers with the statewide voting mechanism to suppress the voting rights of those who are most likely to vote for Democrats.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article209235744.html

[jrs2]

7 hours ago, JFW657 said:

Nonense. (re: both of them)

Oh, of course; they're all squeaky clean choir boys and girls...

6 hours ago, Dale said:

Felons have the right to vote now in Florida. Here’s hoping that Rick Scott votes right wing early and often!

felons will be too busy burglarizing peoples' houses on election day who they know are at the polls voting.

[Dale]

6 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

Oh, of course; they're all squeaky clean choir boys and girls...

felons will be too busy burglarizing peoples' houses on election day who they know are at the polls voting.

True, it’s one thing to imagine they’re going to be faithful Democrats and another to actually get them to vote.

[jrs2]

9 minutes ago, Dale said:

True, it’s one thing to imagine they’re going to be faithful Democrats and another to actually get them to vote.

Dems push the paradigm that they're the party of inclusion, but you look at their checkered history and it's a history of using groups to get votes while keeping them disenfranchised so they can be assured of votes.  Otherwise, they don't have the constituency needed.

[spenser1058]

OC's not alone - the Hillsborough County Commission (Tampa) is also switching to Democratic control for the first time in almost 15 years. Interestingly, transportation is a huge priority for them.

Meanwhile, the blue wave continues to sweep Florida's urban areas.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/democrat-controlled-hillsborough-commission-sets-sights-on-transportation-and-stopping-sprawl-20181120/

(Via Tampa Bay Times)

[Dale]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

Dems push the paradigm that they're the party of inclusion, but you look at their checkered history and it's a history of using groups to get votes while keeping them disenfranchised so they can be assured of votes.  Otherwise, they don't have the constituency needed.

They raised identity politics to an art form and were aghast when it bit them in the butt in the visage of Trump.

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

Oh, of course; they're all squeaky clean choir boys and girls...

felons will be too busy burglarizing peoples' houses on election day who they know are at the polls voting.

Compared to Trump and Scott, yes. Clinton and Obama ARE squeaky clean choir boys and girls. 

If you have any evidence or credible allegations that either one of them ran companies that defrauded the govt out of billions of dollars (as Scott did) or engaged in shady real estate deals with Russian govt owned banks or set up sham corporations to avoid paying tens of millions in taxes (as Trump did), or any other major criminal activity that rises to that level, then by all means share it with us.

Otherwise, that tired old " ...but...but... they do it too!!!!" spiel is just the same old lame r/w talking points.

As for felons on voting day, not all felons are violent or have committed property crimes. Many felonies are drug related or financial. And honestly, if a couple of felons like Trump and Scott, who only got away with their crimes because they're wealthy enough to afford teams of high priced lawyers, can occupy high public office, why shouldn't regular old everyday felons at least be able to vote for or against them after they've paid their debt?

Only fair.

And BTW, Florida is not the only state who allows it. We are actually late to get on board.

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

Dems push the paradigm that they're the party of inclusion, but you look at their checkered history and it's a history of using groups to get votes while keeping them disenfranchised so they can be assured of votes.  Otherwise, they don't have the constituency needed.

 

2 minutes ago, Dale said:

They raised identity politics to an art form and were aghast when it bit them in the butt in the visage of Trum

I've dealt with enough conservatives over the years to know that the only arguments one ever gets out of them are the same stale right-wing, Limbaugh-esque talking points that every other right-winger spouts and they never vary or change. Any given right-winger will at any given time, say the exact same things, nearly verbatim, that some other right-winger on some other forum said at some other point in time.

Totally programmed robots.

[Dale]

5 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

 

I've dealt with enough conservatives over the years to know that the only arguments one ever gets out of them are the same stale right-wing, Limbaugh-esque talking points that every other right-winger spouts and they never vary or change. Any given right-winger will at any given time, say the exact same things, nearly verbatim, that some other right-winger on some other forum said at some other point in time.

Totally programmed robots.

Like “Trump and Scott are felons!” isn’t predigested tractarianism.

[JFW657]

28 minutes ago, Dale said:

Like “Trump and Scott are felons!” isn’t predigested tractarianism.

No, it isn't.

It's an almost certainly true statement that is backed up by very strong and credible evidence.

"Hillary's emails!!!!" on the other hand, is exactly what you described.

[spenser1058]

2 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

No, it isn't.

It's an almost certainly true statement that is backed up by very strong and credible evidence.

"Hillary's emails!!!!" on the other hand, is exactly what you described.

BENGHAZI!!!!!

Edited November 21, 2018 by spenser1058

[Dale]

6 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

No, it isn't.

It's an almost certainly true statement that is backed up by very strong and credible evidence.

"Hillary's emails!!!!" on the other hand, is exactly what you described.

This is your catechism. You practice it in front of a mirror every night.

[JFW657]

42 minutes ago, Dale said:

This is your catechism. You practice it in front of a mirror every night.

Whatever.

As long as conservatives are proud of themselves for putting criminals in charge of our govt after calling themselves the party of laws and morality all those years.

That's the important thing. 

[prahaboheme]

8 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

Whatever.

As long as conservatives are proud of themselves for putting criminals in charge of our govt after calling themselves the party of laws and morality all those years.

That's the important thing. 

Trump is taking the Republican Party into the abyss - I say let him.  It resulted in a blue wave of wider margins than the Tea Party wave (which caused this dumpster fire of a GOP a decade ago).

 

[spenser1058]

11 minutes ago, prahaboheme said:

Trump is taking the Republican Party into the abyss - I say let him.  It resulted in a blue wave of wider margins than the Tea Party wave (which caused this dumpster fire of a GOP a decade ago).

 

Heck, even Utah (!) has joined in. Republican Mia Love conceded today to Democrat Ben McAdams. For what it's worth, even Mitt Romney is more moderate than Orrin Hatch (who Mitt's replacing.) Of course, Genghis Khan was more moderate than Orrin Hatch.

 

Edited November 21, 2018 by spenser1058

[prahaboheme]

1 minute ago, spenser1058 said:

Heck, even Utah (!) has joined in. Republican Mia Love conceded today to Democrat Ben McAdams. For what it's worth, even Mitt Romney is more moderate than Orrin Hatch (who Mitt's replacing.

 

The “modern” Republican Party has no place for a moderate conservative like Romney, who governed MA (although knew he couldn’t get re-elected and bounced) in a generally bi-partisan manner.  

[JFW657]

13 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

Heck, even Utah (!) has joined in. Republican Mia Love conceded today to Democrat Ben McAdams. For what it's worth, even Mitt Romney is more moderate than Orrin Hatch (who Mitt's replacing.) Of course, Genghis Khan was more moderate than Orrin Hatch.

Interestingly enough, Orrin Hatch and Ted Kennedy were the two main co-sponsors of a bill in the late 80's that banned the use of polygraph testing in pre-employment screening. Go figure.

[spenser1058]

12 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

Interestingly enough, Orrin Hatch and Ted Kennedy were the two main co-sponsors of a bill in the late 80's that banned the use of polygraph testing in pre-employment screening. Go figure.

Good point. Orrin  was actually a thoughtful legislator at one point but seems to have strayed down the same scary path as Lindsey Graham.

[jrs2]

14 hours ago, JFW657 said:

 

I've dealt with enough conservatives over the years to know that the only arguments one ever gets out of them are the same stale right-wing, Limbaugh-esque talking points that every other right-winger spouts and they never vary or change. Any given right-winger will at any given time, say the exact same things, nearly verbatim, that some other right-winger on some other forum said at some other point in time.

Totally programmed robots.

Believing in a stance and saying why, is one thing; supporting a stance when the ultimate goal is not what's being presented is something else.

Malcom X said it right, and I paraphrase:  The difference between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives tell you what they're about, but liberals are more "deceitful and hypocritical" about it.  See the following link:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=malcom+x+on+liberals&view=detail&mid=38B85B55C2F03D3BB5A538B85B55C2F03D3BB5A5&FORM=VIRE

But here's a great segment where he completely slays "liberals": liberals are like the fox to the sheep...

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=malcom+x+on+liberals&view=detail&mid=4152526FFC5EBFF8CC004152526FFC5EBFF8CC00&FORM=VIRE

I'll let Malcom do the talking for me.

 

[Dale]

According to the latest Gallup poll, illegal immigration has soared to American’s keenest concern. Yet, here is where the Democrats are going to plant their flag and die.

[spenser1058]

Hank in the politics room? Is this a sign of the Apocalypse?

[JFW657]

3 hours ago, jrs2 said:

Believing in a stance and saying why, is one thing; supporting a stance when the ultimate goal is not what's being presented is something else.

Malcom X said it right, and I paraphrase:  The difference between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives tell you what they're about, but liberals are more "deceitful and hypocritical" about it.  See the following link:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=malcom+x+on+liberals&view=detail&mid=38B85B55C2F03D3BB5A538B85B55C2F03D3BB5A5&FORM=VIRE

But here's a great segment where he completely slays "liberals": liberals are like the fox to the sheep...

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=malcom+x+on+liberals&view=detail&mid=4152526FFC5EBFF8CC004152526FFC5EBFF8CC00&FORM=VIRE

I'll let Malcom do the talking for me.

Well, I suppose those who cannot articulate their position themselves will resort to using generalized quotes from others who aren't even around anymore.

If conservatives (supposedly) "tell you what they're about", then why do they have to rely on the words of someone else from over fifty years ago, to tell us what they're about today?

Besides, we all know what conservatives are about. Cutting taxes for corporations and the wealthy, while gutting regulations meant to protect the public from the consequences of corporate greed. All of which requires forcing regular working and middle class citizens to make do with less and less, while the wealthy continue to amass more and more and more.

Worse yet, in their ruthless, hard-nosed, end-justifies-the-means quest to cement their grip on ultimate power and crush any and all future opposition, they are willing to use the laws and the Constitution as a door mat by enacting voter suppression laws that put unnecessary burdens on Americans who vote Democrat.

One glaring example took place this year in North Dakota. Several thousand native Americans on reservations were denied the right to vote because the Republicans in charge of the state's voting system changed the rules to require a street address be shown on their ID. This was done with the full knowledge, that on the reservations where they live, many people have traditionally used P.O. boxes as their address because there are no street addresses. Native Americans in ND voted overwhelmingly for the Democrat candidate.

In Georgia, eligible voters didn’t show up on the registration rolls or were purged by the state. Thousands of Georgians had their registrations put on hold and weren’t sure if they’d be able to vote. Some voters were wrongly flagged as non-citizens; others had their ballots rejected because poll workers told them they had the wrong ID. Hundreds of polling places were shuttered before the election, and other precincts had four-hour lines. Absentee ballots were rejected because of signature mismatches or other minor errors. All this while the Republican candidate was also the state's election supervisor.

The same types of things happened in other red States, too.

Republicans have well earned their reputation for being cravenly underhanded and dishonest. 

 

Edited November 21, 2018 by JFW657